Fun with Stats!!!

Liver_Pooty · Post #421 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:36 am

Reading through this thread. Apples definitely knows his stuff. Educating.

steady · Post #422 » by **steady** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:53 am

fatlever wrote:17 games with Al
104.1 Ortg, 99.8 Drtg

4 games w/out Al
102.0 Ortg, 93.9 Drtg

When I first read this, I thought the comparison might not be fair because the team is so much better now than they were at the start of the season.

Then I remembered who the Hornets have played in the last four games and the comparison started to feel a lot fairer ...

Warriors
Bulls
Pistons
Heat

TinmanZBoy · Post #423 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:59 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Reading through this thread. Apples definitely knows his stuff. Educating.

yeah, apples knows buckets

sidestep · Post #424 » by **sidestep** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:43 am

Observations on Team Efficiency and Player Efficiency with Various Player Combinations:

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/12/10/9886056/observations-through-19-games-on-team-efficiency-and-player

Post #425 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:16 pm

Random notes:

The Hornets are ranked 7th in the league in blocks per game while also allowing the 3rd fewest number of opponent free throws attempted.

We go into a bit of bizarro world in clutch situations. Per stats.nba.com, our defense is studly, only allowing a FG% of 24.7% in clutch situations, by far the best in the league. By contrast, our TS% is only 43.2% in clutch situations, 2nd lowest in the league and only ahead of PHI.

jtsmith · Post #426 » by **jtsmith** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:36 pm

sidestep wrote:Observations on Team Efficiency and Player Efficiency with Various Player Combinations:

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/12/10/9886056/observations-through-19-games-on-team-efficiency-and-player

thanks for linking. That OP (22NN4) posted a few good stats based threads there. good info.

interesting is that when Kemba plays with Lin or with bench, there's poorer play. I think it's because everyone needs to move one up in terms of matchup. they are working harder and going against bigger guys.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #427 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:11 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Random notes:

The Hornets are ranked 7th in the league in blocks per game while also allowing the 3rd fewest number of opponent free throws attempted.

We go into a bit of bizarro world in clutch situations. Per stats.nba.com, our defense is studly, only allowing a FG% of 24.7% in clutch situations, by far the best in the league. By contrast, our TS% is only 43.2% in clutch situations, 2nd lowest in the league and only ahead of PHI.

3rd best ratio in the league here. 3.28 OppFTA/Blk. Only Miami and San Antonio are better.

Detroit is last at 6.5. Semi surprised by that with Drummond.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #428 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:23 am

How each teams offensive and defensive rating has changed from last year until now.

Bottom right is good, top left is bad.

Yit · Post #429 » by **Yit** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:23 am

Updating after Game 22

It's great that the team kept their spirits high from a terrible start and came out winning at the end - that kind of spirit bodes well for our future!

Contribution Points of Players Per Game
Player---G11---G12---G13----G14---G15----G16----G17---G18---G19---G20---G21---G22
KW15----49-----36-----34------49-----20------38-----38-------9-----33----37-----41-----43
JL7-------28-----27-----18------24-----15------23-----24-----22-----26----31------13----30
BR22-----NA-----NA------9------NA----NA------NA-----NA-----23-----NA----UR----UR----UR
NB5-------10-----32-----22-----30------40------33-----28----40-----45-----30------38----32
JL3-------36-----17-----22------25-----36------33-----39----31-----22-----23------32-----27
TD30-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA----NA-----31----NA-----UR-----UR----UR
AH9-------NA----NA----UR-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----UR----NA-----UR-----UR----UR
MW2-------7-----28-----25------21-----31------23-----28-----UR----25------35-----42-----15
PJH19----NA----NA-----NA-----18-----19--------9-----12-----UR------0-----20------19----11
MKG14---NA----NA-----NA-----NA-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----NA----NA------NA----NA
CZ40-----21------8------NA-----22-----30-------29------9------17----35-----39-----21------9
FK44-----12------24----28------22------6-------11-----21-----32-----12-----14-----21-----31
TH50-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA-----UR----42-----UR----UR-----18-----UR
AJ25------29----36-----52------21-----35-------28-----UR----NA-----NA----NA-----NA-----NA
SH00-----47-----34-----16-----UR-----NA------UR------22----35-----38-----27-----15-----19

