2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread

[Foye]

So we didn't manage to score against Stuttgart.
At least didn't conceed either.

Well this is supposed to be one of the years where you battle relegation before ending up in an EL spot next season, no?

Oh, and bone the hottie. Life is short, you're young, and it's always better to take advantage of the joys life grants us than to lament what ifs.

It's same story as always this season. Giving a lot of guys a chance to make themselves a name and then lose them for good money next season or the season after.
It doesn't make much sense to try and go for EL because the moment we reach EL spots our best players will be gone next season anyway.

I'm having a hard time convincing myself not to go out with her right now. We texted about a quadrillion messages the last few days.

[DD12]

Giving a lot of guys a chance to make themselves a name and then lose them for good money next season or the season after.

This is the definition of Bundesliga. Why are you so surprised? All good players will end up in one team anyway. It's not only Mainzer or Werder Bremen's problem. It is every single team's problem including Wolfsburg and Dortmund.

[Foye]

Giving a lot of guys a chance to make themselves a name and then lose them for good money next season or the season after.

This is the definition of Bundesliga. Why are you so surprised? All good players will end up in one team anyway. It's not only Mainzer or Werder Bremen's problem. It is every single team's problem including Wolfsburg and Dortmund.

I'm not surprised. The definition of Bundesliga is developing good young players. I can live with that. It's not perfect but it's a system where you can make your club grow financial-wise by selling smart to bigger teams.
But what is the definition of Süper Lig then? Blowing money into ageing over-the-hill players butts?

[DD12]

Developing good young players and then what? Bayern Munich takes it for a penny? This is exactly what's been going on in Bundesliga. It is not like teams are selling their young players for 50+ million euros to Bayern. As you said, it's not perfect yet it is horrible because it will not lead you to become a successful team. It is like masturbating, you find, raise, develop and bayern takes it. And do it over and over and over again but it is just dead end circle where you will never take a step forward.

[cgf]

No one but Bayern, Barcelona and Real fans are happy with the state of transfers in modern football...

[Det the Threat]

No one but Bayern, Barcelona and Real fans are happy with the state of transfers in modern football...

Don't forget the EPL clubs and PSG.
Talking about EPL, having read how things are done at Man City, I happily stay a selling club, never win anything and enjoy a proper football atmosphere.
http://www.halbangst.de/borussia-verstoerende-visionen-in-manchester/
http://www.mitgedacht-block.de/elf-inselgeschichten/

So they basically

- have a singing section(placed right next to the away fans)
- have a banner thanking their sheikh
- were totally hostile towards our fans
- threw food at our fans
- pointed at our fans and wanted them thrown out of the stadium for celebrating and standing up after a goal
- were filming our fans the whole game in awe with their smartphones
- sang about a minute after scoring them goals that "you don't sing anymore", which was answered by "you're only singing when your winning"
....

@DD12:
Bayern certainly is one of the teams buying top talents developed by those other teams. Though, it's also Barca, Real, PSG and the Premier League, which uses it's money to get their hands on the talent developed in Germany.

BTW: Ibrahima Traoré might be fit for todays game against Leverkusen.
Would be nice to have two wingers for the game...

[Foye]

Developing good young players and then what? Bayern Munich takes it for a penny? This is exactly what's been going on in Bundesliga. It is not like teams are selling their young players for 50+ million euros to Bayern. As you said, it's not perfect yet it is horrible because it will not lead you to become a successful team. It is like masturbating, you find, raise, develop and bayern takes it. And do it over and over and over again but it is just dead end circle where you will never take a step forward.

Of course you will take a step forward by selling. We are going close to 100 mil. revenue for the first time ever this year, build a new stadium, play in front of 30k people and everything in general is much more professional.

Compare that to those days in the second league when they were playing in front of a couple thousands in an ancient stadium, had no money whatsoever available for transfers and clearly there's no development at all.
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[cgf]

No one but Bayern, Barcelona and Real fans are happy with the state of transfers in modern football...

