Marcus Morris has been incredible

E-Balla · Post #21 » by **E-Balla** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:12 pm

laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
Proof?

I'd say Steph Curry probably blows him and any non Warrior out the water in +/-...

He doesn't. Curry has been unreal this year, but amazingly enough Morris has him beat in +/-. I'm pretty sure Curry is #2 right now.

Morris- plus 28.9
Curry- plus 26.8

That's not +/- that's on/off...

MotownMadness · Post #22 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:14 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:It won't last. Dude's a hothead and I wouldn't want him on my team.

Hes been fine here aside from a tech here or there. But we also have SVG and I can't picture Morris even trying that crap he did in Phoenix with a hot head like Stan lol.

laika · Post #23 » by **laika** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:15 pm

E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:I'd say Steph Curry probably blows him and any non Warrior out the water in +/-...

He doesn't. Curry has been unreal this year, but amazingly enough Morris has him beat in +/-. I'm pretty sure Curry is #2 right now.

Morris- plus 28.9
Curry- plus 26.8

That's not +/- that's on/off...

On/off is +/-. Where do you think the + and the - come from?

bstein14 · Post #24 » by **bstein14** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:22 pm

Curry leads the league in +/- and is followed by most of the Warriors starting lineup. That's what happens when you win by an average of 13 or 14 a night.

E-Balla · Post #25 » by **E-Balla** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:27 pm

laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
He doesn't. Curry has been unreal this year, but amazingly enough Morris has him beat in +/-. I'm pretty sure Curry is #2 right now.

Morris- plus 28.9
Curry- plus 26.8

That's not +/- that's on/off...

On/off is +/-. Where do you think the + and the - come from?

No +/- is a player's total point differential on the floor. On/off is how the team performs with a player on the court compared to how they perform with him off the court.

Just checked and Marcus is 10th in +/-:

1 Stephen Curry GS 372
2 Draymond Green GS 354
3 Andre Iguodala GS 259
4 Klay Thompson GS 250
5 Russell Westbrook OKC 211
6 Kawhi Leonard SA 209
7 Tim Duncan SA 197
8 LeBron James CLE 190
9 Harrison Barnes GS 182
10 Marcus Morris DET 172

HotelVitale · Post #26 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:31 pm

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

Morris is a very respectable 10th overall, but Curry has way more than twice as many overall plus pts as him (+372 to +172).

laika · Post #27 » by **laika** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:33 pm

E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:That's not +/- that's on/off...

On/off is +/-. Where do you think the + and the - come from?

No +/- is a player's total point differential on the floor. On/off is how the team performs with a player on the court compared to how they perform with him off the court.

Just checked and Marcus is 10th in +/-:

1 Stephen Curry GS 372
2 Draymond Green GS 354
3 Andre Iguodala GS 259
4 Klay Thompson GS 250
5 Russell Westbrook OKC 211
6 Kawhi Leonard SA 209
7 Tim Duncan SA 197
8 LeBron James CLE 190
9 Harrison Barnes GS 182
10 Marcus Morris DET 172

Wrong. Those are the Oncourt numbers only. The name +/- would make zero sense if what you are saying is correct. Where would the "-" part of the equation come in?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/basketball-plus-minus.aspx

It is confusing though since various sites routinely use +/- incorrectly. Sportingcharts manages to give two different definitions on the same site.

mastermixer · Post #28 » by **mastermixer** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:37 pm

laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
On/off is +/-. Where do you think the + and the - come from?

No +/- is a player's total point differential on the floor. On/off is how the team performs with a player on the court compared to how they perform with him off the court.

Just checked and Marcus is 10th in +/-:

1 Stephen Curry GS 372
2 Draymond Green GS 354
3 Andre Iguodala GS 259
4 Klay Thompson GS 250
5 Russell Westbrook OKC 211
6 Kawhi Leonard SA 209
7 Tim Duncan SA 197
8 LeBron James CLE 190
9 Harrison Barnes GS 182
10 Marcus Morris DET 172

Wrong. Those are the Oncourt numbers only. The name +/- would make zero sense if what you are saying is correct. Where would the "-" part of the equation come in?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/basketball-plus-minus.aspx

It is confusing though since various sites routinely use +/- incorrectly. Sportingcharts manages to give two different definitions on the same site.

