Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Bishop45]

Bishop seeing the double team and passing out of it is not a simple play. Lol

That's the point you're undertaking how difficult that is for a big man.

How is it not, you understand the help is coming and that you're in a vulnerable position. I understand that it is hard when the pressure is already there but not otherwise. Honestly speaking I'm not sure what you mean

[jereseja]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

Alot of crap here.
his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan(max player)
First Spo must have some offensive sheme for Whiteside then they must practice and then we could said what is his celling but Heat doesnt have 1 offfensive action for Whiteside until then i dont have crystal ball to know.

A lot of stupidity here.

Because I didn't mention a thing about how much Whiteside would get paid. He will definitely get offered the max despite his limitations, just like how Deandre got the max despite his limitations. What I'm talking about is all the complaining about his game and what he's being allowed to do.

And i answear your question first Heat must deside what they want with Whiteside and other players becouse now u dont know if they are going LA Lakers way or some other way. Solution is trade players,change offensive system,change coaching, change iso Wade ball (choose one).
I like Wade and Miami becouse first live NBA game i saw was Miami-Chicago when i live in Miami and i know is tuff for Wade but he,Spo and Riley must deside which way he will go out(like Kobe,Pierce,DUncan or something different),
They all are talking like Wade is 25 and everything is 100%

[RexBoyWonder]

I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?

[Shewasfly]

Of course the conversation never ceases to devolve into it being Wade's fault that this isn't working lol

OK Heat fans

[jereseja]

No Wade will play till 45 like 99% other players. These is team sport not one man show. If u are bandwagon man better chose individual sport i suggest my good friend Novak Djokovic hes really good last 5 years and have alot badwagoners.
Just stuppid

[Shewasfly]

Actually I think Memphis and Miami could just swap starting SGs it'd be the perfect situation for everybody. Courtney Lee can actually shoot the ball and Wade can play with 3 other play makers instead of 0: Mike Conley, Gasol, & Randolph. If you can find a filler to pair with Lee it works for both teams. The only bad part is that the only scapegoat we'll have left is Spo.

[RexBoyWonder]

Of course the conversation never ceases to devolve into it being Wade's fault that this isn't working lol

OK Heat fans

Can you stop being a 12 YO.

It's nobody's fault, it's just a fact the core of those 5 players don't fit.

You can make the exact same argument with a different example :

Isaiah Thomas
Wade
Justise
Ryan Anderson
Whiteside

In this case we swap Bosh and Dragon for more prolific 3 point shooters, and again create a better fit.

Wade is the most beloved piece but also the oldest one, that's why I wonder which of our 5 core pieces do we really consider "core" going forward.

Dragon just signed a 5 year deal
Wade is the franchise, most beloved]
Justise is on the best contract, youngest, highest upside
Bosh is on a 5 year deal
Whiteside has the rarest skillset

Do we insist on keeping all 5 despite the lack of natural fit?

If not, who do we move?

[jereseja]

Wade will go out in Miami and is correct thing to do, they just need to deside how.

[goodboy]

[Shewasfly]

Of course the conversation never ceases to devolve into it being Wade's fault that this isn't working lol

OK Heat fans

Can you stop being a 12 YO.

It's nobody's fault, it's just a fact the core of those 5 players don't fit.

You can make the exact same argument with a different example :

Isaiah Thomas
Wade
Justise
Ryan Anderson
Whiteside

In this case we swap Bosh and Dragon for more prolific 3 point shooters, and again create a better fit.

Wade is the most beloved piece but also the oldest one, that's why I wonder which of our 5 core pieces do we really consider "core" going forward.

Dragon just signed a 5 year deal
Wade is the franchise, most beloved]
Justise is on the best contract, youngest, highest upside
Bosh is on a 5 year deal
Whiteside has the rarest skillset

12 years old because I'm not delusional to think a team with Dragic, Bosh, and Whiteside is scaring anybody??

I think you all just want this thing to work with Dragic soooo bad you're deluding yourselves. HE is the one who doesn't fit. HE is the one who becomes utterly useless once in the half court. Age or not Wade can have an effect on the game playing fast or slow. So can Bosh so can Whiteside. Wade is the only one who can make plays for himself and others with any consistency on this team. He is still our best player, it doesn't have a thing to do with being beloved (which he's not on this board anyway). You all keep leaning on the age excuse as if Wade's age is making Dragic be utter garbage that is not worth half his contract. And I like how age is a factor yet Bosh is apart of our long term plans, when in another thread Melo sucks because he's old yet he's younger than Bosh.

