Magic(12-10) vs. Cavaliers(14-7)

rcklsscognition · Post #461 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:28 am

How can you exclude Fournier from the mix of changes possible? Since the Dipo switch I think he's averaging:

26.3MPG, .392FG% 2.6RPG 1.4APG 0.1SPG and just 10.9PPG.

Again, plug one hole you open another on a ship with 20 holes and only 10 fingers.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #462 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:30 am

SOUL wrote:Draymond wouldn't play on this roster because he "isnt a great shooter" according to people.

Sure he would. No way he'd be as effective but sure he would. On his current team he doesn't need to shoot a lick. He could hustle and get garbage points all night long. On this team he'd help build a new Amway.

rcklsscognition · Post #463 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:33 am

Well, some context here, Green played 50 minutes tonight in a 2OT and shot 40% to get those points. Tobias gave up after missing 5 and played only 17. He would have scored 10 or so had he been given 50 minutes. Green is averaging 13/7 with a usage of 18.4 in 34MPG.

Jiwol · Post #464 » by **Jiwol** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:37 am

Still don't want to hand out dunce caps?

Post #465 » by **SOUL** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:40 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Well, some context here, Green played 50 minutes tonight in a 2OT and shot 40% to get those points. Tobias gave up after missing 5 and played only 17. He would have scored 10 or so had he been given 50 minutes. Green is averaging 13/7 with a usage of 18.4 in 34MPG.

Not about points with him... he had a 5x5 game, no matter the minutes that's super rare. That's my point.

rcklsscognition · Post #466 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:43 am

Anyone want to spin this one positively? I'm hoping this is a slump. Feels like we're much deeper into the season, but the season started just over a month ago. Do you just keep shooting? IDK, we're all trending down from 3 except Gordon I think.

Oladipo- 4.2 3PAs a game. Shooting 26.5%.

thelead · Post #467 » by **thelead** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:52 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone want to spin this one positively? I'm hoping this is a slump. Feels like we're much deeper into the season, but the season started just over a month ago. Do you just keep shooting? IDK, we're all trending down from 3 except Gordon I think.

Oladipo- 4.2 3PAs a game. Shooting 26.5%.

It's mental at this point. He's missing from everywhere. Not just behind the line.

OrlandoNed · Post #468 » by **OrlandoNed** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:56 am

A lot to chew on for this game, but I just don't feel like having a conversation with this board at defcon 2.

I'll just say that Cleveland needs to class up, sit the f*uck down on the bench and stay off the goddamn court while the game is still in progress and you aren't playing. Act like f*cking professionals.

KillMonger · Post #469 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:57 am

What can skiles do to reinvigorate the offense? His defensive system works 9 times out of 10 but the offense is anemic. Truly a system coach but man you would think that some things are obvious. Hezonja is a shooter, why isn't he being used like one? AG has pretty much a SF skillset offensively why is his only contribution in the offense is off put backs and the occasional jumper off a broken play? Why not put him in the pick and roll? He's a good enough ball handler and Passer to be effective with that play? I mean am i wrong?

King- · Post #470 » by **King-** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:59 am

We're winning doe so developing Hezonja and Gordon doesn't matter

Some of you guys.... :crazy:

KillMonger · Post #471 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:05 am

King- wrote:We're winning doe so developing Hezonja and Gordon doesn't matter

Some of you guys....

He he he...... If only it was that simple

seeingstars · Post #472 » by **seeingstars** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:06 am

OrlandoNed wrote:A lot to chew on for this game, but I just don't feel like having a conversation with this board at defcon 2.

I'll just say that Cleveland needs to class up, sit the f*uck down on the bench and stay off the goddamn court while the game is still in progress and you aren't playing. Act like f*cking professionals.

They're clowns, they may go to the finals again but spurs and warriors will rule them hard. lBJ isn't winning another title in his playing career with those two dynastys putting in work.

Post #473 » by **eyriq** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:18 am

Eek, that is what you call a humbling loss. The growing pains are evident and I expect Skiles to tinker with chemistry until he finds the most consistent and reliable mix. I would really like to see a Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, and Tobias Harris front court start games. I'm OK with Fournier starting over Oladipo. What I'd like is a Fournier/Harris/Frye/Lakers pick consolidation trade for either an all-star sf or pf.

seeingstars · Post #474 » by **seeingstars** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:20 am

Immature Luigi wrote:What can skiles do to reinvigorate the offense? His defensive system works 9 times out of 10 but the offense is anemic. Truly a system coach but man you would think that some things are obvious. Hezonja is a shooter, why isn't he being used like one? AG has pretty much a SF skillset offensively why is his only contribution in the offense is off put backs and the occasional jumper off a broken play? Why not put him in the pick and roll? He's a good enough ball handler and Passer to be effective with that play? I mean am i wrong?

I think step 1 is develop a winning culture.
Step 2 is develop the young talent within that culture.

I agree with the points you've made and share the sentiments. Honestly, I can't see how not playing MH & AG more would help us win. Those guys are dynamic and exciting.

Long term winning is going to come down to how they develop. I was first to say "were winning now, who cares about minutes for the youngins?" But if we want to sustain winning and get to higher levels, these guys have to ball.

