Game 24: Blazers (9-14) @ Suns (10-13)

[SkinnyOMiller]

I hate to say it but the only difference in last year and this year from 2013-14 is dragic. He got teammates involved and the ball moved from side to side so well. Guys were getting their shots in rythem rather then always going one on one to get our points

I think Bledsoe or Knight, one or the other has to be traded sooner or later. Having the two of them won't work out over the long term and I see Booker stepping into the starting lineup by next season as well.

[KLEON]

Hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but coming from a 49ers fan, both Bledsoe and Knight appear to have Kaepernick syndrome. Very talented players, can be successful for many years in the right system but lack the IQ for their positions. I see the same exact traits, the tunnel vision, the lack of any sort of strategy, just trying to win with pure brawn, working harder not smarter.


I see more natural aptitude and basketball IQ out of Booker, the 19 year old rookie than I see out of Bledsoe or Knight. Both those guys are just happy to fly around the court without any real purpose and chuck it up when they should pass it, or making ill advised passes when they should hold on to the ball. Just a general lack of awareness and basic PG instinct.


The Suns have two shoot-first PG's and neither is a natural distributor or court general that can organize the offense. In the long run I don't see this working out and ultimately it will cost Hornacek his job.

So true

[SkinnyOMiller]

I like the numbers and all but the impact of Knight and Bledsoe reminds me of the Marbury / Francis days... Where the team looked so predictable offensively and very beatable when you can shut down the 2 PG from dominating.

Too much ball-stopping and chucking, sometimes they do a great job of moving the ball around but its so inconsistent that I don't know if it will ever improve. I certainly don't expect any miracles this season.

[AtheJ415]

We need a real PG. it's that simple. We don't have one and that's our biggest problem

Wrong again.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion

List the PGs better than Bledsoe this year.

[Qwigglez]

I hate to say it but the only difference in last year and this year from 2013-14 is dragic. He got teammates involved and the ball moved from side to side so well. Guys were getting their shots in rythem rather then always going one on one to get our points

I think Bledsoe or Knight, one or the other has to be traded sooner or later. Having the two of them won't work out over the long term and I see Booker stepping into the starting lineup by next season as well.

If Kyrie Irving has a set back, maybe the Cavs entertain offers for Love. Knight/Morris for Love works for me

[bwgood77]

Hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but coming from a 49ers fan, both Bledsoe and Knight appear to have Kaepernick syndrome. Very talented players, can be successful for many years in the right system but lack the IQ for their positions. I see the same exact traits, the tunnel vision, the lack of any sort of strategy, just trying to win with pure brawn, working harder not smarter.


I see more natural aptitude and basketball IQ out of Booker, the 19 year old rookie than I see out of Bledsoe or Knight. Both those guys are just happy to fly around the court without any real purpose and chuck it up when they should pass it, or making ill advised passes when they should hold on to the ball. Just a general lack of awareness and basic PG instinct.


The Suns have two shoot-first PG's and neither is a natural distributor or court general that can organize the offense. In the long run I don't see this working out and ultimately it will cost Hornacek his job.

So true

I agree. It's quite unbelievable how low their bbiq seems.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Wrong again.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion

List the PGs better than Bledsoe this year.

Are we talking pure stats, because Marbury had terrific stats, still wasn't all too conducive to winning basketball games. I like Bledsoe, he's such a talented, versatile player who goes after it with a nonstop motor but he still has a tendency to play out of control and doesn't really seem to plan ahead a whole lot, just plays like a bull in a china shop, charging in and hoping for the best. You need more out of your PG position.

[thamadkant]

Wrong again.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion

List the PGs better than Bledsoe this year.

I think he means a pass first playmaker... Who sets up plays 2 to 3 sequences forward. Proper X and O pgs or creative play making.

I understand what he was getting to.

Great passing teams have players who sees plays 2 to 3 sequences ahead. The Suns PGs are playing well in the moment. Drive and dish to the corners.... Is not a setup.


Bledsoe is more of a combo PG and he is having an all star season. Doesnt mean he is a traditional pass first / play maker.

[TeamTragic]

Hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but coming from a 49ers fan, both Bledsoe and Knight appear to have Kaepernick syndrome. Very talented players, can be successful for many years in the right system but lack the IQ for their positions. I see the same exact traits, the tunnel vision, the lack of any sort of strategy, just trying to win with pure brawn, working harder not smarter.