Don't forget the EPL clubs and PSG.
Talking about EPL, having read how things are done at Man City, I happily stay a selling club, never win anything and enjoy a proper football atmosphere.
http://www.halbangst.de/borussia-verstoerende-visionen-in-manchester/
http://www.mitgedacht-block.de/elf-inselgeschichten/

So they basically

- have a singing section(placed right next to the away fans)
- have a banner thanking their sheikh
- were totally hostile towards our fans
- threw food at our fans
- pointed at our fans and wanted them thrown out of the stadium for celebrating and standing up after a goal
- were filming our fans the whole game in awe with their smartphones
- sang about a minute after scoring them goals that "you don't sing anymore", which was answered by "you're only singing when your winning"
....

@DD12:
Bayern certainly is one of the teams buying top talents developed by those other teams. Though, it's also Barca, Real, PSG and the Premier League, which uses it's money to get their hands on the talent developed in Germany.

BTW: Ibrahima Traoré might be fit for todays game against Leverkusen.
Would be nice to have two wingers for the game...

Even those EPL clubs and PSG have to sell when Real and the FCBs come calling. They are higher up the food chain, but they still are not on that top rung.

And I fully agree with you about picking atmosphere over top level success every time. There's a reason I go to every Union match I can and why you guys are my defacto first league team now. Seeing my team win is great, but going to the stadium and having an amazing time singing and jumping around with tens of thousands of my fellow fans for a couple hours is what makes me love this sport. I'd never trade that for the sterility that plagues so many EPL stadiums; even if I do lament that the structure of the game rewards those sterile big money clubs at the expense of clubs with actual hearts like our clubs or Massi's Gala.

And I hope Traore can play; seeing Schubert experimenting with a back 3 was exciting given my interest in that formation with your roster, but having that threat burning down the wing will help take advantage of Schmidt's tactics.

[DD12]

Developing good young players and then what? Bayern Munich takes it for a penny? This is exactly what's been going on in Bundesliga. It is not like teams are selling their young players for 50+ million euros to Bayern. As you said, it's not perfect yet it is horrible because it will not lead you to become a successful team. It is like masturbating, you find, raise, develop and bayern takes it. And do it over and over and over again but it is just dead end circle where you will never take a step forward.

Of course you will take a step forward by selling. We are going close to 100 mil. revenue for the first time ever this year, build a new stadium, play in front of 30k people and everything in general is much more professional.

Compare that to those days in the second league when they were playing in front of a couple thousands in an ancient stadium, had no money whatsoever available for transfers and clearly there's no development at all.
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Even if Mainz have 250 mil revenue, it doesnt matter. There is one team in the league dominates everything. They created a monopoly where small teams can be on a high incline revenue wise but it doesn't mean anything.

Look Porto is a selling club. They have billions of euros in their bank. What can they accomplish? Nothing. Benfica is the same way. You don't find world class talents everyday. Once you have them, you have got to keep them in order to be successful because they dont come around often. If you sell them and try to develop others, it just won't work.

[Baphomet]

Even if Mainz have 250 mil revenue, it doesnt matter. There is one team in the league dominates everything. They created a monopoly where small teams can be on a high incline revenue wise but it doesn't mean anything.

Look Porto is a selling club. They have billions of euros in their bank. What can they accomplish? Nothing. Benfica is the same way. You don't find world class talents everyday. Once you have them, you have got to keep them in order to be successful because they dont come around often. If you sell them and try to develop others, it just won't work.

It's a good version

[Andi Obst]

What a time to be a Hertha fan. Incredible season so far, didn't see this coming at all.

[DD12]

9 goals in 3 days. Holy cow.

[DD12]

As i said, hernandez will probably score 25+ goals in this league.

[cgf]

Developing good young players and then what? Bayern Munich takes it for a penny? This is exactly what's been going on in Bundesliga. It is not like teams are selling their young players for 50+ million euros to Bayern. As you said, it's not perfect yet it is horrible because it will not lead you to become a successful team. It is like masturbating, you find, raise, develop and bayern takes it. And do it over and over and over again but it is just dead end circle where you will never take a step forward.