Rekt

bstein14 · Post #29 » by **bstein14** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:40 pm

Still an impressive thing for Morris... who usually leaves the game early in the first to come out and play with the bench unit to start he 2nd quarter. He's often in the game with 4 bench players (Blake, Johnson, Tolliver and Baynes)

E-Balla · Post #30 » by **E-Balla** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:42 pm

laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
On/off is +/-. Where do you think the + and the - come from?

No +/- is a player's total point differential on the floor. On/off is how the team performs with a player on the court compared to how they perform with him off the court.

Just checked and Marcus is 10th in +/-:

1 Stephen Curry GS 372
2 Draymond Green GS 354
3 Andre Iguodala GS 259
4 Klay Thompson GS 250
5 Russell Westbrook OKC 211
6 Kawhi Leonard SA 209
7 Tim Duncan SA 197
8 LeBron James CLE 190
9 Harrison Barnes GS 182
10 Marcus Morris DET 172

Wrong. Those are the Oncourt numbers only. The name +/- would make zero sense if what you are saying is correct. Where would the "-" part of the equation come in?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/basketball-plus-minus.aspx

It is confusing though since various sites routinely use +/- incorrectly. Sportingcharts manages to give two different definitions on the same site.

It has the name +/- because they took it from hockey. Sure that's maybe what the definition is supposed to be but its never used that way. The +/- on the NBA site is a players point differential per game, the +/- on the site that gave you that definition is the total point differential and anywhere you go for +/- numbers (let's say 82 games) will have point differential on the floor listed. Search on/off and you get on and off the court comparisons.

So yeah maybe the definition of +/- is supposed to be the same as on/off but they aren't the same thing and when you cite +/- its automatically assumed you're referring to the number everyone else calls +/- and not on/off.

Still Marcus has been impressive. Along with KCP and Dre they are playing great defense.

bstein14 · Post #31 » by **bstein14** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:45 pm

+/- the Minus is when a player is in the negative when on the court. You can look on nba.com for +/- stats leaders

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

From NBA.COM, Plus/Minus is "The point differential of the score for a player while they are on the court."

Morris is currently 10th in +/- right now.

laika · Post #32 » by **laika** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:48 pm

E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:No +/- is a player's total point differential on the floor. On/off is how the team performs with a player on the court compared to how they perform with him off the court.

Just checked and Marcus is 10th in +/-:

1 Stephen Curry GS 372
2 Draymond Green GS 354
3 Andre Iguodala GS 259
4 Klay Thompson GS 250
5 Russell Westbrook OKC 211
6 Kawhi Leonard SA 209
7 Tim Duncan SA 197
8 LeBron James CLE 190
9 Harrison Barnes GS 182
10 Marcus Morris DET 172

Wrong. Those are the Oncourt numbers only. The name +/- would make zero sense if what you are saying is correct. Where would the "-" part of the equation come in?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/basketball-plus-minus.aspx

It is confusing though since various sites routinely use +/- incorrectly. Sportingcharts manages to give two different definitions on the same site.

It has the name +/- because they took it from hockey. Sure that's maybe what the definition is supposed to be but its never used that way. The +/- on the NBA site is a players point differential per game, the +/- on the site that gave you that definition is the total point differential and anywhere you go for +/- numbers (let's say 82 games) will have point differential on the floor listed. Search on/off and you get on and off the court comparisons.

So yeah maybe the definition of +/- is supposed to be the same as on/off but they aren't the same thing and when you cite +/- its automatically assumed you're referring to the number everyone else calls +/- and not on/off.

Still Marcus has been impressive. Along with KCP and Dre they are playing great defense.

NBA.com also gives contradictory definitions. They define it correctly but then post it incorrectly. I guess I could start calling it On/Off since so many sites are using +/- incorrectly.

laika · Post #33 » by **laika** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:49 pm

bstein14 wrote:+/- the Minus is when a player is in the negative when on the court. You can look on nba.com for +/- stats leaders

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

From NBA.COM, Plus/Minus is "The point differential of the score for a player while they are on the court."

Morris is currently 10th in +/- right now.

