Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Kilo]

Not a trade, but I also didn't want to clutter your board so I will ask this here - How much of a lock is Horford re-signing with Atlanta? Is there any chance he leaves? ATL willing to match any offer (making money considerations equal)?

Coach and PBO Bud likes his guys so he's basically a lock to attempt to do whatever he can to resign Al no matter what it takes, be that good or bad.

There may be a little mutually beneficial negotiation on the numbers and years in between much like with Millsap which I'd be hopeful for since Al's rebounding and toughness is at an all-time low so far.

Al doesn't have any really long standing issues with the organization or fans, he's escaped a metric ton of criticism because of other larger lightning rods surrounding him throughout his career (Joe Johnson and his contracts plus laid back attitude then Josh Smith and his all around stubbornness). He chirped a bit in the past about wanting to play PF but has been mum on that for a few years now, even verbally accepted it last season. Regardless, he'd drastically limit his market if he's at all solely motivated with being another team's 4 given that he'd have to find a team that 1) sees him as 4, 2) has the cap to pay him what he'd like, 3) views him as an All Star at the 4 worthy of spending a large chunk of that cap in the first place.

I won't say he's a lock to stay because the NBA can be very fluid over a full season but I'd say there's very little chance he leaves though.

Much appreciated. I was just thinking about him in Detroit is all. We have a opening at PF and max money to spend in the off-season before we extend Drummond.

[MaceCase]

Not a trade, but I also didn't want to clutter your board so I will ask this here - How much of a lock is Horford re-signing with Atlanta? Is there any chance he leaves? ATL willing to match any offer (making money considerations equal)?

Coach and PBO Bud likes his guys so he's basically a lock to attempt to do whatever he can to resign Al no matter what it takes, be that good or bad.

There may be a little mutually beneficial negotiation on the numbers and years in between much like with Millsap which I'd be hopeful for since Al's rebounding and toughness is at an all-time low so far.

Al doesn't have any really long standing issues with the organization or fans, he's escaped a metric ton of criticism because of other larger lightning rods surrounding him throughout his career (Joe Johnson and his contracts plus laid back attitude then Josh Smith and his all around stubbornness). He chirped a bit in the past about wanting to play PF but has been mum on that for a few years now, even verbally accepted it last season. Regardless, he'd drastically limit his market if he's at all solely motivated with being another team's 4 given that he'd have to find a team that 1) sees him as 4, 2) has the cap to pay him what he'd like, 3) views him as an All Star at the 4 worthy of spending a large chunk of that cap in the first place.

I won't say he's a lock to stay because the NBA can be very fluid over a full season but I'd say there's very little chance he leaves though.

Much appreciated. I was just thinking about him in Detroit is all. We have a opening at PF and max money to spend in the off-season before we extend Drummond.

Detroit could be a good fit. He played high school ball up in Michigan as I'm sure you know and him with his developed 3 pointer and consistent midrange J could pair well with Drummond in SVG's system. I'd say if Detroit can put together a good season + a decent playoff run they could become an outside contender for his services.

[Vindicater]

Pekovic + 1st round pick swap next year.

for

Splitter and Mike Scott

[MaceCase]

Pekovic + 1st round pick swap next year.

for

Splitter and Mike Scott

Pek would probably be the only center even more injury prone than Splitter. I'd say it's a pass, the pick swap has potential (if it has no protections) but this is a win now core.

[bigmandinky]

Knicks fan here.

I feel like last years playoffs prove you need a true #1 option if you want to be more than just a treadmill team (this year it looks like you might not even be a top 4 seed).

Melo for Millsap + Shroder

We get a young pg who can be a good backup and maybe surpass Gallo plus a solid bigman who can help mentor Porz. You guys get an elite scorer that will finally let you give Lebron a run for his money (and maybe not get swept this year).

[dms269]

Knicks fan here.

I feel like last years playoffs prove you need a true #1 option if you want to be more than just a treadmill team (this year it looks like you might not even be a top 4 seed).

Melo for Millsap + Shroder

We get a young pg who can be a good backup and maybe surpass Gallo plus a solid bigman who can help mentor Porz. You guys get an elite scorer that will finally let you give Lebron a run for his money (and maybe not get swept this year).

I can't see a way that Atlanta gives up all that for Melo. His salary combined with his score first mentality makes it a no go.

[ATL Boy]

Knicks fan here.

I feel like last years playoffs prove you need a true #1 option if you want to be more than just a treadmill team (this year it looks like you might not even be a top 4 seed).

