Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[Roy Tarpley]

I hope you guys are enjoying what we had to deal with last year.

Lakersground, and most Lakers fans, were great. Mods were great.

Byron Scott was terrible, and Kobe's ball-hogging was terrible. This year basically proved what many fans, including Lin fans, already knew -- that Kobe had a fork sticking out of his back and should defer to his teammates for the good of the team. D'Angelo Russell has said as much this year.

[leeramundo]

I hope you guys are enjoying what we had to deal with last year.

Lakersground, and most Lakers fans, were great. Mods were great.

Byron Scott was terrible, and Kobe's ball-hogging was terrible. This year basically proved what many fans, including Lin fans, already knew -- that Kobe had a fork sticking out of his back and should defer to his teammates for the good of the team. D'Angelo Russell has said as much this year.

Yeah, that guy's a troll. It wasn't bad at Lakersground at all really. Clutchfans was a cesspool because of both crazy Lin fans and legitimate haters (who apparently are still at it 2 seasons after Lin left). This board has been great.

[rayfantastic]

I hope you guys are enjoying what we had to deal with last year.

Clutchfans was a cesspool because of both crazy Lin fans and legitimate haters (who apparently are still at it 2 seasons after Lin left). This board has been great.

Clutchfans was a cesspool because the admin himself is a certified hater.

This board has been great. Yes. Not because people don't have different opinions or heated discussion, but because people are generally chill, reasonable and respectful. Let's keep it that way.

[ChokeFasncists]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/12/12/10014828/jeremy-lins-ever-changing-hairdo-is-apparently-decided-by-spencer

Hawes decides Lin's hair? ~lol~

The Hornets fans have to deal with the Lin horde this year, true. But they haven't had to deal with Scott, which you've had to deal with both last year and this. You get rid of BS, send Kobe off in a ticker tape parade, and you're gonna have an exciting team again.

I reckon Nash was the worst of all.

Lin really would have helped that team. Fit in with their gritty style and at the same time provide some speed.

lin would be able to help any team as a backup PG... but it is not a good fit..
lin's better in a space and pace system, Grizzlies is none of those
lin would not be a good fit for Hornets either if coach clifford has not changed the offensive style of the team..

Linsanity Lin, sure. But with a good coach, he'd learn to play in a more controlled style. I think that fits him most ultimately. He can't be charging towards the basket all the times at full speed and expect to have a long and successful career. IMO learning to be a deliberate facilitating point guard is very important for him.

His defense would fit right in, his clutch shooting, finding the big guys, don't need to worry as much about missing shots and TOs, leading the second unit, play with starters when they need offense or when Green isn't on.

Lakersground, and most Lakers fans, were great. Mods were great.

Yeah, that guy's a troll. It wasn't bad at Lakersground at all really. Clutchfans was a cesspool because of both crazy Lin fans and legitimate haters (who apparently are still at it 2 seasons after Lin left). This board has been great.

I guess he's talking about the RealGM Lakers board. Got some real over the top mods there.

[bws94]

I think Lin's shot is coming back little by little. The 3 is still not there but his mid-range shots haven't been bad lately. Lin's seeming to know a little better when to pick his spots when not PG of the 2nd unit and that's a good thing.

[Liver_Pooty]

Hes a great backup. Glad to have him here

[hood30]

Hes a great backup. Glad to have him here

At the very least, Lin is a top 5 back-up point guard who should also be utilized at the 2guard to give him more minutes.....I'm glad Clifford has finally realized Lin is no "15-20 minute" back-up and should be played 25-28 minutes every night.

I kind of feel sorry for Lamb because Lin's increased minutes has come mainly at the expense of Lamb which should not be so...Lamb is still shooting 48%FG but his 3point% has dropped massively..It was at 40% a week ago..Now, it's at 32%.

To give Lam more minutes, Clifford should garnish Kemba's minutes by 2-3 and give that to Lin at PG...that would also mean additional minutes for Lamb since Lin wouldn't have to play the SG minutes.

The best option to give Lamb and Lin at least 25 minutes every night would be to simply take P.J Hairston out of the rotation and start either Lamb or lin, but I doubt Cliff will do that......That would also break the bench-force-1 they have going which is great for the Hornet marketability around the league...The fact that they have the 4th best bench sound good to their hears, so they will keep P.J in the starting line-up no matter how bad he plays.

[razsan]

I hope you guys are enjoying what we had to deal with last year.

The Hornets fans have to deal with the Lin horde this year, true. But they haven't had to deal with Scott, which you've had to deal with both last year and this. You get rid of BS, send Kobe off in a ticker tape parade, and you're gonna have an exciting team again.

No they won't....Kobe and Byron aren't the only problem. They drafted a PG when they already had one. None of their bigs can play basketball and Nick Young still plays for them.

