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Post#341 » by Net Sentence » Sun Dec 6, 2015 2:20 pm

As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.
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Post#342 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Dec 6, 2015 2:26 pm

jbeachboy wrote:im still pissed we didnt pay gerald green and chose teletovic over him and yet the whole nets organization was okay with that.

Eh...Green is good for highlights but he wouldn't have changed much for the Nets as a team.
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Post#343 » by jbeachboy » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:50 pm

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jbeachboy wrote:im still pissed we didnt pay gerald green and chose teletovic over him and yet the whole nets organization was okay with that.

Eh...Green is good for highlights but he wouldn't have changed much for the Nets as a team.



i still rather have him over teletovic and the garbage we have now.
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Post#344 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 6, 2015 4:04 pm

Net Sentence wrote:As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.


I don't see a big FA signing unless they are a 30 year old player getting maxed if their current team doesn't want to pay them. A trade is a possibility since we'd be able to absorb salary but there's like zero candidates out there for a trade

If we can walk away this summer with Batum or Barnes and adding more depth in spots of need with sensible deals I would consider that a step in the right direction.
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Post#345 » by Net Sentence » Sun Dec 6, 2015 4:30 pm

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Net Sentence wrote:As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.


I don't see a big FA signing unless they are a 30 year old player getting maxed if their current team doesn't want to pay them. A trade is a possibility since we'd be able to absorb salary but there's like zero candidates out there for a trade

If we can walk away this summer with Batum or Barnes and adding more depth in spots of need with sensible deals I would consider that a step in the right direction.


All free agents are long shots but we get a shot this year. The last time we had a shot, we were in the drivers seat with Dwight until he screwed himself. Durant is obviously the big fish this year or next depending on if he opts out. It is a very small chance that we get him but he cant be ruled out completely.

The trade route seems more realistic to me. Without stretching DWill, we wouldnt have as much flexibility to trade for someone. Who knows which star player is made available when the season ends. Perhaps the Clippers make Blake available. Maybe Klay Thompson gets tired of life in Steph's shadow and demands a trade after they repeat. Maybe Love and Lebron have another falling out and the Cavs look to dump him. You never know what can happen. The important thing is that we are in position to make a play if something comes up.
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Post#346 » by jbeachboy » Sun Dec 6, 2015 6:24 pm

someone on netsdaily mentioned elliott williams who is leading the d league in scoring while passing and rebounding really well. i hope we can sign him . he also is decent defensively.
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Post#347 » by shakendfries » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:48 pm

Net Sentence wrote:As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.


The question is, are the Nets gonna even be able to attract free agents? The Nets FO probably has one of the worst reputations in the league right now. Fans aren't even sure if Hollins is gonna make it through the season. Then who is going to want to coach the Nets with a GM who has no idea how to build around players (see Iverson, Allen). Which free agent are gonna want to join the Nets besides the coach killing mercenaries that are gonna stop playing hard as soon as the checks come (Williams, Deron).

King did what Rumazov and Porky told him. He made the big move that didn't work out. However, you're giving him way too much credit for moonwalking KG into Thad Young. Let's talk about the fact that the Nets have to play Joe Johnson 40mins a night to have a fighting chance at winning. What about Bogdanovic? Let's talk about the fact that the dude is 26 and can't even beat old man Joe in practice. He is just another euro that hoists up 3s and doesn't defend.

A smart GM understands 2 things:
a. picking pieces that compliment the best player's strengths (remember when Jason Kidd wanted Shaun Livingston?)
b. the concept of SELL HIGH, BUY LOW - let's hear some trade rumors when a player is doing well for a change, instead of using it as a manipulative tactic for players in a slump to make them play even worse, lets give a lot of minutes to players the team wants trade if you don't think they fit with the rest of the roster

The Nets are a hot focking mess right now that doesn't play the game of basketball with any discernible sense of flow. The pieces don't compliment eachother on the court, and in reality, in the history of the franchise, they never have. The roster construction of the Nets from day 1 is the reason Billy King- the person in charge of personnel decisions- should be fired and we should get someone new before he makes it even worse. Rumazov should get the boot too for meddling with personnel decisions and advocating trading picks without protection.
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Post#348 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 6, 2015 11:33 pm

shakendfries wrote:
Net Sentence wrote:As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.