Averages over 10+games:
KW15 (20Gav) 33 +/- 11
NB5 (20Gav) 32 +/- 10
JL3 (20Gav) - 30 +/- 8
MW2 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
JL7 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
CZ40 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 10

AJ25 (15Gav) - 34 +/- 13
SH00 (15Gav) - 21 +/- 12
FK44 (15Gav) - 19 +/- 7
PJH19 (15Gav) - 15 +/- 7

steady · Post #430 » by **steady** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:41 pm

sidestep wrote:Observations on Team Efficiency and Player Efficiency with Various Player Combinations:

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/12/10/9886056/observations-through-19-games-on-team-efficiency-and-player

I posted the below comment over in the Tandems thread. It's based on this article so posting (slightly amended) here too

Bench in article refers to Cody-Hawes-Lin-Lamb combination

When Batum plays with bench, Hornets get best eFG for both Batum and Lin
Cody and Hawes also shoot their best in this lineup
This lineup also has
-fastest team pace
-highest team offensive rating.
-highest team net rating at 14.3. The next highest team net rating is for bench (with Marvin?) at 13. These are only two lineups with net rating above 10. The next net rating is 2.0 for Lin with starters

Lineup with the team's best defensive rating is when Kemba plays with bench - but Kemba with bench has a net rating of zero - this is caused in part by steep drop off in assisted shots when Kemba plays with bench (65.8% for bench with Marvin, 60% for bench with Batum, and 43.3% for bench with Kemba.) Kemba's shot is best when playing with Lin and starters, or with bench - but bench with Kemba has lowest team shooting percentage.

Bench with Batum has highest team shooting percentage

I am not sure Kemba and bench is as bad as numbers suggest. 19 games is still a pretty small sample size. But even from eye test it is clear Kemba with bench is a work in progress. Even in games Kemba is going nuclear like last night, bench with Kemba can underperform. -2 in six minutes in 4q last night

On other hand bench with Batum has pretty consistently over performed - would be great to see more of this combination

Yit · Post #431 » by **Yit** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:50 am

Updating after Game 23

Contribution Points of Players Per Game
Player---G11---G12---G13----G14---G15----G16----G17---G18---G19---G20---G21---G22---G23
KW15----49-----36-----34------49-----20------38-----38-------9-----33----37-----41-----43-----32
JL7-------28-----27-----18------24-----15------23-----24-----22-----26----31------13----30-----31
BR22-----NA-----NA------9------NA----NA------NA-----NA-----23-----NA----UR----UR----UR----NA
NB5-------10-----32-----22-----30------40------33-----28----40-----45-----30------38----32-----34
JL3-------36-----17-----22------25-----36------33-----39----31-----22-----23------32-----27----34
TD30-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA----NA-----31----NA-----UR-----UR----UR----NA
AH9-------NA----NA----UR-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----UR----NA-----UR-----UR----UR----NA
MW2-------7-----28-----25------21-----31------23-----28-----UR----25------35-----42-----15----12
PJH19----NA----NA-----NA-----18-----19--------9-----12-----UR------0-----20------19----11-----18
MKG14---NA----NA-----NA-----NA-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----NA----NA------NA----NA----NA
CZ40-----21------8------NA-----22-----30-------29------9------17----35-----39-----21------9-----27
FK44-----12------24----28------22------6-------11-----21-----32-----12-----14-----21-----31-----15
TH50-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA-----UR----42-----UR----UR-----18-----UR----NA
AJ25------29----36-----52------21-----35-------28-----UR----NA-----NA----NA-----NA-----NA----NA
SH00-----47-----34-----16-----UR-----NA------UR------22----35-----38-----27-----15-----19-----35

Averages over 10+games:
KW15 (20Gav) 33 +/- 11
NB5 (20Gav) 32 +/- 10
JL3 (20Gav) - 30 +/- 8
MW2 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
JL7 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
CZ40 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 10
SH00 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 12

AJ25 (15Gav) - 34 +/- 13
FK44 (15Gav) - 19 +/- 7
PJH19 (15Gav) - 15 +/- 7

TTNN · Post #432 » by **TTNN** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:00 am

jtsmith wrote:
sidestep wrote:Observations on Team Efficiency and Player Efficiency with Various Player Combinations:

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/12/10/9886056/observations-through-19-games-on-team-efficiency-and-player

thanks for linking. That OP (22NN4) posted a few good stats based threads there. good info.

interesting is that when Kemba plays with Lin or with bench, there's poorer play. I think it's because everyone needs to move one up in terms of matchup. they are working harder and going against bigger guys.

