Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Unless a steal deal had to be made I would be patient with Beal.

I'd fire Wittman before shipping Beal.

I'd pursue attaining an upgrade at PF via trade while keeping Beal if possible. He and Porter would shine if the Wizards had a Lamarcus Aldridge type PF. Dudley doesn't rebound particularly well and he's not really a PF.

Even a healthy Drew Gooden might help.

[LyricalRico]

Unless a steal deal had to be made I would be patient with Beal.

I'd fire Wittman before shipping Beal.

I agree with the second sentence wholeheartedly.

The problem with patience, though, is that it's tough to be patient with a guy who is expecting a max contract next summer. If Beal had another year left on his rookie deal then absolutely you keep him to see if he turns the corner. But committing $100M+ to guy we hope becomes worth it at some point in the future is a different story.

[nate33]

Unless a steal deal had to be made I would be patient with Beal.

I'd fire Wittman before shipping Beal.

Seems reasonable to me.

[LyricalRico]

Beal to the Clippers for Redick+picks? We maintain our outside shooting, and Redick is signed cheaply for next year. Would have to be at least 2 unprotected firsts. The 2016 pick would be low, but the 2018 pick could be high if they can't hold onto Paul and Griffin (or Beal, for that matter). Not saying I'd do it, just stirring the pot.

[gambitx777]

I wonder if we could some how steal Covington away from the 76er he would be a great stretch 4 for us. Andrew Nicholson would be a good target to go after too. Bobby Portis is not getting any minutes either, nor will he for a while. It might be worth a call to see if a 2017 and or 2019 unprotected first could steal him away. I would also call boston, and see if they would take an 2017 or 2018 unprotected first and some seconds, and dudley, for Olynic and Zeller. Zeller has fallen out of favor and they don't give Kelly a ton of minutes from night to night either. They would both be pretty decent here, we need a back up center and Kelly can be out stretch 4.

[tontoz]

Randy isn't getting fired. That would be like admitting it was a mistake to rehire him and we know that isn't happening.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beal to the Clippers for Redick+picks? We maintain our outside shooting, and Redick is signed cheaply for next year. Would have to be at least 2 unprotected firsts. The 2016 pick would be low, but the 2018 pick could be high if they can't hold onto Paul and Griffin (or Beal, for that matter). Not saying I'd do it, just stirring the pot.

Deal!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wonder if we could some how steal Covington away from the 76er he would be a great stretch 4 for us. Andrew Nicholson would be a good target to go after too. Bobby Portis is not getting any minutes either, nor will he for a while. It might be worth a call to see if a 2017 and or 2019 unprotected first could steal him away. I would also call boston, and see if they would take an 2017 or 2018 unprotected first and some seconds, and dudley, for Olynic and Zeller. Zeller has fallen out of favor and they don't give Kelly a ton of minutes from night to night either. They would both be pretty decent here, we need a back up center and Kelly can be out stretch 4.

I love all 5 players you're suggesting.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Randy isn't getting fired. That would be like admitting it was a mistake to rehire him and we know that isn't happening.

He shouldn't be fired IMO unless the team tunes him out, the playoffs are out of reach, and it's clear he's one lame duck coach who will not be given another contract.

That and/or if a new GM is named and he/she wants their own coach. (Female GM?)

My gripe against Wittman reminds me of the one thing that infuriated me about EJ. Eddie didn't utilize prime Brendan Haywood fairly IMO. Randy seems to hate Blair IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade for Kanter?

[gambitx777]

I wonder if we could some how steal Covington away from the 76er he would be a great stretch 4 for us. Andrew Nicholson would be a good target to go after too. Bobby Portis is not getting any minutes either, nor will he for a while. It might be worth a call to see if a 2017 and or 2019 unprotected first could steal him away. I would also call boston, and see if they would take an 2017 or 2018 unprotected first and some seconds, and dudley, for Olynic and Zeller. Zeller has fallen out of favor and they don't give Kelly a ton of minutes from night to night either. They would both be pretty decent here, we need a back up center and Kelly can be out stretch 4.

I love all 5 players you're suggesting.