You all pick and choose who and what situations you want to be reasonable about.

[Bishop45]

Thread is lit! lol

[jereseja]

U must be really slow.
RexBoyWonder suggest Dragic trade i wrote 2 days ago about trade Whiteside,Dragic for Melo so everybody who loves iso basketball and heroballs play will have Christmas every game.I know your idol is older every day but these is true to.
Iam done with these childtalk.
Peace

[RexBoyWonder]

Of course the conversation never ceases to devolve into it being Wade's fault that this isn't working lol

OK Heat fans

Can you stop being a 12 YO.

It's nobody's fault, it's just a fact the core of those 5 players don't fit.

You can make the exact same argument with a different example :

Isaiah Thomas
Wade
Justise
Ryan Anderson
Whiteside

In this case we swap Bosh and Dragon for more prolific 3 point shooters, and again create a better fit.

Wade is the most beloved piece but also the oldest one, that's why I wonder which of our 5 core pieces do we really consider "core" going forward.

Dragon just signed a 5 year deal
Wade is the franchise, most beloved]
Justise is on the best contract, youngest, highest upside
Bosh is on a 5 year deal
Whiteside has the rarest skillset

12 years old because I'm not delusional to think a team with Dragic, Bosh, and Whiteside is scaring anybody??

I think you all just want this thing to work with Dragic soooo bad you're deluding yourselves. HE is the one who doesn't fit. HE is the one who becomes utterly useless once in the half court. Age or not Wade can have an effect on the game playing fast or slow. So can Bosh so can Whiteside. Wade is the only one who can make plays for himself and others with any consistency on this team. He is still our best player. You all keep leaning on the age excuse as if Wade's age is making Dragic be utter garbage that is not worth half his contract. And I like how age is a factor yet Bosh is apart of our long term plans, when in another thread Melo sucks because he's old.

You all pick and choose who and what situations you want to be reasonable about.

Why are you so frigging defensive. Read my original post again after My edit, I plainly ask which pieces should we move, If you think moving Dragic and Bosh is the Answer that's fine, that's why we're having this discussion.

I think both Dragic and Bosh have a market out there, I'm not sure if we can land better fitting vets for them but we should be able to get some nice picks attached to average players and try to rebuild through the draft, the issue then becomes - do we want to Waste Wade's last year with a super young team around him.

[QUIZ]

Bishop seeing the double team and passing out of it is not a simple play. Lol

That's the point you're undertaking how difficult that is for a big man.

How is it not, you understand the help is coming and that you're in a vulnerable position. I understand that it is hard when the pressure is already there but not otherwise. Honestly speaking I'm not sure what you mean

The game is moving at NBA speed. It's all very overwhelming as is evident by the way he reacts when trapped, its not an indictment of his game it is what it is most bigs deal with something similar.

As far as how far his passing can go I think he can be better than he currently is. For example I hope that in the future he can receive a post pass from Wade and try to initiate his move and if he runs into trouble quickly kick it back out to Wade. I don't see him ever getting much further than that though.

Right now he struggles with the simple play but thats because he's still relatively new to the league and the comfort isn't there yet. If he can learn to to simply pass it back out whenever he's in danger of committing a turnover I think it'd go a long way in improving his and our teams game.

But he's never going to be able to accept the double team and find the open shooter. Thats just way too much.

[Bishop45]

Bishop seeing the double team and passing out of it is not a simple play. Lol

That's the point you're undertaking how difficult that is for a big man.

How is it not, you understand the help is coming and that you're in a vulnerable position. I understand that it is hard when the pressure is already there but not otherwise. Honestly speaking I'm not sure what you mean

The game is moving at NBA speed. It's all very overwhelming as is evident by the way he reacts when trapped, its not an indictment of his game it is what it is most bigs deal with something similar.

As far as how far his passing can go I think he can be better than he currently is. For example I hope that in the future he can receive a post pass from Wade and try to initiate his move and if he runs into trouble quickly kick it back out to Wade. I don't see him ever getting much further than that though.

Right now he struggles with the simple play but thats because he's still relatively new to the league and the comfort isn't there yet. If he can learn to to simply pass it back out whenever he's in danger of committing a turnover I think it'd go a long way in improving his and our teams game.

But he's never going to be able to accept the double team and find the open shooter. Thats just way too much.

That's simply all I'm saying. If our shooters could garner some chemistry like that with him, that'd be nice too lol. I don't think it's impossible, we need to try some new things, is all...

[QUIZ]

I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?