I thought this way too at the beginning, but that's not really the case. Kemba play with the bench had the best team defensive rating there, even though you would think both Kemba and Lin will be undersized at their position. But that group was really very effective defensively.

The problem is the offense. I feel the starters were playing a little bit different style in offense compare to the bench group. but now with AI out of the line up, there should getting smaller difference there. However, starter offense is more focused on Batum and Kemba, and the second group offense is more of a flow, no one is the main focus, thus you see Hawes, Kaminsky, Lin, Lamb all give assists, and it was pretty evenly distributed. Lamb got more touches and get more play called for him since he is the shooter. But everyone got enough touches, and ball moves like crazy. That's the beauty of BF1. Kemba somehow disrupted that flow a little bit, however, that system really helped Kemba to get much better looks, he got more space and more open lane there, therefore, he got much better FG%.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #433 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:18 am

Was just trying out something.

Kemba and Lin's eFG% progression from game to game. Not what it was each game but their season eFG% after each game.

TTNN · Post #434 » by **TTNN** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:13 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Was just trying out something.

Kemba and Lin's eFG% progression from game to game. Not what it was each game but their season eFG% after each game.

hope I could pause it.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #435 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:24 am

TTNN wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:Was just trying out something.

Kemba and Lin's eFG% progression from game to game. Not what it was each game but their season eFG% after each game.

hope I could pause it.

I'm nowhere near tech savvy enough to figure that out. Took me forever to do that and i'm sure I went around my ass to get to my elbow to do it. don't have any fancy programs for that sort of stuff either which would probably help.

sidestep · Post #436 » by **sidestep** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:03 am

@EwingSweatsALot

It looks like the GIF only shows numbers up to about 20 games, instead of 23.

If you open an animated GIF in Photoshop, you can see the individual frames separately, and then save whichever one you want.
The last frame is this: http://i.imgur.com/XUzDP8B.png

I don't think there's much benefit to animating charts like this, but if you still want to, I suggest setting the final frame (which shows all the data) to have a very long duration, so that it stays on the screen longer before the animation cycles back to the beginning.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #437 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:30 pm

sidestep wrote:@EwingSweatsALot

It looks like the GIF only shows numbers up to about 20 games, instead of 23.

If you open an animated GIF in Photoshop, you can see the individual frames separately, and then save whichever one you want.
The last frame is this: http://i.imgur.com/XUzDP8B.png

I don't think there's much benefit to animating charts like this, but if you still want to, I suggest setting the final frame (which shows all the data) to have a very long duration, so that it stays on the screen longer before the animation cycles back to the beginning.

Thanks for the advice. Apparently the gif I had is the entire thing, but when I uploaded it to imgur it only allowed it to run for 5 seconds. I don't know why. I'm Not a tech savy dude.

I'll try photoshop the next time if I want to do any more. It was more of just seeing if I could actually do it more than anything.

I think animated graphs can be useful over a period of time for certain things, shot charts and other stuff, but a singular stat over a long period of time tends to flatten out and shows no purpose.

steady · Post #438 » by **steady** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:00 am

I liked the animation! There was the element of surprise...

The thing I am still trying to wrap my mind around is that the Hornets are fifth in offensive efficiency and sixth in defensive efficiency in the entire League. It might take me until Christmas to really accept numbers like these ...

Yit · Post #439 » by **Yit** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:23 am

Updating after Game 24

Seriously we need to address why the team starts out so cold, it isn't always possible to claw our way back this game being a good example when the opposition simply out-shot our boys......

