Manziel's trade value

Post #1 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 9:07 pm

Assumption No. 1: Johnny gets out of the dog house after this weekend, starts for the rest of the year and plays well.

Assumption No. 2: The Browns have a top 3 pick, hire a new GM (for the love of all that is good), and decide to use it on a QB.

What's the highest pick they could get for him this off season if he was on the market?

Celtsfan1980 · Post #2 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 9:34 pm

Jerry Jones throws a second rounder for Johnny. If the Cowboys acquire one of the quarterbacks I'd say a third rounder.

El Turco · Post #3 » by **El Turco** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 10:30 pm

6 rounder at best. not cut for nfl, probably out of the league in two years

Mamba Mentality · Post #4 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:57 am

I wouldn't trade anything higher than a 5th round pick. Really depends how desperate the team is for a qb.

Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:02 pm

El Turco wrote:6 rounder at best. not cut for nfl, probably out of the league in two years

I mean it's his fault that he hasn't really been given a good look, but he hasn't really been given a good look. I think the jury is still out. He threw for 375 yards against the Steelers a couple weeks ago.

El Turco · Post #6 » by **El Turco** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 9:11 pm

lazy comparison but tebow had a 300 yard game too, bad qbs having outlier games are not that out of ordinary especially against bad defenses. i dont think manziel that much better pocket passer than tebow either.

i am fine with giving him more chances to shine but cost of that is not fifth rounder or better for any team out there. maybe except for cowboys who probably cares more about marketing him more than anything.

Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 11:43 pm

El Turco wrote:lazy comparison but tebow had a 300 yard game too, bad qbs having outlier games are not that out of ordinary especially against bad defenses. i dont think manziel that much better pocket passer than tebow either.

i am fine with giving him more chances to shine but cost of that is not fifth rounder or better for any team out there. maybe except for cowboys who probably cares more about marketing him more than anything.

If he plays well, J. Jones will fall in love with him.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #8 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 12:01 am

Wow, really. Just what we need. We have so many need to fill. Plus our cap hit on Romo is 17 or 18 million. We can't do it, we should not do it. McClain, Hardy need to go and we still don't have an RB. Just what we need, a pill popping junkie and drunk. We don't need another thug. Its embarrassing enough for us right now.

Higga · Post #9 » by **Higga** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 5:18 pm

He doesn't have much value. Most teams don't really give up draft picks anymore unless its for slam dunk studs.

Post #10 » by **FNQ** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 5:38 pm

Higga wrote:He doesn't have much value. Most teams don't really give up draft picks anymore unless its for slam dunk studs.

We traded a 5th for Matt Flynn and a 6th for Matt Schaub. Desperate teams, especially ones with new GMs, will always be looking for a "WOW" type move. Trading a late round pick for Manziel and hoping his talent shines through is practically a given.

I can see SF being interested. Maybe Manziel + 1 3 month AA chip for a conditional 5/6/7? IIRC, Baalke usually stocks up on late round picks so parting one with for a potential multi-year QB seems like a worthwhile gamble. Teams like St Louis and Philly should be interested as well.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #11 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:46 pm

Many had Johnny going in the top 5, so it says a lot about his potential. If you trade him for some low pick and he plays well for another team, it may be one of the worst Browns trades ever made. You may as well keep him if you're only getting a fifth or sixth rounder.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #12 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:49 pm

El Turco wrote:lazy comparison but tebow had a 300 yard game too, bad qbs having outlier games are not that out of ordinary especially against bad defenses. i dont think manziel that much better pocket passer than tebow either.

i am fine with giving him more chances to shine but cost of that is not fifth rounder or better for any team out there. maybe except for cowboys who probably cares more about marketing him more than anything.

Played well vs. Cinncinati, Pittsburgh, and some would say Tennessee as well.

El Turco · Post #13 » by **El Turco** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:53 pm

maybe in browns standards

RavenMad31 · Post #14 » by **RavenMad31** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 11:31 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Assumption No. 1: Johnny gets out of the dog house after this weekend, starts for the rest of the year and plays well.

Assumption No. 2: The Browns have a top 3 pick, hire a new GM (for the love of all that is good), and decide to use it on a QB.

What's the highest pick they could get for him this off season if he was on the market?