I see more natural aptitude and basketball IQ out of Booker, the 19 year old rookie than I see out of Bledsoe or Knight. Both those guys are just happy to fly around the court without any real purpose and chuck it up when they should pass it, or making ill advised passes when they should hold on to the ball. Just a general lack of awareness and basic PG instinct.


The Suns have two shoot-first PG's and neither is a natural distributor or court general that can organize the offense. In the long run I don't see this working out and ultimately it will cost Hornacek his job.

So true

I agree. It's quite unbelievable how low their bbiq seems.

I don't think Knight/Bledsoe have low basketball IQ. I just that Hornacek makes them appear to have low basketball IQ because he has no **** clue what he is doing when it comes to the fourth quarter. No clue. Period.

This has been proven multiple times this season. Hornacek has poor execution, becomes clueless with subs and drags the team down with his decisions.

[Qwigglez]

I like the numbers and all but the impact of Knight and Bledsoe reminds me of the Marbury / Francis days... Where the team looked so predictable offensively and very beatable when you can shut down the 2 PG from dominating.

We had Steve Francis at one point??

[AtheJ415]

Hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but coming from a 49ers fan, both Bledsoe and Knight appear to have Kaepernick syndrome. Very talented players, can be successful for many years in the right system but lack the IQ for their positions. I see the same exact traits, the tunnel vision, the lack of any sort of strategy, just trying to win with pure brawn, working harder not smarter.


I see more natural aptitude and basketball IQ out of Booker, the 19 year old rookie than I see out of Bledsoe or Knight. Both those guys are just happy to fly around the court without any real purpose and chuck it up when they should pass it, or making ill advised passes when they should hold on to the ball. Just a general lack of awareness and basic PG instinct.


The Suns have two shoot-first PG's and neither is a natural distributor or court general that can organize the offense. In the long run I don't see this working out and ultimately it will cost Hornacek his job.

So true

I just want to know who in that 4th quarter lineup they were supposed to swing the ball to. Tucker? Price? Knight (who was 0-10)?When you only have to guard 2 of the players on the court, it's a problem, and that's a basketball IQ problem for the guy making the rotations, not the players.

[RunDogGun]

Our starting guards lost that game. Even though Bledsoe didn't have a bad game stat wise, he blew three possessions down the stretch of the third. Knight literally sucked at shooting. No reason to be in the game for most of the time he was. Price actually disturbed CJ, and was the better player, if we would have used our big guys more.

Our guards don't make good enough plays to get guys open, so they dribble out the clock, and throw it to guys that aren't very good catch and shoot players, or guys that don't have position to get a good shot off. That has to change. We should have kept feeding Len, and run some good pick and rolls for Jefferson while he was in. Booker needs more shots.

I get to watch another game, which looked to be a down to the wire game, and instead I get to watch Knight suck a fat one.

[thamadkant]

I like the numbers and all but the impact of Knight and Bledsoe reminds me of the Marbury / Francis days... Where the team looked so predictable offensively and very beatable when you can shut down the 2 PG from dominating.

We had Steve Francis at one point??

Knicks... I watched them too back then.

[jeff2020]

Wrong again.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion

List the PGs better than Bledsoe this year.

It's not all about stats. It's about ball movement. He stops the ball movement of possessions. I like Bledsoe but as an off guard like he played in 13-14.

Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Conley, Parker, Lowry, Teague, lillard and I would take dragic on this team running PG over bled. I like bled but not as a pure PG. way too many possessions with him just dribbling around for 10-15 seconds doing nothing

[SkinnyOMiller]

So true

I agree. It's quite unbelievable how low their bbiq seems.

I don't think Knight/Bledsoe have low basketball IQ. I just that Hornacek makes them appear to have low basketball IQ because he has no **** clue what he is doing when it comes to the fourth quarter. No clue. Period.

This has been proven multiple times this season. Hornacek has poor execution, clueless with subs and drags the team down with his decisions.

I think its natural to blame the coaches for everything in any sport but in reality, your personnel still have to execute. Hornacek isn't coaching Bledsoe and Knight to make ill-advised cross court passes, to chuck up bad shots, to lose track of the 24 second clock.