Contribution Points of Players Per Game
Player---G11---G12---G13----G14---G15----G16----G17---G18---G19---G20---G21---G22---G23---G24
KW15----49-----36-----34------49-----20------38-----38-------9-----33----37-----41-----43-----32----31
JL7-------28-----27-----18------24-----15------23-----24-----22-----26----31------13----30-----31-----18
BR22-----NA-----NA------9------NA----NA------NA-----NA-----23-----NA----UR----UR----UR----NA-----UR
NB5-------10-----32-----22-----30------40------33-----28----40-----45-----30------38----32-----34-----17
JL3-------36-----17-----22------25-----36------33-----39----31-----22-----23------32-----27----34-----44
TD30-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA----NA-----31----NA-----UR-----UR----UR----NA-----UR
AH9-------NA----NA----UR-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----UR----NA-----UR-----UR----UR----NA-----NA
MW2-------7-----28-----25------21-----31------23-----28-----UR----25------35-----42-----15----12-----18
PJH19----NA----NA-----NA-----18-----19--------9-----12-----UR------0-----20------19----11-----18-----32
MKG14---NA----NA-----NA-----NA-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----NA----NA------NA----NA----NA-----NA
CZ40-----21------8------NA-----22-----30-------29------9------17----35-----39-----21------9-----27-----30
FK44-----12------24----28------22------6-------11-----21-----32-----12-----14-----21-----31-----15-----22
TH50-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA-----UR----42-----UR----UR-----18-----UR----NA------2
AJ25------29----36-----52------21-----35-------28-----UR----NA-----NA----NA-----NA-----NA----NA-----NA
SH00-----47-----34-----16-----UR-----NA------UR------22----35-----38-----27-----15-----19-----35------4

Averages over 10+games:
KW15 (20Gav) 33 +/- 11
NB5 (20Gav) 32 +/- 10
JL3 (20Gav) - 30 +/- 8
MW2 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
JL7 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
CZ40 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 10
SH00 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 12

AJ25 (15Gav) - 34 +/- 13
FK44 (15Gav) - 19 +/- 7
PJH19 (15Gav) - 15 +/- 7

Yit · Post #440 » by **Yit** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:15 am

Updating after Game 25

Nice to see the team bouncing back although we shouldn't have gone to OT for this well at least I thought....

Contribution Points of Players Per Game
Player---G11---G12---G13----G14---G15----G16----G17---G18---G19---G20---G21---G22---G23---G24---G25
KW15----49-----36-----34------49-----20------38-----38-------9-----33----37-----41-----43-----32----31-----40
JL7-------28-----27-----18------24-----15------23-----24-----22-----26----31------13----30-----31-----18-----41
BR22-----NA-----NA------9------NA----NA------NA-----NA-----23-----NA----UR----UR----UR----NA-----UR----NA
NB5-------10-----32-----22-----30------40------33-----28----40-----45-----30------38----32-----34-----17----NA
JL3-------36-----17-----22------25-----36------33-----39----31-----22-----23------32-----27----34-----44-----24
TD30-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA----NA-----31----NA-----UR-----UR----UR----NA-----UR---- -1
AH9-------NA----NA----UR-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----UR----NA-----UR-----UR----UR----NA-----NA----NA
MW2-------7-----28-----25------21-----31------23-----28-----UR----25------35-----42-----15----12-----18-----29
PJH19----NA----NA-----NA-----18-----19--------9-----12-----UR------0-----20------19----11-----18-----32-----22
MKG14---NA----NA-----NA-----NA-----NA------NA-----NA-----NA----NA----NA------NA----NA----NA-----NA----NA
CZ40-----21------8------NA-----22-----30-------29------9------17----35-----39-----21------9-----27-----30-----17
FK44-----12------24----28------22------6-------11-----21-----32-----12-----14-----21-----31-----15-----22-----20
TH50-----NA----NA-----UR-----NA-----NA------NA-----UR----42-----UR----UR-----18-----UR----NA------2-----UR
AJ25------29----36-----52------21-----35-------28-----UR----NA-----NA----NA-----NA-----NA----NA-----NA----NA
SH00-----47-----34-----16-----UR-----NA------UR------22----35-----38-----27-----15-----19-----35------4-----27

Averages over 10+games:
KW15 (25Gav) 34 +/- 10
JL7 (25Gav) - 26 +/- 9

NB5 (20Gav) 32 +/- 10
JL3 (20Gav) - 30 +/- 8
MW2 (20Gav) - 26 +/- 8
CZ40 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 10
SH00 (20Gav) - 22 +/- 12
PJH19 (20Gav) - 17 +/- 7

AJ25 (15Gav) - 34 +/- 13
FK44 (15Gav) - 19 +/- 7

I encountered the first negative score in my calculations for Daniels - can anyone tell me was there any positive contributions that he had done for the team during this game?