[13th Man]

I think Lin's shot is coming back little by little. The 3 is still not there but his mid-range shots haven't been bad lately. Lin's seeming to know a little better when to pick his spots when not PG of the 2nd unit and that's a good thing.

I woke up to say the same thing, his misses were noticeably closer.

Another good outing by Lin, he's making good decisions out there and his shot is slowly getting better. He played with confidence in the 4th as well, this is a good sign for Lin fans that he's finally starting to look comfortable on the court. Lin is a confidence/momentum type player, we've seen this both in Houston and L.A. where he'd go on horrible stretches then good stretches. I know you can say this about any player but I think it applies more so to Lin.

Sucks that we lost the game but it was bound to happen, the starters played tired like they crashed from a high from previous games which I don't really blame them with all their minutes played. You could tell Batum was off by his wide misses, Kemba was off as well. Lin was physically and mentally fresher so played with more energy and focus.

I don't mind Batum taking the last shot at all as he's been the team's leader, so not sure what the fuss is about. Lin just has to continue his positive play and be consistent, that's all I'm asking for right now

[Roy Tarpley]

Fun fact -- Lin played 32 minutes last night, which was the most he's played in a game this season.

[BatumtheGlue]

Better results for Lin after a injury induced slump.

Until he can learn to be consistent

and his numbers show a consistency he's been lacking due to slumps, injuries, back pain, ankle sprain, and playing time that varies from game-to-game its going to be a learning process, its still early in the season so he has plenty of time to get comfortable and gel with his teammates ~ don't expect much, too early.

with time I hope he can regain (consistently) his aggression and killer instinct, and supreme confidence he's shown flashes of.

People need to remember that for Lin Batum and others that are new to the roster, they are still getting comfortable.

The Cavs are still going through growing pains with their new roster and new additions.

Consistency and his handle are the biggest Lin's weaknesses. As a Hornets fan i really want to see him to fix it, but i think handle and consistency are the hardest things to fix, they are not like shooting. You always could improve your shooting if you give some time in the gym for it. The same thing won't happen easily with handle...it needs more talent than just a hardwork. Hardwork has its limit.

[Roy Tarpley]

I hate the "consistency" criticism of Lin. How do you define consistent? Kemba shoots 12-19 one day and 3-15 the next -- is that consistent? Batum gets a triple double one day and then coughs up 9 turnovers the next, is that consistent? Unless someone can demonstrate that the standard deviations in Lin's performance is any bigger than that for other players, the "inconsistency" criticism is bulls**t.

The "handles" weakness, I get. Lin needs to work on that but at this point, he is who he is. If you look at his season numbers across his career, he is remarkably consistent and you just have to accept the good (court vision, pace, defense, unselfishness) with the bad (handles, overhelping on defense).

[BatumtheGlue]

Consistency is the thing separates a scrub, an average, and a very good player. For consistency i think this year Lin has been consistent enough and i hope he could maintain it.

[gafun]

I think Clifford overplayed Kemba in the previous Memphis game when Hornets had big lead in 4th quarter. He looked so tired last night. You can see the impact (weak defense, weak assist, weak scoring) on the lineups when Kemba was PG in final 7 mins from the following link.

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/lineups/advanced/?t=cha&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

[RealHusky]

I hate the "consistency" criticism of Lin. How do you define consistent? Kemba shoots 12-19 one day and 3-15 the next -- is that consistent? Batum gets a triple double one day and then coughs up 9 turnovers the next, is that consistent? Unless someone can demonstrate that the standard deviations in Lin's performance is any bigger than that for other players, the "inconsistency" criticism is bulls**t.

The "handles" weakness, I get. Lin needs to work on that but at this point, he is who he is. If you look at his season numbers across his career, he is remarkably consistent and you just have to accept the good (court vision, pace, defense, unselfishness) with the bad (handles, overhelping on defense).

Great post and correct. None of the Hornets players are at even close to Curry level or all star level. If you allow most NBA players to shoot 19 times a game, they will have good and bad nights. Both Batum and Kemba are inconsistent but both have great nights. Batum would be 2nd to 5th option on most teams, so no one should expect him to carry the team. Only Lin and Kemba are the players that can create shots on Their own at anytime and either get fouled or finish. Lin so far simply don't get that chance nearly as much as Kemba because Kemba plays PG most of the time. Lin is also the better finisher around the rim, which baffles me why they didn't get him the ball last night and let him create vs. letting Batum launching an air ball in the end. Lin simply need more minutes playing PG.

[tmonk]

Consistency and his handle are the biggest Lin's weaknesses. As a Hornets fan i really want to see him to fix it, but i think handle and consistency are the hardest things to fix, they are not like shooting. You always could improve your shooting if you give some time in the gym for it. The same thing won't happen easily with handle...it needs more talent than just a hardwork. Hardwork has its limit.

[ChokeFasncists]

Lin is a confidence/momentum type player, we've seen this both in Houston and L.A. where he'd go on horrible stretches then good stretches. I know you can say this about any player but I think it applies more so to Lin.

