Quarter-pole trade market

Post #141 » by **loserX** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 6:17 pm

Team list now in the first post for easy reference. We've got almost half the teams (13/30) so far...looking for input on the rest! If your team hasn't been done (or even if it has and you have additional comments), please post!

Post #142 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 6:21 pm

Cavs should sit tight until Kyrie and Shump have been back in the line up for a while. No need to rock the boat at this point.

Kings2013 · Post #143 » by **Kings2013** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 11:03 pm

Team has been disappointing as a fan but there are factors (6-4 with Cousins able to go full game) with a relatively tough schedule that have contributed. Karl is literally on his last legs and most likely will be replaced this summer. It's a multi year process. Playoffs or no the step we need to take this year is from 29 wins to being competitive nightly and hopefully improve in the coming years with further cohesion/chemistry

Need to re up Rondo and hopefully WCS matures into the front court running mate next to Cousins we think he can be. I feel comfortable with the fit of Rondo,Gay,WCS,Cousins,Curry,Casspi and Koufos

A couple players that I still think can contribute to a valuable level elsewhere as potential assets:

Collison - Was a quality starter last year and traditionally a quality back up PG. Hasn't meshed with Rondo and may feel aggrieved by being misplaced by him. Kind of weird considering he's not a ball dominant point and has played well off ball in the past. Curry is coming on as well making somewhat of a surplus who can play PG. Only issue is if you can't retain Rondo you might need him as a starter again. For that reason my personal inclination is to keep him

Belinelli - Just hasn't fit in the offense.

Needs - Starting SG might be an issue. I don't think that will happen mid season. McLemore is only 22 and I think you give him this full season to convince. Could go either way

Post #144 » by **loserX** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:48 pm

Just bumping this one back to the front page...we are still missing some teams in the opening post, and would love more input from fans! I know a couple of good proposals have already come out of this and it'd be great to see more.

Still looking for feedback from fans of:
Atlanta
Brooklyn
Chicago
Houston
LA Clippers
LA Lakers
Memphis
Miami
Milwaukee
Minnesota
New Orleans
New York
Orlando
Phoenix
Washington

(I know some of these teams have threads going already, but sometimes it's just easier to have one central resource)

tiderulz · Post #145 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:56 pm

Orlando fan here. personal opinion.

One of Dipo/Fournier needs to be made available.

Front office needs to identify which wing we plan on keeping and trade the other for a starting PF.

we dont need to tie up the money for both of them at the same position

Xanadu · Post #146 » by **Xanadu** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:50 am

bondom34 wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Didn't say they "won the trade" said Harden wanted out. They obliged. And he never touches MVP candidate in OKC. And you literallypicked 2 examples Presti asked for, GSW and WAS said no.

And RJ was the Kanter trade, unless you're saying Utah gave Kanter for Perkins and a late first. And I don't think RJ was the best prospect in the dela, he's still an average PG. Great for them, but great for OKC too. You've either forgotten that trade or are misconstruing it terribly. Also, because a player is off the bench doesn't demean them, he still plays a pretty big role (he's essentially the main non-KD/WB scorer).

RJ didn't go to Utah, he went to Detroit. Utah got Perkins and a late 1st.
I think your forgetting the trade:

OKC: Enes Kanter, DJ Augustine, Kyle Singler, Steve Novak
UTAH: 2018 OKC 1st, Kendrick Perkins
DET: Reggie Jackson

No, I'm remembering. I'm saying that Jackson was the value OKC sent out. They sent it to Detroit, but got value back from Utah in the form of Kanter. They didn't trade Jackson for Augustin and Singler.

Dude Kanter was a horrible move anytime your paying Max for a back up its bad. Not to mention you gave up value to get him. Ridiculous to defend that trade. Kanter is black hole offensively and the worse defending center in the league. Just all around horrible trade.
Also Bucks need a PG want Payne. I'll give you some combination of MCW/Bayless/Mayo and a 2nd. Inglis could also be thrown in. He could be a good wing defender of the bench if he got the playing time.