We are good with Flacco for the next maybe five to seven years, but if I were a team needing a QB and also thought I could convince him to keep his nose clean (big if), I might be more inclined to see if I could get him off the waiver wire. The Browns are actually shooting themselves in the foot (no surprise). This season is a complete loss and the way they have handled him, they are going to be forced to just cut him. The only way they need to get trade value from him is to stop playing disciplinary hard ball and just let the knucklehead play. If he plays badly, you can cut him without the gnawing fear of him succeeding elsewhere. If he plays well, maybe you get somewhere in the neighborhood of a 2nd to 5th rounder for him. Unfortunately, a couple of the other "sucker franchises" such as the Raiders and Redskins likely aren't in a situation to overpay for someone like him.

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 5:50 pm

RavenMad31 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Assumption No. 1: Johnny gets out of the dog house after this weekend, starts for the rest of the year and plays well.

Assumption No. 2: The Browns have a top 3 pick, hire a new GM (for the love of all that is good), and decide to use it on a QB.

What's the highest pick they could get for him this off season if he was on the market?

We are good with Flacco for the next maybe five to seven years, but if I were a team needing a QB and also thought I could convince him to keep his nose clean (big if), I might be more inclined to see if I could get him off the waiver wire. The Browns are actually shooting themselves in the foot (no surprise). This season is a complete loss and the way they have handled him, they are going to be forced to just cut him. The only way they need to get trade value from him is to stop playing disciplinary hard ball and just let the knucklehead play. If he plays badly, you can cut him without the gnawing fear of him succeeding elsewhere. If he plays well, maybe you get somewhere in the neighborhood of a 2nd to 5th rounder for him. Unfortunately, a couple of the other "sucker franchises" such as the Raiders and Redskins likely aren't in a situation to overpay for someone like him.

They're starting him for the rest of the year. If he plays well, some team will trade for him.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #16 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 10:30 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Assumption No. 1: Johnny gets out of the dog house after this weekend, starts for the rest of the year and plays well.

Assumption No. 2: The Browns have a top 3 pick, hire a new GM (for the love of all that is good), and decide to use it on a QB.

What's the highest pick they could get for him this off season if he was on the market?

Hopefully nothing. Manziel's trade value is a picture of him at Justin Beiber's party, in the bathroom with a rolled up $100.00 bill over looking a mirror. :party:

Post #17 » by **SD2042** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 10:57 pm

Manziel is overrated. He has the skills to be a good QB, but until he stops taking party classes from Matt Leinart and become the professional NFL player he needs to be, his future in the NFL will likely evaporate within the next two or three years.

Post #18 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 10:09 pm

El Turco wrote:maybe in browns standards

RavenMad31 · Post #19 » by **RavenMad31** » Wed Dec 9, 2015 4:43 am

jbk1234 wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Assumption No. 1: Johnny gets out of the dog house after this weekend, starts for the rest of the year and plays well.

Assumption No. 2: The Browns have a top 3 pick, hire a new GM (for the love of all that is good), and decide to use it on a QB.

What's the highest pick they could get for him this off season if he was on the market?

We are good with Flacco for the next maybe five to seven years, but if I were a team needing a QB and also thought I could convince him to keep his nose clean (big if), I might be more inclined to see if I could get him off the waiver wire. The Browns are actually shooting themselves in the foot (no surprise). This season is a complete loss and the way they have handled him, they are going to be forced to just cut him. The only way they need to get trade value from him is to stop playing disciplinary hard ball and just let the knucklehead play. If he plays badly, you can cut him without the gnawing fear of him succeeding elsewhere. If he plays well, maybe you get somewhere in the neighborhood of a 2nd to 5th rounder for him. Unfortunately, a couple of the other "sucker franchises" such as the Raiders and Redskins likely aren't in a situation to overpay for someone like him.

They're starting him for the rest of the year. If he plays well, some team will trade for him.

One possibility we haven't discussed is that he plays fairly well, Haslam fires Pettine and Farmer then Manziel goes into next season as the starter. Theoretically, they can use the draft to fill other positions and they will be getting back Josh Gordon if I'm not mistaken. Pretty much anyone under the sun would be a better HC than Pettine or GM than Farmer, so you get upgrades there too. Thus the cycle of hope and crushing despair for Browns fans makes another round.

Post #20 » by **Icness** » Wed Dec 9, 2015 10:24 pm

Johnny won't be back in Cleveland.

If I had to bet I'd put my $$ on Dallas, but don't count out the Chargers to try and groom him to be an eventual successor to Rivers. They looked at him HARD pre-draft