I agree, I think we need to figure out who we want our core to be going forward and build around them. Put together pieces to fully maximize their talents.

The thing is I don't know who Riley considers our core to be. Honestly I don't think anybody is safe, the contracts we have can be moved. We'll see what Pat has in mind next offseason.

[Shewasfly]

Can you stop being a 12 YO.

It's nobody's fault, it's just a fact the core of those 5 players don't fit.

You can make the exact same argument with a different example :

Isaiah Thomas
Wade
Justise
Ryan Anderson
Whiteside

In this case we swap Bosh and Dragon for more prolific 3 point shooters, and again create a better fit.

Wade is the most beloved piece but also the oldest one, that's why I wonder which of our 5 core pieces do we really consider "core" going forward.

Dragon just signed a 5 year deal
Wade is the franchise, most beloved]
Justise is on the best contract, youngest, highest upside
Bosh is on a 5 year deal
Whiteside has the rarest skillset

12 years old because I'm not delusional to think a team with Dragic, Bosh, and Whiteside is scaring anybody??

I think you all just want this thing to work with Dragic soooo bad you're deluding yourselves. HE is the one who doesn't fit. HE is the one who becomes utterly useless once in the half court. Age or not Wade can have an effect on the game playing fast or slow. So can Bosh so can Whiteside. Wade is the only one who can make plays for himself and others with any consistency on this team. He is still our best player. You all keep leaning on the age excuse as if Wade's age is making Dragic be utter garbage that is not worth half his contract. And I like how age is a factor yet Bosh is apart of our long term plans, when in another thread Melo sucks because he's old.

You all pick and choose who and what situations you want to be reasonable about.

Why are you so frigging defensive. Read my original post again after My edit, I plainly ask which pieces should we move, If you think moving Dragic and Bosh is the Answer that's fine, that's why we're having this discussion.

I think both Dragic and Bosh have a market out there, I'm not sure if we can land better fitting vets for them but we should be able to get some nice picks attached to average players and try to rebuild through the draft, the issue then becomes - do we want to Waste Wade's last year with a super young team around him.

But you called me 12. I'm not trying to be defensive with you.

I don't think we'll be able to trade for any real sure fire young talent with anybody on our roster, including Bosh and Dragic, so to me that's not an option. Nobody is going to trade Wiggins or Antetokoumpo for Bosh and I don't really trust Spo to develop players from the draft tbh.

I don't want to trade either Bosh or Whiteside or Wade. So yes that leaves Dragic. Somebody said something about the Heat being interested in trading for Melo. I would not mind sending Dragic out for Melo. I haven't looked at the salaries so I dunno who else would need to go to make it work, but that is a trade I wouldn't mind. Melo was overrated his whole career now he is a bit underrated because he hasn't been able to have any success since Denver.

But I think that's a drastic change. I actually don't even think we need to go that crazy if we get a better system and some guys who can hit shots. I still contend that Dragic is not worth what we paid him at all (been saying that since the summer) but the lack of spacing makes it hard on everyone.

[jereseja]

Every player has hes tools and these tools are worth market price. How u then use these tools in your team is your thing.
Example:Dragic with hes tools in these offensive system is not worth 10m in GSW,Phoenix,ORL,CHA.... hes worh 21.5mil per sesaon and the same is with everyplayer. Its simple and until Riley and Spo wont deside what they want will be chaos.

[RexBoyWonder]

I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?

I agree, I think we need to figure out who we want our core to be going forward and build around them. Put together pieces to fully maximize their talents.

The thing is I don't know who Riley considers our core to be. Honestly I don't think anybody is safe, the contracts we have can be moved. We'll see what Pat has in mind next offseason.

It's an impossible situation. trying to move any of these 5 is complicate as ****

Dragic - Which better 3 point shooting, non primary ball handler can we get? Almost non out there
Wade - Which stud can take his place? Plus He is Heat basketball, it's beyond his current play.
Justise -moving a high upside rookie..for what? What's his value? super risky
Bosh - He can shot well for a PF, Ryan Anderson is probably the only better shooting PF out there. Plus we have history.
Whiteside - Can't be replaced with his skillset, if we don't resign we lose him for nothing

I really don't know. Looking at skillset, we need to move pieces. looking at the players, it's impossible to move anyone.

Might need to Pray Justise becomes a shooter, Dragic and Bosh get hot in the playoffs, and we add some great shooters to the bench besides TJ.

[Slot Machine]

I think it's fairly likely Whiteside will move on after this season so that dilemma might be solved for us.