Post #147 » by **bondom34** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:53 am

Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
RJ didn't go to Utah, he went to Detroit. Utah got Perkins and a late 1st.
I think your forgetting the trade:

OKC: Enes Kanter, DJ Augustine, Kyle Singler, Steve Novak
UTAH: 2018 OKC 1st, Kendrick Perkins
DET: Reggie Jackson

No, I'm remembering. I'm saying that Jackson was the value OKC sent out. They sent it to Detroit, but got value back from Utah in the form of Kanter. They didn't trade Jackson for Augustin and Singler.

Dude Kanter was a horrible move anytime your paying Max for a back up its bad. Not to mention you gave up value to get him. Ridiculous to defend that trade. Kanter is black hole offensively and the worse defending center in the league. Just all around horrible trade.

Uh...he's been pretty good this season. I hated the contract, but no complaints right now. I love the trade and most OKC fans would agree.

Xanadu · Post #148 » by **Xanadu** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:55 am

bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:No, I'm remembering. I'm saying that Jackson was the value OKC sent out. They sent it to Detroit, but got value back from Utah in the form of Kanter. They didn't trade Jackson for Augustin and Singler.

Dude Kanter was a horrible move anytime your paying Max for a back up its bad. Not to mention you gave up value to get him. Ridiculous to defend that trade. Kanter is black hole offensively and the worse defending center in the league. Just all around horrible trade.

Uh...he's been pretty good this season. I hated the contract, but no complaints right now. I love the trade and most OKC fans would agree.

Man I just don't see he doesn't fit with your stars and he is coming off the bench. He is just straight up not worth that contract. He has always been capable of putting up numbers that doesn't make him good. Just see Monroe in Milwaukee I hated that signing and still do even if he is "playing well".

Post #149 » by **bondom34** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:58 am

Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:Dude Kanter was a horrible move anytime your paying Max for a back up its bad. Not to mention you gave up value to get him. Ridiculous to defend that trade. Kanter is black hole offensively and the worse defending center in the league. Just all around horrible trade.

Uh...he's been pretty good this season. I hated the contract, but no complaints right now. I love the trade and most OKC fans would agree.

Man I just don't see he doesn't fit with your stars and he is coming off the bench. He is just straight up not worth that contract. He has always been capable of putting up numbers that doesn't make him good. Just see Monroe in Milwaukee I hated that signing and still do even if he is "playing well".

2 things:

1. He's scoring off the bench, and isn't worth the contract now, but IMO he gets traded some time before Adams resigns. Right now he's not hurting anyone and playing well.

2. You didn't have years of Kendrick Perkins and Thabeet as your 2 centers. Kanter is amazing in comparison, any day. Many fans hated the contract, but now, we're all pretty happy with the player even if a bit overpaid. He's pretty solid.

Xanadu · Post #150 » by **Xanadu** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:58 am

bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:No, I'm remembering. I'm saying that Jackson was the value OKC sent out. They sent it to Detroit, but got value back from Utah in the form of Kanter. They didn't trade Jackson for Augustin and Singler.

Dude Kanter was a horrible move anytime your paying Max for a back up its bad. Not to mention you gave up value to get him. Ridiculous to defend that trade. Kanter is black hole offensively and the worse defending center in the league. Just all around horrible trade.

Uh...he's been pretty good this season. I hated the contract, but no complaints right now. I love the trade and most OKC fans would agree.

Also Payne any chance we can pry him away. I would even be willing to give up Vaughn and Mayo. I think thats fair Mayo gives you a 2 way guard his defense has been much improved since coming to Milwaukee and he is a streaky shooter but a underrated passer. Vaughn has the potential to become that 2 guard OKC has always needed.
We get Payne and start him right away.

Post #151 » by **bondom34** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:01 am

Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:Dude Kanter was a horrible move anytime your paying Max for a back up its bad. Not to mention you gave up value to get him. Ridiculous to defend that trade. Kanter is black hole offensively and the worse defending center in the league. Just all around horrible trade.

Uh...he's been pretty good this season. I hated the contract, but no complaints right now. I love the trade and most OKC fans would agree.

Also Payne any chance we can pry him away. I would even be willing to give up Vaughn and Mayo. I think thats fair Mayo gives you a 2 way guard his defense has been much improved since coming to Milwaukee and he is a streaky shooter but a underrated passer. Vaughn has the potential to become that 2 guard OKC has always needed.
We get Payne and start him right away.