On the same site-
"The +/- stat looks at point differential when players are in and out of a game, demonstrating how teams perform with various combinations. "

http://stats.nba.com/help/glossary

bstein14 · Post #34 » by **bstein14** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:52 pm

+/- has always been how the team performs when you are on the court. There is a different stat which is on court / off court differential which is what you're referring to . http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

Son of Ra · Post #35 » by **Son of Ra** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:46 pm

And even if he becomes an allstar for years to come I am just glad he is off the Suns. I don't think very many Suns fans miss him.
Now we just have to rid ourselves of Markieff which seems to be happening soon anyways.

zeebneeb · Post #36 » by **zeebneeb** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:49 pm

Regardless of where he falls on the +/- (1st or tenth) that speaks volumes as to just how good he has been for us. His defense is just outstanding and together with the starters the Pistons starting unit has the 2nd best DEFRTG in the league just behind the spurs.

Morris is also our best iso player and plays almost exactly like Rasheed used to on the block.

What an unreal pickup he has been and a perfect fit alongside our starting unit.

Cuban_Linx · Post #37 » by **Cuban_Linx** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:56 pm

laika wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
On/off is +/-. Where do you think the + and the - come from?

No +/- is a player's total point differential on the floor. On/off is how the team performs with a player on the court compared to how they perform with him off the court.

Just checked and Marcus is 10th in +/-:

1 Stephen Curry GS 372
2 Draymond Green GS 354
3 Andre Iguodala GS 259
4 Klay Thompson GS 250
5 Russell Westbrook OKC 211
6 Kawhi Leonard SA 209
7 Tim Duncan SA 197
8 LeBron James CLE 190
9 Harrison Barnes GS 182
10 Marcus Morris DET 172

Wrong. Those are the Oncourt numbers only. The name +/- would make zero sense if what you are saying is correct. Where would the "-" part of the equation come in?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/basketball-plus-minus.aspx

It is confusing though since various sites routinely use +/- incorrectly. Sportingcharts manages to give two different definitions on the same site.

The + stands for how many points your team scores with you on the court and the - is how many your team allows with you on the court. The end result is the differential.

Either way I didn't know he's been this good. Nice pickup for the Suns.

laika · Post #38 » by **laika** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:09 pm

bstein14 wrote:+/- has always been how the team performs when you are on the court. There is a different stat which is on court / off court differential which is what you're referring to . http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

I don't agree that it makes any sense to call Oncourt "+/-". As I've already pointed out, +/- is defined differently in various spots. But regardless, here are the On/Off leaders for those who are interested-

Marcus Morris 28.9
Curry------------ 26.8
Green----------- 24.3
Caldwell-Pope 23.4
James----------- 23.3
R Jackson------ 21.3
Drummond----- 20.8
Westbrook----- 20.3
Dellavedova---- 19.1
Middleton------ 16.4

Post #39 » by **Jakay** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:01 pm

laika wrote:
bstein14 wrote:+/- has always been how the team performs when you are on the court. There is a different stat which is on court / off court differential which is what you're referring to . http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

I don't agree that it makes any sense to call Oncourt "+/-". As I've already pointed out, +/- is defined differently in various spots. But regardless, here are the On/Off leaders for those who are interested-

Marcus Morris 28.9
Curry------------ 26.8
Green----------- 24.3
Caldwell-Pope 23.4
James----------- 23.3
R Jackson------ 21.3
Drummond----- 20.8
Westbrook----- 20.3
Dellavedova---- 19.1
Middleton------ 16.4

I don't agree that Freethrows are free. You gotta earn that trip. But what can you do.

HotelVitale · Post #40 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:38 pm

laika wrote:
bstein14 wrote:+/- has always been how the team performs when you are on the court. There is a different stat which is on court / off court differential which is what you're referring to . http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/
I don't agree that it makes any sense to call Oncourt "+/-". As I've already pointed out, +/- is defined differently in various spots. But regardless, here are the On/Off leaders for those who are interested-
Marcus Morris 28.9
Curry------------ 26.8
Green----------- 24.3
Caldwell-Pope 23.4
James----------- 23.3
R Jackson------ 21.3
Drummond----- 20.8...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this just show that the DET bench is really really bad? The whole team is only +1.8 on the season, and Morris plays 38 mpg. For those 10 mpg he's not playing, the unti playing must be historically wretched to make Morris' on/off look that good.