Yeah any of those guys would really help the team and the style of play that we are trying to use! I would go after Covington first because the 76ers are idiots. Then I'd call Boston because of all of those I mentioned they would be the easiest to deal with and the players are the most expendable. Nicholson would be next since, hes playing well and Orlando has no reason to trade him other than the fact that he might walk on them. Portis was just drafted and its not all that common to pull another teams recent draft pick away from them, So he would be last.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Washington needs an athletic PF or a young stretch PF. The Lakers need a C who is much more mobile than Roy Hibbert.

How about this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pfcgxra

Dejuan Blair, Garrett Temple, 1st Round pick for Ryan Kelly and Larry Nance Jr?

Do we have to give up a 1st round pick? How about just Blair for Kelly and be done with it?

It's not going to end well for Blair in DC.

Yes, I'd trade Blair for Kelly. Sure, why not?

That was posted a week or two back...

Blair played 10 minutes against Phoenix.

The more Randy Wittman lets Blair do what Blair does on the court; the better the guy is going to play.

He always has been a baller.

[sportscrazy]

If Durant signs a 1 + 1 deal this off-season with OKC giving him the option to be a free agent in 2017, which of the 3 options is most likely for Washington?

1. Totally rebuild - Trade John Wall, Marcin Gortat, etc. for as many picks and prospects as possible.

2. Sign as many productive players as possible - Sign Nicolas Batum, Ryan Anderson and others around your current core.

3. Keep the Durant or bust philosophy - Preserve cap space again until 2017 in hopes Durant would sign there.

[nate33]

If Durant signs a 1 + 1 deal this off-season with OKC giving him the option to be a free agent in 2017, which of the 3 options is most likely for Washington?

1. Totally rebuild - Trade John Wall, Marcin Gortat, etc. for as many picks and prospects as possible.

2. Sign as many productive players as possible - Sign Nicolas Batum, Ryan Anderson and others around your current core.

3. Keep the Durant or bust philosophy - Preserve cap space again until 2017 in hopes Durant would sign there.

Maintaining a Durant or bust stance would be extremely difficult. Basically, the Wizards could resign Beal but then would have to refrain from signing any other long term contracts. It would be real hard to convince any decent players to play for us next year without giving them long term money. Maybe we keep Nene and overpay Sessions to convince him to sign for 1 year, but there would be no other help. Dudley and Anderson would definitely leave. And I just don't see how we can attract free agents in 2017 with the same exact roster when the rest of the East is improving. With Gortat and Nene in decline, and our depth at wing weakened, we might miss the playoffs.

If Durant resigns in OKC, I'd prefer that we go in a different direction. I'd look to sign some combination of Whiteside, Motiejunas, or Terrence Jones. Abandoning KD2DC means our championship window gets pushed back from now to 2-5 years down the road. Gortat will be in decline by then and so we need young bigs who can play.

[Dat2U]

My new worst nightmare is this Plan B of overpaying for Terrence Jones. I don't think he's a starting PF on a contender. I don't trust his defense or his ability to stay healthy. I think he's got a habit of disappearing for long stretches at the worst possible times and I see him as a guy who's success depends on the matchup. Against similar undersized PFs, he's okay. Against the better PFs he's generally been over-matched. Either way he's struggled to maintain his intensity on the defensive side of the ball throughout his career.

[Dark Faze]

Whiteside is getting maxed. Guys like Millsap and Horford as well most likely. Like I've said--anyone you'd actually want is almost certainly going to be retained by the team with their bird rights.

So you've got two options if KD doesn't sign. If he signs a 1 year deal, then I'd highly suggest grinding your teeth and giving it another go. The way things are trending right now I can't imagine OKC continuing after 1 or 2 more failed post seasons.

Which means another mediocre year. Do some overpays to get decent replacements for the guys you lose--get them on one year deals. Hibbert as a backup C with a chance to become the future C if he can show something, JJ Hickson, Al Jeff, etc. Maybe Porter emerges in combination with your free agent pieces being good, maybe Oubre becomes a rotation guy. Just do enough to scrape by again.