Not even close. I'd maybe give McGary/Novak and Waiters for that package. Mayo's been bad this year and no real interest in Vaughn at all.

Xanadu · Post #152 » by **Xanadu** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:14 am

bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Uh...he's been pretty good this season. I hated the contract, but no complaints right now. I love the trade and most OKC fans would agree.

Also Payne any chance we can pry him away. I would even be willing to give up Vaughn and Mayo. I think thats fair Mayo gives you a 2 way guard his defense has been much improved since coming to Milwaukee and he is a streaky shooter but a underrated passer. Vaughn has the potential to become that 2 guard OKC has always needed.
We get Payne and start him right away.

Not even close. I'd maybe give McGary/Novak and Waiters for that package. Mayo's been bad this year and no real interest in Vaughn at all.

Mayo hasn't really been bad. Remember numbers don't tell the whole story. In fact since he has been starting for us at PG he has been much improved. Not to mention he was hurt to start the year. Vaughn showed promise in summer league and is a natural shooter. He is 2 years younger at 19 and makes much more sense than Payne for you guys. He is at a position of need for you and was consider by many to be a lottery pick before getting hurt. He was only picked 3 picks after Payne so I don't see how Payne has so much value in your eyes. Its not like he has been lighting it up off your bench. I mean he can't even beat out Augustin for playing time. I think you overvaluing Payne. I mean best case scenarist he becomes your first guard off the bench. Not like he is going to supplant Westbrook

Post #153 » by **bondom34** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:17 am

Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:Also Payne any chance we can pry him away. I would even be willing to give up Vaughn and Mayo. I think thats fair Mayo gives you a 2 way guard his defense has been much improved since coming to Milwaukee and he is a streaky shooter but a underrated passer. Vaughn has the potential to become that 2 guard OKC has always needed.
We get Payne and start him right away.

Not even close. I'd maybe give McGary/Novak and Waiters for that package. Mayo's been bad this year and no real interest in Vaughn at all.

Mayo hasn't really been bad. Remember numbers don't tell the whole story. In fact since he has been starting for us at PG he has been much improved. Not to mention he was hurt to start the year. Vaughn showed promise in summer league and is a natural shooter. He is 2 years younger at 19 and makes much more sense than Payne for you guys. He is at a position of need for you and was consider by many to be a lottery pick before getting hurt. He was only picked 3 picks after Payne so I don't see how Payne has so much value in your eyes. Its not like he has been lighting it up off your bench. I mean he can't even beat out Augustin for playing time. I think you overvaluing Payne. I mean best case scenarist he becomes your first guard off the bench. Not like he is going to supplant Westbrook

If I'm overvaluing him, you shouldn't really want him

.

Mayo just isn't good, his 3 is way off and hes a poor defender. Vaughn was considered a reach by most at 17, and Cam likely replaces Augustin after this season. Not even really close.

Xanadu · Post #154 » by **Xanadu** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:23 am

bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Not even close. I'd maybe give McGary/Novak and Waiters for that package. Mayo's been bad this year and no real interest in Vaughn at all.

Mayo hasn't really been bad. Remember numbers don't tell the whole story. In fact since he has been starting for us at PG he has been much improved. Not to mention he was hurt to start the year. Vaughn showed promise in summer league and is a natural shooter. He is 2 years younger at 19 and makes much more sense than Payne for you guys. He is at a position of need for you and was consider by many to be a lottery pick before getting hurt. He was only picked 3 picks after Payne so I don't see how Payne has so much value in your eyes. Its not like he has been lighting it up off your bench. I mean he can't even beat out Augustin for playing time. I think you overvaluing Payne. I mean best case scenarist he becomes your first guard off the bench. Not like he is going to supplant Westbrook

If I'm overvaluing him, you shouldn't really want him .

Mayo just isn't good, his 3 is way off and hes a poor defender. Vaughn was considered a reach by most at 17, and Cam likely replaces Augustin after this season. Not even really close.

Alright man fine. I think your more undervaluing the bucks players. Especially Mayo but w/e. Vaughn was considered a lottery pick before his injury and even if Cam replaces Augustin the still doesn't solve your 2 guard problem. Also no way does Waiter/Mcgary fetch a starting 2. Mayo would be great with your starters by the way. Just look at his years in Dallas. When playing with star his efficiency goes way up.