The question is, are the Nets gonna even be able to attract free agents? The Nets FO probably has one of the worst reputations in the league right now. Fans aren't even sure if Hollins is gonna make it through the season. Then who is going to want to coach the Nets with a GM who has no idea how to build around players (see Iverson, Allen). Which free agent are gonna want to join the Nets besides the coach killing mercenaries that are gonna stop playing hard as soon as the checks come (Williams, Deron).

King did what Rumazov and Porky told him. He made the big move that didn't work out. However, you're giving him way too much credit for moonwalking KG into Thad Young. Let's talk about the fact that the Nets have to play Joe Johnson 40mins a night to have a fighting chance at winning. What about Bogdanovic? Let's talk about the fact that the dude is 26 and can't even beat old man Joe in practice. He is just another euro that hoists up 3s and doesn't defend.

A smart GM understands 2 things:
a. picking pieces that compliment the best player's strengths (remember when Jason Kidd wanted Shaun Livingston?)
b. the concept of SELL HIGH, BUY LOW - let's hear some trade rumors when a player is doing well for a change, instead of using it as a manipulative tactic for players in a slump to make them play even worse, lets give a lot of minutes to players the team wants trade if you don't think they fit with the rest of the roster

The Nets are a hot focking mess right now that doesn't play the game of basketball with any discernible sense of flow. The pieces don't compliment eachother on the court, and in reality, in the history of the franchise, they never have. The roster construction of the Nets from day 1 is the reason Billy King- the person in charge of personnel decisions- should be fired and we should get someone new before he makes it even worse. Rumazov should get the boot too for meddling with personnel decisions and advocating trading picks without protection.


I can't argue with any of this.
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Post#349 » by Net Sentence » Mon Dec 7, 2015 1:28 am

shakendfries wrote:
Net Sentence wrote:As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.


The question is, are the Nets gonna even be able to attract free agents? The Nets FO probably has one of the worst reputations in the league right now. Fans aren't even sure if Hollins is gonna make it through the season. Then who is going to want to coach the Nets with a GM who has no idea how to build around players (see Iverson, Allen). Which free agent are gonna want to join the Nets besides the coach killing mercenaries that are gonna stop playing hard as soon as the checks come (Williams, Deron).

King did what Rumazov and Porky told him. He made the big move that didn't work out. However, you're giving him way too much credit for moonwalking KG into Thad Young. Let's talk about the fact that the Nets have to play Joe Johnson 40mins a night to have a fighting chance at winning. What about Bogdanovic? Let's talk about the fact that the dude is 26 and can't even beat old man Joe in practice. He is just another euro that hoists up 3s and doesn't defend.

A smart GM understands 2 things:
a. picking pieces that compliment the best player's strengths (remember when Jason Kidd wanted Shaun Livingston?)
b. the concept of SELL HIGH, BUY LOW - let's hear some trade rumors when a player is doing well for a change, instead of using it as a manipulative tactic for players in a slump to make them play even worse, lets give a lot of minutes to players the team wants trade if you don't think they fit with the rest of the roster

The Nets are a hot focking mess right now that doesn't play the game of basketball with any discernible sense of flow. The pieces don't compliment eachother on the court, and in reality, in the history of the franchise, they never have. The roster construction of the Nets from day 1 is the reason Billy King- the person in charge of personnel decisions- should be fired and we should get someone new before he makes it even worse. Rumazov should get the boot too for meddling with personnel decisions and advocating trading picks without protection.


King made the finals with Iverson. Iverson was perhaps the most difficult player to build around since he was close to 40% usage. Eric Snow, Aarron McKie, George Lynch, Mutumbo, Tyrone Hill. King did a hell of a job finding players who were willing to sacrifice that much offense.

Why wouldnt free agents want to join the Nets? Our front office has been very fair with players and agents. King let Mirza walk despite him being a restricted free agent. King bought out DWill because he was unhappy here and wanted to go back to his home town. That is what gets around the league. Any free agent will realize that most of the guys on the roster currently are unlikely to be here next season so it is irrelevant what happens this year. We arent in NJ anymore. Brooklyn is the 5th largest city in the NBA behind only NY, LA, Chicago and Toronto. Playing in the swamp is what always hurt us in free agency.