After that, if still no Durant then the next target has to be Cousins who would likely be traded by the deadline of his final season in Sac town barring a miracle.

[Illmatic12]

Whiteside is getting maxed. Guys like Millsap and Horford as well most likely. Like I've said--anyone you'd actually want is almost certainly going to be retained by the team with their bird rights.

So you've got two options if KD doesn't sign. If he signs a 1 year deal, then I'd highly suggest grinding your teeth and giving it another go. The way things are trending right now I can't imagine OKC continuing after 1 or 2 more failed post seasons.

Which means another mediocre year. Do some overpays to get decent replacements for the guys you lose--get them on one year deals. Hibbert as a backup C with a chance to become the future C if he can show something, JJ Hickson, Al Jeff, etc. Maybe Porter emerges in combination with your free agent pieces being good, maybe Oubre becomes a rotation guy. Just do enough to scrape by again.

After that, if still no Durant then the next target has to be Cousins who would likely be traded by the deadline of his final season in Sac town barring a miracle.

FYI the Heat don't actually have Whiteside's bird rights, because they didn't draft him. They also have to extend Wade, who's probably going to demand a 'Kobe'-contract from the Heat organization for his years of service.

I think Riley could re-sign both with some maneuvering, but keeping Whiteside isn't going to be straightforward process for them.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Whiteside is getting maxed. Guys like Millsap and Horford as well most likely. Like I've said--anyone you'd actually want is almost certainly going to be retained by the team with their bird rights.

So you've got two options if KD doesn't sign. If he signs a 1 year deal, then I'd highly suggest grinding your teeth and giving it another go. The way things are trending right now I can't imagine OKC continuing after 1 or 2 more failed post seasons.

Which means another mediocre year. Do some overpays to get decent replacements for the guys you lose--get them on one year deals. Hibbert as a backup C with a chance to become the future C if he can show something, JJ Hickson, Al Jeff, etc. Maybe Porter emerges in combination with your free agent pieces being good, maybe Oubre becomes a rotation guy. Just do enough to scrape by again.

After that, if still no Durant then the next target has to be Cousins who would likely be traded by the deadline of his final season in Sac town barring a miracle.

FYI the Heat don't actually have Whiteside's bird rights, because they didn't draft him. They also have to extend Wade, who's probably going to demand a 'Kobe'-contract from the Heat organization for his years of service.

I think Riley could re-sign both with some maneuvering, but keeping Whiteside isn't going to be straightforward process for them.

Choosing between the two would be an absolute no-brainer decision for the Heat. Whiteside has a future; Wade has a great past. That said, I agree that they'll be able to keep both if they want. My guess is they'll try and land a premiere free agent and keep Whiteside.

[pcbothwel]

If Durant resigns in OKC, I'd prefer that we go in a different direction. I'd look to sign some combination of Whiteside, Motiejunas, or Terrence Jones. Abandoning KD2DC means our championship window gets pushed back from now to 2-5 years down the road. Gortat will be in decline by then and so we need young bigs who can play.

Agreed for the most part.
Personally, I Sign Whiteside and resign Beal would be the 1st step.
- Sign Sato to 3/10-12M contract
- Then I trade Gortat for an expiring + an asset.
- Bring back Blair and Hump (Only 6M total) for expiring depth.
- Draft a Big man to backup Whiteside

The addition of Whiteside and Sato along with further development from Wall, Beal, Porter, and Oubre allows for you to make a strong run in 2016/17.

Then in 2017, you have the cap room to go after Ibaka or Mirotic as your final piece to compete:

Wall / Sato
Beal / Sato / Oubre
Porter / Oubre
Ibaka / Vet / 2017 1st
Whiteside / 2016 1st

You then pickup a vet 3rd (Scoring)pg like Brooks, Sessions, Collison, etc. along with a vet big man and Rookie Big (2016 1st).

#KD2WhoGivesaDamn

[queridiculo]

If Whiteside is the plan A free agent and the Wizards somehow convince him to leave the geriatrics in Miami behind, Washington might even be able to pull of a sign and trade involving Gortat.