2015/16 Offseason: More active than Shakira's hips

Neddy · Post #201 » by **Neddy** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 8:33 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Is Ozuna a quality defensive OF?

Why not Yelich?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yelicch01.shtml

Look at that guy's contract.
I'd be willing to do a blockbuster centered around him and Fernandez.
and by blockbuster, I'm talking about having no doubts about exchanging our top prospects.

Yelich has no pop tho. and you are right, for controllable, team friendly contracts of young players will require some serious prospects in return. I would rather deal our young controllable contracts for big time talents knowing Jeff Loria is a one cheap scummy bastard who cheats his own fan base all the time. that's pretty much all I am counting on for this deal, so yeah Go Jeff Loria the east coast Donald Sterling. make it happen.

Quake Griffin · Post #202 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 8:38 pm

I got twisted in that web of the deal you proposed. I'd need it laid out perfectly cuz I can't tell who we'd be getting back in that deal…only know who we'd be sending out.

oh and don't look now.
Kershaw can opt out in 2018 (age 30).
SMFH. 7 years at 250 coming up.

Quake Griffin · Post #203 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 9:23 pm

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-dodgers-zack-greinke-cole-hamels-hot-stove-clayton-kershaw-ken-rosenthal-120515

Ken Rosenthal article saying the Dodgers made a mistake not trading Hamels at the deadline

Cliffs:
- Rangers ended up only paying $13 million annually for him.
- Dodgers didn't want to part with Seager, Urias or Joc.
- Dodgers have spent a lot of money internationally, they can afford to let some prospects go
- Missing out on Hamels is the failure, not missing out on Greinke.

I disagree whole heartedly but I wanna see what you guys have to say on it.

Neddy · Post #204 » by **Neddy** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 10:28 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:I got twisted in that web of the deal you proposed. I'd need it laid out perfectly cuz I can't tell who we'd be getting back in that deal…only know who we'd be sending out.

oh and don't look now.
Kershaw can opt out in 2018 (age 30).
SMFH. 7 years at 250 coming up.

dodgers send Puig and Peraza to the Mets.
dodgers send SVS to the Marlins

the Mets send one of their starters, say Matt Harvey to the Marlins

the Marlins send GianCarlo Stanton and Jose Fernandez to the dodgers

sounds ridiculous and it is, unless the owner of the Marlins is named Jeff Loria the cheap Basta-----rd.
Marlins would do it so Loria doesn't have to pay for Stanton's massive deal and gets a team controlled cheap Ace in Harvey (or any of the Harvery-deGrom-Thor-Matz-Wheeler) while getting another cheap but power bat in SVS. so essentially for Marlins, they are replacing cheap ace of Fernandez to dump salary of Stanton and replace them with Matt Harvey(or again, any of the five mentioned on mets rotation) and SVS (not stanton but can be a power bat in the middle for a team like the Marlins at a substantial discount). either us or the Mets may also have to pitch in a couple of second tier prospects to sweeten the deal.

the Mets would do this because Wheeler is coming back, and they have a glut of stud pitching. out of that group, it appears to me deGrom is the next Ace, Thor and Matz make up the next two and Wheeler can fill back somewhere between them or after them. this leaves the most controversial, tabloid talked about player late season, who is a Boras player with the most service time, in Matt Harvey... who still have plenty of time for the Marlins to use until FA. Mets in return, fills their two most needed spots in their lineup, a 2B and a corner OF with incredibly high ceiling. Puig can hit in Cespedes' spot in the lineup, Granderson moves back, Peraza can lead off.

we do it obviously Fernandez and Stanton are >>>>> than Puig + Perazan + SVS and it appears we will get back either Howie or Chase back, possibly both. so we can send a young middle infielder and our 4th OF along with the problem child and bring back a Greinke replacement with a power bat in the middle that is best in the game.

Neddy · Post #205 » by **Neddy** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 10:48 pm

obviously a complete hypothetical scenario and probably highly unlikely since Stanton is still not making into 20 million or more for another couple of years, but if consummated, our rotation and line up would look something like this

Kershaw - Fernandez - Anderson - Wood - Magic Mike to start the season and Ryu and McCarthy replacing inevitably injured Anderson and whichever the pitcher performing worse between Wood and Mike. our playoff rotation could have kershaw/Fernandez/Ryu/McCarthy.

Howie
Seager
Stanton
Gonzo
Ethier
Turner
Joc
Grandal

that's a long lineup

Neddy · Post #206 » by **Neddy** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 11:38 pm

every fan site or blogs seem to be fine but every media outlet and their pundits are calling for panic. many are even calling this last season to be Greinke's best performance in his career. I beg the pardon. he was the luckiest pitcher in the league and his career last year. his BABIP was incredibly low. but just last year, his BABIP was nearly a .100 higher and was just as impactful. his 2009 season was the best of his career, with fWAR nearly 9. last season he was just shy of 6. he had his best SO/9, best FIP and xFIP, and HR/9 season in 09. I doubt Zack can ever repeat his .220-ish BABIP ever for the rest of his career.

I am actually very excited to see what Andrew and Farhan has for us this winter meetings. it may not be what I proposed on the above post, but it will be something big and creative. i can't wait. and would not be surprised if we go after Oh or Maeda, or both.

Quake Griffin · Post #207 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:27 am

I liked that deal. I think we'd have to send out a little more to bring those two in but then again, you said it's Jeff Loria.
Austin Barnes to cover 2nd? ****?

Any thoughts on Iwakuma?
He's 34 so I don't want him signed that long.
But no significant injury history. A shoulder injury while he was still overseas. Strained a lat muscle last year and missed significant time. Still came back to throw a no hitter.

Will cost us a draft pick.

