Official Thread -- Wizards vs Suns (12/4/15)

MDStar · Post #141 » by **MDStar** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 1:21 pm

queridiculo wrote:I have another question, wasn't Beals foul a classic example for the rip-through move that should have been a non-shooting foul?

I had the exact same thought when I watched it.

tontoz · Post #142 » by **tontoz** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 2:11 pm

Wall has been pretty bad most of the season but his 3 point shot has been coming around lately. In the last 3 games he is 8-15 from 3. His 3 pt percentage is up to .338 now on a career high in attempts. May be just a small sample size fluke but he definitely seems like he has come into the season determined to shoot 3s.

He also seems to be playing more with his back to the basket which has been working well.

Now about those turnovers... :banghead:

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #143 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 2:56 pm

tontoz wrote:Wall has been pretty bad most of the season but his 3 point shot has been coming around lately. In the last 3 games he is 8-15 from 3. His 3 pt percentage is up to .338 now on a career high in attempts. May be just a small sample size fluke but he definitely seems like he has come into the season determined to shoot 3s.

He also seems to be playing more with his back to the basket which has been working well.

Now about those turnovers...

Agreed on all fronts. I'm hoping what we're seeing is an incremental evolution. His post up game could be a huge weapon and his threes do look better.

Next step? Maybe working on finishing through contact. I'd love to see him develop a Gilbert, Sessions esque knack for throwing his body up against defenders in the restricted area.

A lot of his turnovers lately have been from him getting close to the rim, getting up in the air with no intent to shoot and having to bail out with a pass to the perimeter. Other teams' wings are reading that and cheating on it.

AFM · Post #144 » by **AFM** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:29 pm

MDStar wrote:
queridiculo wrote:I have another question, wasn't Beals foul a classic example for the rip-through move that should have been a non-shooting foul?

I had the exact same thought when I watched it.

The technical difference is Beal was touching Knight as Knight was facing him. That's technically already a foul as you're only allowed to put your hands on a player if he's posting you up.
The rip thru move they tried to get rid of is when you have your hands out to the side in the classic defensive position and the player with the ball just rips his shooting motion through your outstretched arm.

That's my understanding anyway

stevemcqueen1 · Post #145 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:34 pm

You're allowed to touch players who are faced up so long as you don't influence their movement by redirecting them or stopping them. Beal wasn't doing that, the player was standing still. I thought it was a rip-through move and they blew the call. Could have been extremely impactful if they'd made their FTs.

Post #146 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 4:28 pm

tontoz wrote:Wall has been pretty bad most of the season but his 3 point shot has been coming around lately. In the last 3 games he is 8-15 from 3. His 3 pt percentage is up to .338 now on a career high in attempts. May be just a small sample size fluke but he definitely seems like he has come into the season determined to shoot 3s.

He also seems to be playing more with his back to the basket which has been working well.

Now about those turnovers...

I think Wall has been working on his 3 for several years now. He's made some progress, but he might have plateaued. I question if he's going to get all that much better at it. At least he has been in that 30-35% range for the past 3 seasons now. That's not good enough for it to be a goal of the offense, but it's good enough for him to shoot the shot when open, which is all you need to maintain spacing. He's 37.5% on catch and shoot 3's.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #147 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 5:13 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/beal-scores-34-points-wizards-rally-beat-suns-024949195--nba.html

The Washington Wizards coach Randy Wittman had to improvise without four of his tallest players. Wittman used three guards and sometimes four in trying to keep up with the Suns. ''I told them if it was a 6-foot-5 and under league, we'd be pretty good,'' Wittman said.

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J-Ves · Post #148 » by **J-Ves** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 7:24 pm

tontoz wrote:Wall has been pretty bad most of the season but his 3 point shot has been coming around lately. In the last 3 games he is 8-15 from 3. His 3 pt percentage is up to .338 now on a career high in attempts. May be just a small sample size fluke but he definitely seems like he has come into the season determined to shoot 3s.

He also seems to be playing more with his back to the basket which has been working well.

Now about those turnovers...

His shot selection on the year is much improved. He is taking more threes and less long twos. His shots at the rim are down but not my much. He is making his 3s recently, so there is hope that aspect of his game is better, but I'd honestly take 33% for the season. He is also getting to the line a little more than last year.

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AFM · Post #149 » by **AFM** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 9:04 pm

Pine, you gonna make a new game thread?
Seriously man, get it together.

payitforward · Post #150 » by **payitforward** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 9:09 pm

I wasn't able to watch the game, but it's on my DVR -- maybe I should just watch the 4th quarter?

From the box score, Blair seems to have had a very effective 10 minutes. How any coach could start Ryan Hollins over Dejuan Blair I cannot understand. He seems to have been ok, however.

I guess I'll find out about these things when I watch the game, huh?

Post #151 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 9:31 pm

AFM wrote:Pine, you gonna make a new game thread?
Seriously man, get it together.

If I had and Photoshop skills, I'd redo your avy so your dog was biting you.