I pray Hezonja earned more PT after tonights game.
He AH and Nicholson should be first off the bench, if not all three starting.

thelead · Post #475 » by **thelead** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:30 am

Starters - Elf, Mario, AG, AN, Vuc
Bench - Dipo, Evan, Tobias, Frye, Smith

Took me a while to come up with that... We have issues with this roster and Hennigan must address them. The only (high impact) guy I would consider a 2-way player is Elf and that depends on the night. Smith is also a 2-way player but he obviously isn't high impact. Andrew is close so he makes my starting 5. So, what we're left with is a ton defense-only or offense-only guys.

The other issue is the amount of guys that need to dominate the ball to get into rhythm (Dipo, Evan, Tobias) which happen to be guys that play together with a pass first pg that also needs the ball to be effective (but he's a pg so he gets a pass on that one).

So my rationale for the starter is, Elf is likely our best player (potentially), he needs a shooter by his side (Hezonja), AG then gets the nod at SF because he can be the secondary ball handler with great passing and rebound (in other words, a glue guy), AN for being an all-around PF, and Vuc for his shooting and rebounding (I did contemplate Smith here for his D and J).

The bench would be a mess. Dipo running the point, Evan needing his touches, Tobias needing his touches, who knows what Frye will do (besides fouling after a TO), and Smith (very little to complain about with Jason). In fact, let me sub out Frye, place Smith at PF and place Dedmon at the backup C.

seeingstars · Post #476 » by **seeingstars** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:36 am

thelead wrote:Starters - Elf, Mario, AG, AN, Vuc
Bench - Dipo, Evan, Tobias, Frye, Smith

Took me a while to come up with that... We have issues with this roster and Hennigan must address them. The only (high impact) guy I would consider a 2-way player is Elf and that depends on the night. Smith is also a 2-way player but he obviously isn't high impact. Andrew is close so he makes my starting 5. So, what we're left with is a ton defense-only or offense-only guys.

The other issue is the amount of guys that need to dominate the ball to get into rhythm (Dipo, Evan, Tobias) which happen to be guys that play together with a pass first pg that also needs the ball to be effective (but he's a pg so he gets a pass on that one).

So my rationale for the starter is, Elf is likely our best player (potentially), he needs a shooter by his side (Hezonja), AG then gets the nod at SF because he can be the secondary ball handler with great passing and rebound (in other words, a glue guy), AN for being an all-around PF, and Vuc for his shooting and rebounding (I did contemplate Smith here for his D and J).

The bench would be a mess. Dipo running the point, Evan needing his touches, Tobias needing his touches, who knows what Frye will do (besides fouling after a TO), and Smith (very little to complain about with Jason). In fact, let me sub out Frye, place Smith at PF and place Dedmon at the backup C.

Someone hire this man please

Post #477 » by **ChosenSavior** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:43 am

thelead wrote:Starters - Elf, Mario, AG, AN, Vuc
Bench - Dipo, Evan, Tobias, Frye, Smith

Took me a while to come up with that... We have issues with this roster and Hennigan must address them. The only (high impact) guy I would consider a 2-way player is Elf and that depends on the night. Smith is also a 2-way player but he obviously isn't high impact. Andrew is close so he makes my starting 5. So, what we're left with is a ton defense-only or offense-only guys.

The other issue is the amount of guys that need to dominate the ball to get into rhythm (Dipo, Evan, Tobias) which happen to be guys that play together with a pass first pg that also needs the ball to be effective (but he's a pg so he gets a pass on that one).

So my rationale for the starter is, Elf is likely our best player (potentially), he needs a shooter by his side (Hezonja), AG then gets the nod at SF because he can be the secondary ball handler with great passing and rebound (in other words, a glue guy), AN for being an all-around PF, and Vuc for his shooting and rebounding (I did contemplate Smith here for his D and J).

The bench would be a mess. Dipo running the point, Evan needing his touches, Tobias needing his touches, who knows what Frye will do (besides fouling after a TO), and Smith (very little to complain about with Jason). In fact, let me sub out Frye, place Smith at PF and place Dedmon at the backup C.

I like that starting lineup a lot. Well thought out there. Of course the problem with our team like you mentioned is that the roster is not balanced out at all which shows with your bench lineup. Hopefully we will consolidate assets to get a player that makes sense within our timeline of competing and can help us this season. This game was a real eye opener tonight.

Optimus_Steel · Post #478 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:07 am

God that was freaking humiliating. This simply cannot happen again, there is too much talent on this team to allow this to happen. I hope these guys show some **** pride, they were down by **** 40.

Ducklett · Post #479 » by **Ducklett** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:32 am

I didnt get to watch much of the game, but were we as bad as the score?

Viper1500 · Post #480 » by **Viper1500** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:38 am

What an embarrassing game to attend, complete waste of time. This team.. still has yet to beat a good team. There is definitely something missing, besides the corpse at PF. Harris has gone to ****, this guy can't drive, can't shoot.. Oladipo has taken 10 steps backwards...Fournier, where the **** has he been?