Lin just has to continue his positive play and be consistent, that's all I'm asking for right now

That's a OK label on scorers but not good for PGs, hope he discards this soon and be consistent!

No they won't....Kobe and Byron aren't the only problem. They drafted a PG when they already had one. None of their bigs can play basketball and Nick Young still plays for them.

You mean Clarkson I guess? He's more of an SG

Lamb is still shooting 48%FG but his 3point% has dropped massively..It was at 40% a week ago..Now, it's at 32%.

To give Lam more minutes, Clifford should garnish Kemba's minutes by 2-3 and give that to Lin at PG...that would also mean additional minutes for Lamb since Lin wouldn't have to play the SG minutes.

~lol~
Lamb is venturing out to more 3 point shooting off PnR and ISO, not such a great idea. He is also letting fly more even with defenders in his face

I hate the "consistency" criticism of Lin. How do you define consistent? Kemba shoots 12-19 one day and 3-15 the next -- is that consistent? Batum gets a triple double one day and then coughs up 9 turnovers the next, is that consistent? Unless someone can demonstrate that the standard deviations in Lin's performance is any bigger than that for other players, the "inconsistency" criticism is bulls**t.

That's one reason neither Kemba nor Batum are considered a great player in this league. Lin's problem goes deeper, it's psychological a lot of times, he gets down when he makes a bad play or becomes hesitant when he misses a few shots. He is improving tho.

The "handles" weakness, I get. Lin needs to work on that but at this point, he is who he is. If you look at his season numbers across his career, he is remarkably consistent and you just have to accept the good (court vision, pace, defense, unselfishness) with the bad (handles, overhelping on defense).

Consistency and his handle are the biggest Lin's weaknesses. As a Hornets fan i really want to see him to fix it, but i think handle and consistency are the hardest things to fix, they are not like shooting. You always could improve your shooting if you give some time in the gym for it. The same thing won't happen easily with handle...it needs more talent than just a hardwork. Hardwork has its limit.

His handle isn't great but he has it improved a tons already. He is more aware of thieves when dribbling. He still needs more awareness when he drives.

Fun fact -- Lin played 32 minutes last night, which was the most he's played in a game this season.

Went checking......season low for Lamb......

[bws94]

I'd say Lin has an inconsistent approach to offensive activity and confidence. Whether Kemba is shooting 1-12 or 10-12 there is a certain consistency in his approach to the game. He's always confident and active. Lin sometimes on the floor seems to almost take himself out of plays and just point. That's OK sometimes but other times he's the best player on the floor (no Batum or Kemba) and he's still not that active. And with Batum/Kemba he's still working on his balance of activity and being a spacer and he's made decent progress there.

Lin's handles look good yesterday. He handled Bradley's pressure well. They do get lose and he does pick up his dribble too much at times. That's the one area of the game that holds him back from starting on good teams. But...

As a PG Lin I think over relies on the dribble/penetration. Yes that is part of every PGs game but Lin does almost all of his facilitation from a dribble/drive hand off to the big man or kick it out or circle under the rim shoot move (Nash inspired). He used to facilitate more from other areas, making more pocket passes, lobs, passes from other areas of the court. I'd like to see him expand in that area more to be a more complete PG. He can get predictable in the dribble/drive and vulnerable to strips and traps because he can't always split defenders. And at times, Lin is just too frantic. There's usually one area of a game where this happens. You need a PG to be cool and calm, not frantic. Aggressive, but not helter-skelter. It's just a period and he tones it down but it usually happens. The other thing is he at times drives into traffic. Good PGs don't stay in traffic too long and if they drive into traffic, they have 2 outlets in mind before and get the ball off quickly. The timing of Lin's passes aren't always there. Sometimes just a little too late. He has the tools to make a really good PG but still, even though he's 27, he started playing regularly later than most and is still developing his PG game.

[steady]

Will be posting a little less frequently because work is getting busier - although I will still be lurking!
What a great start to a season and what tremendous strides Hornets have made already.

I hope

- Cody continues to start at center
- Frank's minutes continue to go up and his passing , shooting , and defense continue to excel. I believe in his potential
- Kemba continues to be a team leader and stud he has shown himself to be
- Batum leads the team brilliantly and naturally as he has been (and gets some more minutes playing with bench)
- PJ continues to contribute but gets a bit less PT
- Al gets traded
- Lamb figures out how best to contribute with his extraordinary potential
- Marvin continues to be a bedrock contributor and silent force on this team
- Hawes thrives as he had been in his surprising even if sometimes infuriating way
- Lin - stays focused - keeps his vision of what he wants to contribute to this team in mind and stays patient. He made the right choice in coming here.

Go Hornets!!!!

[lin is ok]

Lin's ability to control the pace of the game from the PG position . so far is the best on the team.