Post #155 » by **bondom34** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:25 am

Xanadu wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Xanadu wrote:Mayo hasn't really been bad. Remember numbers don't tell the whole story. In fact since he has been starting for us at PG he has been much improved. Not to mention he was hurt to start the year. Vaughn showed promise in summer league and is a natural shooter. He is 2 years younger at 19 and makes much more sense than Payne for you guys. He is at a position of need for you and was consider by many to be a lottery pick before getting hurt. He was only picked 3 picks after Payne so I don't see how Payne has so much value in your eyes. Its not like he has been lighting it up off your bench. I mean he can't even beat out Augustin for playing time. I think you overvaluing Payne. I mean best case scenarist he becomes your first guard off the bench. Not like he is going to supplant Westbrook

If I'm overvaluing him, you shouldn't really want him .

Mayo just isn't good, his 3 is way off and hes a poor defender. Vaughn was considered a reach by most at 17, and Cam likely replaces Augustin after this season. Not even really close.

Alright man fine. I think your more undervaluing the bucks players. Especially Mayo but w/e. Vaughn was considered a lottery pick before his injury and even if Cam replaces Augustin the still doesn't solve your 2 guard problem. Also no way does Waiter/Mcgary fetch a starting 2. Mayo would be great with your starters by the way. Just look at his years in Dallas. When playing with star his efficiency goes way up.

OK, but try to post offers for Mayo and see what gets offered. Not much if anything. I'd take him over Waiters, but thats not saying much when hes the 3rd best SG on OKC.

Maefteda · Post #156 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:08 am

Timberwolves:

Needs 3PT shooting and perimeter defenders. He's obviously not gonna be moved now, but an Avery Bradley type of player would be ideal.

Kevin Martin is very much available, he needs to go to open up playing time for LaVine at the 2 and Shabazz in general. Shabazz and Dieng are possible pieces in a trade if it makes sense for the Wolves.

Rapsfan07 · Post #157 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:57 pm

Maefteda wrote:Timberwolves:

Needs 3PT shooting and perimeter defenders. He's obviously not gonna be moved now, but an Avery Bradley type of player would be ideal.

Kevin Martin is very much available, he needs to go to open up playing time for LaVine at the 2 and Shabazz in general. Shabazz and Dieng are possible pieces in a trade if it makes sense for the Wolves.

Well you're in luck because Toronto has Terrence Ross available. Young, athletic, can shoot the 3 and defend both wing positions. We'd take Kevin Martin and Dieng.

Rapsfan07 · Post #158 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:02 pm

Toronto fan here

We're in the market for a young, starting quality PF that can score and rebound well... some defense wouldn't hurt either. Also could use some scoring punch off the bench and another back up C as well.

We have a lot of assets - picks, players. Only players unavailable are Lowry, DeRozan and Valanciunas.

Post #159 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:49 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:Toronto fan here

We're in the market for a young, starting quality PF that can score and rebound well... some defense wouldn't hurt either. Also could use some scoring punch off the bench and another back up C as well.

We have a lot of assets - picks, players. Only players unavailable are Lowry, DeRozan and Valanciunas.

I'd offer Mitch, who I think will actually be starter quality, but you have nothing we would really want.

Don't say Ross. Just don't.

cammac · Post #160 » by **cammac** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:48 pm

Toronto is obviously looking for a starting PF who is young and has a upside since they are unlikely to be players in free agency with the extensions of Jonas, Ross and DeMar being a UFA.
For me the natural players to fit the bill are either T. Jones or Donatas Motiejunas both 25 or younger and both RFA at the end of the year.

What Toronto has to offer Scola, James Johnson, Wright or Powell with a combination of either Toronto 2017 1st or LAC 2017 1st.

Both Houston & Toronto need to fill holes in their rosters Houston more of an immediate situation and Toronto longer term.

A equatable trade would be Scola ( putting up similar numbers to Jones and brings veteran leadership ) , Powell and choice of Raptors or LAC 2017 1st. for T. Jones & Jason Terry.