Of course you will take a step forward by selling. We are going close to 100 mil. revenue for the first time ever this year, build a new stadium, play in front of 30k people and everything in general is much more professional.

Compare that to those days in the second league when they were playing in front of a couple thousands in an ancient stadium, had no money whatsoever available for transfers and clearly there's no development at all.
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Even if Mainz have 250 mil revenue, it doesnt matter. There is one team in the league dominates everything. They created a monopoly where small teams can be on a high incline revenue wise but it doesn't mean anything.

Look Porto is a selling club. They have billions of euros in their bank. What can they accomplish? Nothing. Benfica is the same way. You don't find world class talents everyday. Once you have them, you have got to keep them in order to be successful because they dont come around often. If you sell them and try to develop others, it just won't work.

Can you name a club in any league other than Real, Bayern or Barca, who doesn't have to sell when one of those three comes calling? Cause if not you're basically arguing that it's pointless to support any club but one of those three since nobody can keep their best players except for them. And if that's your point it begs the question what you losers are doing putting so much passion into ****ing Gala when even Juventus won't be able to keep Pogba?

[DD12]

Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United, Juventus.

You asked for 1 and i just gave you 4. Start if if if if if if sentences now.

[cgf]

Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United, Juventus.

You asked for 1 and i just gave you 4. Start if if if if if if sentences now.

You didn't give me 4, you almost gave me 1. Juventus just lost one of their best players (Vidal) and their best young talent (Coman) to Bayern; will lose Dybala in a few years when he's ready for one of the big 3; and will lose their talisman (Pogba) in the summer to one of the Spanish giants. United are about to lose de Gea to Real and have no one else the big three would want. Chelsea will see Hazard leaving them soon for one of the big 3 or maybe even PSG.

PSG and Citeh are your best arguments, but with them we haven't seen one of their best tempted by one of the big 3...though if either FCB decide upon Veratti this summer I doubt PSG could keep him, ditto Real finally coming for Aguero...and we have seen that their recruiting power on the transfer front doesn't match those top three. So even these two, who are the closest clubs we can find to teams the top 3 can't raid, aren't on the same rung of drawing power.

And you still haven't answered why anyone would waste their time following Gala if you genuinely feel this way.

[Det the Threat]

Well, if Kießling starts scoring goals it's not going to be your day.

Anyways, we were due for one in the league and got that one handed to us thanks to giving away those first three goals.
The team really needs the winter break given that we still have at least six guys out(and no wingers since half time of that game) per game and with guys like Dahoud certainly in need for a breather.
Also, Jantschke will be the biggest loser from that manager change given that he's not comfortable in Schuberts pressing and attacking system and still prone to mistakes(first goal) defensively.

Now gotta chin up and see who's available for Tuesdays matchup with Bremen.

[Foye]

Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United, Juventus.

You asked for 1 and i just gave you 4. Start if if if if if if sentences now.

Juve just sold Coman and Vidal to Bayern but ok. Chelsea is a seller club, too, if they want to buy new players.

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[DD12]

Real Madrid was after De Gea in the beginning of the season but they couldn't close it. Now De Gea seems and says very happy at Manu. As long as Manu doesn't want to sell, they don't have to sell. Financially they are one of the most stable club and no way they are a selling club.

Everyone has been after Pogba but Juve hasn't been selling him. He seems to be extremely happy at Turin. They sold Vidal not because they are a selling club or they need money, they sold him because he is 30 and Juve has a lot of great players on that position.

[MaliBrah]

Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United, Juventus.

You asked for 1 and i just gave you 4. Start if if if if if if sentences now.

Juve just sold Coman and Vidal to Bayern but ok. Chelsea is a seller club, too, if they want to buy new players.

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United have bent over for Real Madrid almost every time they've come calling. A fax machine prevented it from happening again this past summer.