Melo for Millsap + Shroder

We get a young pg who can be a good backup and maybe surpass Gallo plus a solid bigman who can help mentor Porz. You guys get an elite scorer that will finally let you give Lebron a run for his money (and maybe not get swept this year).

Hawks say no. Melo is an iso player who won't fit into this system at all, been there done that.

Millsap has been our best player and is turning into a worthy go to player, and Schroder is a player we have high hopes for in the future, when he starts playing more under control basketball.

And it's way too early to say that we won't even be top 4 this year: we're tied for second with the Raptors and Hornets right now.

[Jamaaliver]

I feel like last years playoffs prove you need a true #1 option if you want to be more than just a treadmill team (this year it looks like you might not even be a top 4 seed).

Melo for Millsap + Schroeder

You guys get an elite scorer that will finally let you give Lebron a run for his money (and maybe not get swept this year).

This is a topic we discussed earlier this Fall.

Last summer (2014), fans here were overwhelmingly giddy at the prospect of bringing in a player like 'Melo and adding him to the core of guys we had. (Though there were a few dissenters even then.) But seeing as our Hawk team set a franchise record for reg season victories and graced the Conf Finals for the first time in ATL history...it's understandable we'd be hesitant to ship out our best player for a guy who might not be an ideal fit for this squad.

In truth: Millsap has been the steadier, more consistent, more efficient player of the two. He has better offensive rating, defensive rating, PER, win-shares, rebounding rate. Here

They are roughly the same age, same size, similar skillset.
Melo is a more talented player, capable of lighting up a scoreboard at a moments notice.
But Millsap has been the better player since the start of 2014.

With all that said...I'd trade Millsap for a healthy Carmelo straight up. (I'd maybe toss in a 2nd rounder or a pick swap moving forward)

And pretty much for the exact reason you stated above: in the playoffs...we need a dependable #1 option to score buckets at key moments. Our offense fell apart against WAS and CLE where we went loooong stretches without scoring.

Melo could fix that.

Opposing wings like Lebron, J Butler and P George often get to rest against our wings because none can get their own bucket or make them expend much energy guearding them.

Melo could fix that.

Our three best frontcourt players (Tiago, Horford and Millsap) currently play the same two positions, making it difficult to get all three effectively on the court at once in big moments.

Melo could fix that.

But I'm in the minority for this opinion. And there'd be huge risk for us. It could ruin our chemistry on the court-- the way Melo often stops the ball. In addition, Millsap is our best front court defender and best two way player. Losing him diminishes our front court depth greatly. A huge concern considering the injury history of Horford and Tiago.

These are the main reasons it probably won't happen.

But Melo for Millsap would leave us with a potentially stellar starting lineup:

Tiago ------------ Mozgov
Horford ------------ Love
Melo ----------- LeBron
Thabo ---------- Shumpert
Teague ----------- Kyrie

That'd be a helluva battle come playoff time.


NOTE: There's no way in H3LL we'd include Dennis in this trade.

[Rapsfan07]

Raptor fan here.

How much for Horford?

[MaceCase]

Raptor fan here.

How much for Horford?

For the Raptors or in general? For the Raptors they are bad trade partners, anyone worthwhile on your squad you'd balk at moving because of Horford's contract status.

[Rapsfan07]

Raptor fan here.

How much for Horford?

For the Raptors or in general? For the Raptors they are bad trade partners, anyone worthwhile on your squad you'd balk at moving because of Horford's contract status.

I'd deal the NYK/DEN 2016 1st for him happily but we'd need to know for sure that he'll sign with us and we'd need to move some salary to make it work. Might require a third team to make it work.

I think he'd make a perfect fit here

[MaceCase]

Raptor fan here.

How much for Horford?

For the Raptors or in general? For the Raptors they are bad trade partners, anyone worthwhile on your squad you'd balk at moving because of Horford's contract status.

I'd deal the NYK/DEN 2016 1st for him happily but we'd need to know for sure that he'll sign with us and we'd need to move some salary to make it work. Might require a third team to make it work.

I think he'd make a perfect fit here

This is why I say both teams are bad trade partners.

There's absolutely no way you could have assurances that Horford would resign, certainly not from Hawks management. Even if you get in a sit down with the player to gauge his interest you'd still have to roll the dice that you can entice him through both money and team situation and hope that no other team options are equally or more enticing.

