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Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9)

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Post#241 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:09 am

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Cutter wrote:I have never before said what I am about to say.

I am turning against Jeff Hornacek as coach.

I'm right there with you. I've been a fan of Jeff but his rotations are unacceptable. I'll be the 100th person to say it.. keif shouldn't be playing a **** minute.


I honestly cannot believe that there is any chance Kieff would be playing if it wasn't an order. But he really didn't need to be in there at the end.

Regardless of all that, we almost always look like a decent team for 3 qtrs, but in the 4th, we fold. To me, that's more on the players than the coach. Rotations could certainly improve, but why are the rotations working for 3 1/2 quarters? These guys just have ZERO clutch factor. The ONE guy who had some, hates being in Phx and doesn't give a crap.

I want to say we should have had Booker, Telly, etc in there at the end (and I think we should have) but I also can back up and realize they typically hit huge shots against scrubs in non crucial times. But nonetheless, I think at this point, Horny just needs to tell Bledsoe to give it up to an open Booker or possibly Knight for the last shot. This dribble down the clock thing playing Kobe is really making me not like Bledsoe. I DESPISE that style of play. And I can say for a fact there is no coach out there that says "hey, don't involve your teammates, but dribble it down and then take a shot" unless you are up by one, it is a qtr and not end of game, etc.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#242 » by bigfoot » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:10 am

MrMiyagi wrote:I think our roster is fine, but I will say that Hornacek might need to go. I think it's time. I don't think he's a bad coach, but whatever he's saying doesn't seem to translate on the court. Thibs is still out there, right? Why not give him a call.


I've always had Horny's back on the forum but enough is enough. Kief should not be on the floor period. If Horny can't see that then he needs to go. I'm also frustrated we are not see Len develop. He is a fifth round pick who played 15 minutes tonight. That just doesn't work.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#243 » by Grots » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:10 am

MrMiyagi wrote:I think our roster is fine, but I will say that Hornacek might need to go. I think it's time. I don't think he's a bad coach, but whatever he's saying doesn't seem to translate on the court. Thibs is still out there, right? Why not give him a call.


Problem with Thibs is I think he wants that SVG, Jason Kidd role where he's a coach with GM duties.

Has Nash said he doesn't want to be a coach? Though even assuming he does, it'd be hard to pry him away from that cushy Warriors gig.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#244 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:12 am

|llsT oNe wrote:Any chance you guys are just trying to tank?

I can't understand how Warren or Leuer (in tonight's case) get so hot, and then inexplicably play fewer minutes than guys doing much worse?

That's our suspicion too. Otherwise it makes no sense.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#245 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:12 am

Saberestar wrote:I would trade for Rubio. He is the player that can make around 10 assists and he provides good defense. He clearly is a good creator and our medical staff can be good for him too. He would be amazing with Booker and Warren on the wings.


Great player that can fill the stat sheets but unfortunately he doesn't fit our system. I don't want to watch a pg struggle to score Suns aren't all about that we need a pg that can shoot but also distribute the rock and I don't think Bledsoe's that type of player. He looks way more to score and for the most part our ball movement stalls and I'm not a huge fan of iso ball.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#246 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:13 am

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MrMiyagi wrote:I think our roster is fine, but I will say that Hornacek might need to go. I think it's time. I don't think he's a bad coach, but whatever he's saying doesn't seem to translate on the court. Thibs is still out there, right? Why not give him a call.


Problem with Thibs is I think he wants that SVG, Jason Kidd role where he's a coach with GM duties.

Has Nash said he doesn't want to be a coach? Though even assuming he does, it'd be hard to pry him away from that cushy Warriors gig.

Well, McD and Thibs were a part of those Celtics teams, don't know what their relationship was, but I'm hoping it was good. Luke Walton might want a shot a head coaching position after the season ends, but I'm not sure he wants to compete against his former team.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#247 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:13 am

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Cutter wrote:Maybe McD is close to sealing the deal on a trade and told Horny to play Kieff.

To make it obvious that he sucks? "Bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off."


I agree with you, but it would probably be more in the sense that they don't want to make it look too much like he is so much of an outcast you simply don't want him on your team. If they bench him, that is what happens.