Neddy · Post #208 » by **Neddy** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:48 am

Quake Griffin wrote:I liked that deal. I think we'd have to send out a little more to bring those two in but then again, you said it's Jeff Loria.
Austin Barnes to cover 2nd? ****?

Any thoughts on Iwakuma?
He's 34 so I don't want him signed that long.
But no significant injury history. A shoulder injury while he was still overseas. Strained a lat muscle last year and missed significant time. Still came back to throw a no hitter.

Will cost us a draft pick.

Kuma is not a power pitcher. he is a 88mph fastball / splitter type so he would age better than most. living in northwest, I have got to see a ton of Kuma. he is a good pitcher, but...

but yeah I don't want to give up a compensation pick. at this point in their respective careers, I would think Kenta is better than Kuma.

Quake Griffin · Post #209 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 7:49 pm

Looks like Utley is back.
hopefully it's more utility and ****/ Barnes beats him out for the position in ST.

Here's a question.
You think Howie can get it back on the defensive side of the baseball? or do you think he's finished?
Hes younger than Kinsler. He's younger than B. Phillips. He's Pedroia's age. Mark Ellis played a solid 2B at an older age. He's a really good hitter.

Quake Griffin · Post #210 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 8:01 pm

O'Day an Oriole.

Saw that coming.
How did we let the As get Ryan Madson?

Either we're missing out on all these guys or the rumors just quite simply aren't true.
The A's? really?

Quake Griffin · Post #211 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 8:53 pm

Team Stream app sent me a notification saying the Dodgers have called the Marlins seeking Fernandez but the Marlins have no intention on trading him.

Maybe just maybe this FO is more comfortable doing this via trade.
Any who can this Raider game come and go….because after it I can start getting giddy for the winter meetings.

Neddy · Post #212 » by **Neddy** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 8:54 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Looks like Utley is back.
hopefully it's more utility and ****/ Barnes beats him out for the position in ST.

Here's a question.
You think Howie can get it back on the defensive side of the baseball? or do you think he's finished?
Hes younger than Kinsler. He's younger than B. Phillips. He's Pedroia's age. Mark Ellis played a solid 2B at an older age. He's a really good hitter.

I think he will be primarily used as a left handed pinch hitter and Seager's mentor. if we don't bring back Kendrick, I would still think the 2nd base job will go to **** or Peraza before it is handed over to Chase for a full time gig. IF he is our everyday second baseman, he better be batting in the 8th hole.

Ranma · Post #213 » by **Ranma** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 10:16 pm

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Quake Griffin · Post #214 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 11:10 pm

I like Aroldis.
We don't need to flip him to bring in SP.

We have enough as is to acquire another SP piece.

Neddy · Post #215 » by **Neddy** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 11:28 pm

what are we giving up for him?

but damn with Jensen and Chapman we can make every game a 7 inning affair. with JP and Hatcher we could potentially make our games decided by 6th inning.

Ranma · Post #216 » by **Ranma** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 11:39 pm

I would absolutely love to have Aroldis Chapman on our team, but I'm concerned with the cost to acquire him and the possibility of losing him after next season. With both Jansen and Chapman set for free agency after the upcoming season, will we be able to keep both? Or either since the front office is known for not wanting to pay big money for relievers in the past?

However, it seems like the organization wants to incorporate more of the Kansas City Royals' roster construction and approach, which I am all for. I suspect the front office has always been aware of the bullpen's importance, but now they've placed a priority on it and maybe have identified exceptions to their rule towards relief pitchers.

The ardent pursuit of Darren O'Day with the most money offered to him seems to indicate as much and Chapman is certainly the exception to most any rule. If we can keep both Jansen and Chapman by being willing to pay both big-money, this would be a dream scenario to have that 1-2 punch in our bullpen. If we have to choose one over the other, I think Chapman is the better closer. We just can't lose both and I am very much against just renting Chapman for only 1 season if we're going to give up a lot of good quality prospects for him.

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Neddy · Post #218 » by **Neddy** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 1:44 am

Ranma wrote:I would absolutely love to have Aroldis Chapman on our team, but I'm concerned with the cost to acquire him and the possibility of losing him after next season. With both Jansen and Chapman set for free agency after the upcoming season, will we be able to keep both? Or either since the front office is known for not wanting to pay big money for relievers in the past?

However, it seems like the organization wants to incorporate more of the Kansas City Royals' roster construction and approach, which I am all for. I suspect the front office has always been aware of the bullpen's importance, but now they've placed a priority on it and maybe have identified exceptions to their rule towards relief pitchers.

The ardent pursuit of Darren O'Day with the most money offered to him seems to indicate as much and Chapman is certainly the exception to most any rule. If we can keep both Jansen and Chapman by being willing to pay both big-money, this would be a dream scenario to have that 1-2 punch in our bullpen. If we have to choose one over the other, I think Chapman is the better closer. We just can't lose both and I am very much against just renting Chapman for only 1 season if we're going to give up a lot of good quality prospects for him.

well in 2 years, we are off the hook from Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier's contracts. I certainly think we can afford both Chapman and Jensen. the real question will be on them, to see if they both be willing to share the closer role.

Quake Griffin · Post #219 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:25 am

I doubt we'd give up a bunch of good quality prospects for Chapman.

At worst I think we'll see DeLeon or Holmes leave for him but not both. I'd imagine Cincinnati is probably asking for more…maybe some throw ins and we're probably like, "it's a one year rental holmes. fall back."

I don't buy the KC model thing. The teams that win have good bullpens. Build a good bullpen. It's not a KC thing just because theirs was incredible.

Neddy · Post #220 » by **Neddy** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 3:37 am

Chris Anderson and Zach Lee hopefully. they get a major league ready guy in Lee and just a year away for Anderson and neither one is in our plan for the future.