Hornacek has to work with the players he is given, he has two PG's that are extremely talented but lack on court awareness and are both more shoot-first than pass-first guards that look to setup their teammates and get them involved in the flow of the game. If there is one thing that Hornacek is to be blamed for, its for his insistence on this two PG system that has resulted in Ronnie Price being perhaps the only real PG on the roster.


Right now I'd say that Devin Booker is even a better passer than either Bledsoe or Knight.....who says no?

[bwgood77]

So true

I agree. It's quite unbelievable how low their bbiq seems.

I don't think Knight/Bledsoe have low basketball IQ. I just that Hornacek makes them appear to have low basketball IQ because he has no **** clue what he is doing when it comes to the fourth quarter. No clue. Period.

This has been proven multiple times this season. Hornacek has poor execution, become clueless with subs and drags the team down with his decisions.

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Well then you need to pay closer attention.

[AtheJ415]

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion

List the PGs better than Bledsoe this year.

Are we talking pure stats, because Marbury had terrific stats, still wasn't all too conducive to winning basketball games. I like Bledsoe, he's such a talented, versatile player who goes after it with a nonstop motor but he still has a tendency to play out of control and doesn't really seem to plan ahead a whole lot, just plays like a bull in a china shop, charging in and hoping for the best. You need more out of your PG position.

We're talking regular, advanced, whatever stats. But yes, stats, because frankly just your eyeballs don't hold much weight, so numbers are the most objective. Bledsoe is nearly tops in the league at finding teammates at the 3 point line, a plus defender by nearly every metric, and a top 15 scorer in all of basketball on decent fg%. Marbury, who has nothing to do with this conversation because he doesn't play anymore, did nothing like Bledsoe on defense, and while his assist numbers were misleading, he didn't penetrate like Bledsoe does to get them, which is a big part of making your teammates better. So yes, let's see who you actually think we would need to win with at the PG spot. Tell me who these PGs are in the NBA this year.

[Qwigglez]

I like the numbers and all but the impact of Knight and Bledsoe reminds me of the Marbury / Francis days... Where the team looked so predictable offensively and very beatable when you can shut down the 2 PG from dominating.

We had Steve Francis at one point??

Knicks... I watched them too back then.

Ahhh okay. I do remember Francis playing for the Knicks at one point. I don't really remember Francis and Marbury playing for them at the same time though

[bwgood77]

I agree. It's quite unbelievable how low their bbiq seems.

I don't think Knight/Bledsoe have low basketball IQ. I just that Hornacek makes them appear to have low basketball IQ because he has no **** clue what he is doing when it comes to the fourth quarter. No clue. Period.

This has been proven multiple times this season. Hornacek has poor execution, clueless with subs and drags the team down with his decisions.

I think its natural to blame the coaches for everything in any sport but in reality, your personnel still have to execute. Hornacek isn't coaching Bledsoe and Knight to make ill-advised cross court passes, to chuck up bad shots, to lose track of the 24 second clock.



Hornacek has to work with the players he is given, he has two PG's that are extremely talented but lack on court awareness and are both more shoot-first than pass-first guards that look to setup their teammates and get them involved in the flow of the game. If there is one thing that Hornacek is to be blamed for, its for his insistence on this two PG system that has resulted in Ronnie Price being perhaps the only real PG on the roster.

Right now I'd say that Devin Booker is even a better passer than either Bledsoe or Knight.....who says no?

I 100% agree with everything you just said. Hornacek has said he needs more ball movement. It's the same reason I couldn't stand IT. He would get assists, but they would all be when he dribbled for 22 seconds and hit a guy that had to shoot at the last second. I hate this kind of basketball.

Even when Bledsoe makes it, I HATE when he dribbles for 15 seconds, and then takes a shot. As much as I am happy he makes these, it just is going to reinforce that behavior more. We have SO many good shooters that with great ball movement we could really take advantage of that, but our PGs only do that on occasion.

[bwgood77]

We had Steve Francis at one point??

Knicks... I watched them too back then.

Ahhh okay. I do remember Francis playing for the Knicks at one point. I don't really remember Francis and Marbury playing for them at the same time though

You don't remember the Isiah Thomas quote "It's just so crazy it just might work."?