Getting Thad was a lot more complicated then you are making it out to be. Trading for a player in the final couple of months of his contract requires a lot of recruiting. Thad was essentially a free agent that King had to recruit. Joe playing 40 minutes a night is irrelevant since the free agent we court will be replacing him. Bogs is regressing but he cost nothing and is on a expiring contract next season. Bogs carried us into the playoffs last season though so his time here is not without worth.

Jason Kidd also wanted Jarrett Jack.
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Post#350 » by Ror1997 » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:20 am

King has an eye for finding talent. The nets just can't develop a player for sh*t. It can't be that hard to teach RHJ and Markel Brown a 3pt shot. These guys both play agressive D, are high flyers, and can play 40+ mins a game of needed. If they could just have a 3 pt shot, we would have good 2 way players who can play shut down wing defense. But RHJ offensive game hasn't developed and neither has Browns. Whatever young talent this team ever has never develop. Only guy on our team we drafted and is good is Brook. Every player we have either sucks or goes elsewhere to develop.
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Post#351 » by jbeachboy » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:27 am

cant wait to nets can send guys to d league to get more playing time and develop. nets need to develop players better. nets need to make trades on december 15th when we can trades guys from summer. start trading these guys now and get rid of garbage we have now.
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Post#352 » by jbeachboy » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:27 am

can king please get solomon hill before pelicans do!
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Post#353 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Dec 7, 2015 3:18 am

Ror1997 wrote:King has an eye for finding talent. The nets just can't develop a player for sh*t. It can't be that hard to teach RHJ and Markel Brown a 3pt shot. These guys both play agressive D, are high flyers, and can play 40+ mins a game of needed. If they could just have a 3 pt shot, we would have good 2 way players who can play shut down wing defense. But RHJ offensive game hasn't developed and neither has Browns. Whatever young talent this team ever has never develop. Only guy on our team we drafted and is good is Brook. Every player we have either sucks or goes elsewhere to develop.


RHJ is a 1st year player. Brown isn't

also playing joe johnson 40 minutes just to shoot sub 30% doesnt help
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Post#354 » by jbeachboy » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:24 pm

hollins is really clueless this year with adjustments and limiting guys who keep slumping.
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Post#355 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Dec 7, 2015 3:51 pm

anyone else bothered that he's running the likes of Lopez n JJ til their knees bleed?

how do you develop Trob, Reed, Karasev, Ellington(more improve than develop) etc....
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Post#356 » by Ror1997 » Mon Dec 7, 2015 5:08 pm

Somebody brought up a great point that Hollins stunned the development of a lot of players in Memphis. Lowry, Mayo, Carrol.
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Post#357 » by jbeachboy » Mon Dec 7, 2015 6:16 pm

i think trob and reed can develop more, they havent got playing time or enough on a quality team especially reed and trob. karasev doesnt have athleticism to be good unless he develops chris mullin like skills. ellington has been in league for 6 years at least and is only good at shooting an open shoot and he is struggling doing that. i think nets need better player development.
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Post#358 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 8, 2015 12:53 am

If Hollins gets fired I don't care (and neither does he, nor do I blame him. This is a mess) but if the Russians fire him as rumored King better be right along with him

That being said regarding rotations...he's **** ed. There isn't much you can do when you have so many F tier ballers on the roster.
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Post#359 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Dec 8, 2015 1:32 am

MrDollarBills wrote:If Hollins gets fired I don't care (and neither does he, nor do I blame him. This is a mess) but if the Russians fire him as rumored King better be right along with him

That being said regarding rotations...he's **** ed. There isn't much you can do when you have so many F tier ballers on the roster.

Yes, the season is lost. Hollins was King's hire anyway. I'll be upset if they fire Hollins but leave Billy in. They'd be missing the forest for the trees. It's all or nothing for me.
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Post#360 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 8, 2015 3:09 pm

Yeah, that would be ridiculous.
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