Then of course it's doubtful that the Hawks would give up the season and dump Horford for nothing more than a pick so closely removed from an ECF appearance. You'd have to find some combo of win now pieces mixed with maybe a young prospect/pick to get Budenholzer to bite because as it stands, he doesn't seem to be too enamored with picks or prospects on their own.

[Rapsfan07]

For the Raptors or in general? For the Raptors they are bad trade partners, anyone worthwhile on your squad you'd balk at moving because of Horford's contract status.

I'd deal the NYK/DEN 2016 1st for him happily but we'd need to know for sure that he'll sign with us and we'd need to move some salary to make it work. Might require a third team to make it work.

I think he'd make a perfect fit here

This is why I say both teams are bad trade partners.

There's absolutely no way you could have assurances that Horford would resign, certainly not from Hawks management. Even if you get in a sit down with the player to gauge his interest you'd still have to roll the dice that you can entice him through both money and team situation and hope that no other team options are equally or more enticing.

Then of course it's doubtful that the Hawks would give up the season and dump Horford for nothing more than a pick so closely removed from an ECF appearance. You'd have to find some combo of win now pieces mixed with maybe a young prospect/pick to get Budenholzer to bite because as it stands, he doesn't seem to be too enamored with picks or prospects on their own.

Well it's early and the East is pretty wide open but the Hawks aren't doing well and you have to admit it's a very real possibility that Horford could leave this summer. If that is this case, you might just lose him for nothing. No win now pieces and certainly no young prospects. This conversation would probably be better to have closer to the deadline when every team is a little more clear on where they stand, but a lotto pick isn't a bad consolation.

[MaceCase]

Well it's early and the East is pretty wide open but the Hawks aren't doing well and you have to admit it's a very real possibility that Horford could leave this summer. If that is this case, you might just lose him for nothing. No win now pieces and certainly no young prospects. This conversation would probably be better to have closer to the deadline when every team is a little more clear on where they stand, but a lotto pick isn't a bad consolation.

You're absolutely right that the East is pretty wide open but the Hawks have a winning record still and aren't far removed from the top seed same as the Raptors aren't far removed from being in the lotto. In fact, the Knicks aren't far removed from any playoff seed themselves to be already labeling their pick as a lotto one, so yes, perhaps this is a conversation better left having closer to the deadline than assuming any worst or best case scenarios in December.

[PandaKidd]

Rick Kamla on 92.9 the Game is saying he has information that the Hawks are working on a trade, that they have been working on for awhile.

Will talk about it at 11:20 ................

[PandaKidd]

About Horford, FA of his caliber (guys with multiple suitors) dont get traded usually for much of anything. MAYBE draft picks but not super high picks unless a team is in WIN NOW mode. Its just not worth it. The team giving up Horford would have to get back something of value because the chip they have with Horford is they can pay him the MOST. SO they have incentive to keep him and he has incentive to stay.

If you trade him to another team, it has to be to someone who is almost 100% sure hes getting an extension this summer. Why give up assets for a guy you could just sign outright in the offseason?

The most trade able piece imo is Teague. My money would be on him being moved.

[PandaKidd]

Hes saying Dwight Howard is a "DONE DEAL" to be traded to the Hawks lol

[Rip2137]

Yeah, just heard that. Horford, Scott and Mack for Howard....OKAY Rick.

[PandaKidd]

I dont like it, D12 is like the antithesis of what the Hawks have become.

Now, having said that, if those guys go, you become Slpitter back up to D12, you lose some depth at PF, your backup PF would be .....Muscala ?

I mean right now you can rotate Horford/Millsap/Muscala/Scott depending on who is playing C. If you trade 2 of those guys, you lose some at PF because D12 isnt playing PF lol

[Jamaaliver]

Hes saying Dwight Howard is a "DONE DEAL" to be traded to the Hawks lol

I dont like it, D12 is like the antithesis of what the Hawks have become.

Definitely a thought I've had in recent days. Makes sense for both teams....from an Xs and Os standpoint.

Howard and Millsap would make a defensive tandem greater than any other in the league.
He'd improve rebounding, interior defense and benefit from all the spacing we provide.

Horford isn't a lead dog and is best suited as a sidekick to a high usage perimeter player.

It actually makes great sense. Attempting to bring back the same team from last year was a mistake....and getting three defensive oriented Centers in a 6 month span should alleviate any deficiencies in that area.

But Howards behavior, leadership, selfishness are all of great concern. He doesn't have the same intangibles Horford has in spades....

This is a risk. But a pretty solid move. I think it puts us in the conversation of top team in the East again if it gets done...