:nod:

stevemcqueen1 · Post #152 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 11:47 pm

payitforward wrote:I wasn't able to watch the game, but it's on my DVR -- maybe I should just watch the 4th quarter?

From the box score, Blair seems to have had a very effective 10 minutes. How any coach could start Ryan Hollins over Dejuan Blair I cannot understand. He seems to have been ok, however.

I guess I'll find out about these things when I watch the game, huh?

Watch the whole thing. It was strangely entertaining. Like an AAU game. Just up and down fastbreaks from both teams, zero rim protection, and almost every rebound a scrappy, uncertain affair.

Watch the third quarter for Beal. He was spectacular.

Blair was ok. Made a beautiful pass on an Otto Porter cut that was a memorable moment. Other than that, I don't remember him doing a whole bunch.

Neither he nor Hollins really played down the stretch. Otto played center. I can't believe that actually worked.

dobrojim · Post #153 » by **dobrojim** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:13 am

montestewart wrote:
closg00 wrote:The question becomes, will Randy's head explode from having to play Blair?

What if Blair has a 20/20 game? That'll raise some questions. Go DeJuan!

Blair hurts himself by picking up fouls at a prodigious rate.

dobrojim · Post #154 » by **dobrojim** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:17 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
pineappleheadindc wrote:Hollins starting at the 5 over Blair. CCJ is irritated.

@thebeach

"F" Randy

When Blair comes off the bench IMO he's about 8 to 10 times more likely to pick up ticky tack fouls.

Refs bias and his flow/awkwardness and second unit issues.

F Randy, from a(nother) old hater(myself). I mostly really like Coach Wittman BTW

Sorry. I think you're making excuses. Witt needs to know he can play him without
him picking up fouls.

dobrojim · Post #155 » by **dobrojim** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:19 am

nate33 wrote:This Jon Leuer guy is pretty good. Very quick on his feet. He's facing up a much smaller Otto Porter and taking him off the dribble.

He might be a guy to target as a stretch four with whatever cap money we have left after going after Durant.

I'm trying to figure out why he didn't play more.

dobrojim · Post #156 » by **dobrojim** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:21 am

queridiculo wrote:Sessions layup drill.

And he was actually making them. Pretty good player when he plays like that.
Not so much at other times.

dobrojim · Post #157 » by **dobrojim** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:24 am

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:John gets a lot of turnovers by doing that stupid skip pass thing. You get all the way to the rim...**** take the shot or try to draw a foul . Don't try to throw the ball across your body.

I've said for a long time he jumps to pass too much. Yes over his career he's often
been able to make it work. But it's still a fundamentally unsound play that no
coach would teach a player to do.

The league is definitely playing him to pass right now rather than to shoot.
I guess scouts stopped listening to that jerkoff Cowherd <JK>.

dobrojim · Post #158 » by **dobrojim** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:29 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Dejuan Blair played ten minutes ... and the Wizards won.

Shut The Front Door

Blair missed 2 FTs ... and the Wizards won.

Randy Wittman coached a game, played Dejuan Blair ... and the Wizards won.

Gomer Pyle would say "Golleee" or "Shazaam".

or Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #159 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 8:56 am

dobrojim wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
pineappleheadindc wrote:Hollins starting at the 5 over Blair. CCJ is irritated.

@thebeach

"F" Randy

When Blair comes off the bench IMO he's about 8 to 10 times more likely to pick up ticky tack fouls.

Refs bias and his flow/awkwardness and second unit issues.

F Randy, from a(nother) old hater(myself). I mostly really like Coach Wittman BTW

Sorry. I think you're making excuses. Witt needs to know he can play him without
him picking up fouls.

Me: become defensive? refute? use stats over time? counterattack?

Jim, I bet I know Blair's strengths and weaknesses better than his coach.

I say a coach might not have personnel to match his own scheme. Instead of forcing Blair to foul as a C he could play Blair with another C. Tailor the system and give a damn about people.

payitforward · Post #160 » by **payitforward** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:22 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
payitforward wrote:I wasn't able to watch the game, but it's on my DVR -- maybe I should just watch the 4th quarter?

From the box score, Blair seems to have had a very effective 10 minutes. How any coach could start Ryan Hollins over Dejuan Blair I cannot understand. He seems to have been ok, however.

I guess I'll find out about these things when I watch the game, huh?

Watch the whole thing. It was strangely entertaining. Like an AAU game. Just up and down fastbreaks from both teams, zero rim protection, and almost every rebound a scrappy, uncertain affair.

Watch the third quarter for Beal. He was spectacular.

Blair was ok. Made a beautiful pass on an Otto Porter cut that was a memorable moment. Other than that, I don't remember him doing a whole bunch.

Neither he nor Hollins really played down the stretch. Otto played center. I can't believe that actually worked.

Will do -- and all praise to fast forward!

As to Blair, in 10 minutes he had 4 offensive rebounds, was 2-2 from the floor, and had 2 assists. Hard to be more of a contributor than that! He did miss both his FTAs and pick up 2 fouls as well, so not perfect. Pretty close, tho.

Who will prevail?