I honestly don't know what is going on, but I trust McD about as much as Dragic did. The thing is, I think he's smart young exec, but he lacks a little wisdom in certain situations. That usually comes with time. Hopefully. Right now he is like that cocky young college kid about ready to enter the real world.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#248 » by thamadkant » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:14 am

JellyRolling wrote:Porn heels all wounds.



Could be a recommended routine post suns games. PSA: Get Porn hub ready around 5 minutes before end of game for Suns fans.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#249 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:15 am

I just hope Ryan McD is here to stay for a long time. He's not to blame in any of us. But does need to get rid of Jeff.


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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#250 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:16 am

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JellyRolling wrote:Porn heels all wounds.



Could be a recommended routine post suns games. PSA: Get Porn hub ready around 5 minutes before end of game for Suns fans.


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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#251 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:20 am

I'll take a break from making game threads since we aren't winning. I might have a worst record than the Milwaukee Bucks. YUCK
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#252 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:21 am

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MrMiyagi wrote:I think our roster is fine, but I will say that Hornacek might need to go. I think it's time. I don't think he's a bad coach, but whatever he's saying doesn't seem to translate on the court. Thibs is still out there, right? Why not give him a call.


Problem with Thibs is I think he wants that SVG, Jason Kidd role where he's a coach with GM duties.

Has Nash said he doesn't want to be a coach? Though even assuming he does, it'd be hard to pry him away from that cushy Warriors gig.

Well, McD and Thibs were a part of those Celtics teams, don't know what their relationship was, but I'm hoping it was good. Luke Walton might want a shot a head coaching position after the season ends, but I'm not sure he wants to compete against his former team.


I already posted about why I'm not sure Walton wouldn't even want the job...Kerr and Gentry left on bad terms with Sarver....he has worked with both....sure he's heard what Sarver is like to work for...he is now part of a possibly and probably historic team. He's a Cali guy that couldn't resist going to UA (understandable)...so the big question is....does he want a head coaching job bad enough this early? Does he think he is REALLY ready for a team that is not coming off a championship? I imagine if he came to coach this squad, things would end VERY badly. I wouldn't be opposed to trying it. Thibs. No, not interested.

You know who would probably be one of the better fits to coach this team, who has coached the team before and I thought wasn't the best coach for the team then? Skiles. He is no nonsense, and that young Orlando team is really starting to blossom. I mean he took Oladipo out of the starting unit. He would be more hard nosed with these guys.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#253 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:21 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I just hope Ryan McD is here to stay for a long time. He's not to blame in any of us. But does need to get rid of Jeff.


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The guy doesn't sit back and wait too long. I'm expecting a move this month to shakeup this roster somehow. A coaching change is necessary at this point.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#254 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:23 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I just hope Ryan McD is here to stay for a long time. He's not to blame in any of us. But does need to get rid of Jeff.


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Yeah, he certainly creates situations that make our best players REAL happy.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#255 » by Sunsss » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:23 am

In case you're wondering... We led by 9 in Brooklyn, 16 in Detroit and 10 today. Yes, in the 4th quarter.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#256 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:24 am

Bwgood, I want Porter to get another chance he's filled with unlimited amount of talents that he didn't display in Phoenix.






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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#257 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:25 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:I just hope Ryan McD is here to stay for a long time. He's not to blame in any of us. But does need to get rid of Jeff.


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Yeah, he certainly creates situations that make our best players REAL happy.


Yeah didn't mean to say he's not to blame in any of it but he has done a good enough job to stay. He's not perfect and has made mistakes but overall I like his mindset.


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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#258 » by Grots » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:25 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I just hope Ryan McD is here to stay for a long time. He's not to blame in any of us. But does need to get rid of Jeff.


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I hope McD stays too, but the Kieff thing is a big blunder he should have seen coming. Twins in general are like this, but especially the Morrii have a ridiculous closeness and wouldn't be OK with one being screwed over on a moments notice. He should have traded both of them at the same time or neither.

Kieff would have been our third best player. Now we might not even get anything decent for him.
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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#259 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:26 am

It wasn't too long ago we all thought keeping Keef was the right thing to do. Now that we look back, it's not the right move. I think he gets a pass on that. Just my opinion.


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Re: Game 20: Phoenix Suns (8-11) @ Washington Wizards (7-9) 

Post#260 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:26 am

Would be cool if Paul Westphaul wanted to coach our team. Would you guys welcome him with open arms or does he need Jerry Colongelo around him to make it work?

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