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New York Yanking Our Chain 

Post#281 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:05 pm

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Neddy wrote:what are the Yanks looking for Andrew Miller?


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both. Miller from the Yankees is what I'm hearing, but Cashman is asking for too much right now. He is offering Miller and Pineda, but I'm not sure who he is asking for from the Dodgers.

Cashman is definitely shopping Miller. He called D. Stewart regarding a trade for A. Blair for Miller and Pineda.

While my source and I were golfing Cashman called him offering Miller and Pineda for De Leon among other prospects. Cashman was told by my source that they will get back to him.

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Yanks want JDL as the centerpiece of Miller deal. They are asking for two more high lvl specs.

Last I heard Yanks offered Pineda too.

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Outfield Activity (Updated) 

Post#282 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:29 pm

I've been advocating going after Heyward, but I'm concerned with the price and term. I hope we're in the mix as the mystery team, but I'd be reluctant to give him a 10-year contract unless his AAV is significantly lower than $20 million. I still like Alex Gordon as a possibility and have talked myself into Justin Upton as a backup plan depending on price.

However, I'd love to pivot trade talks with the Reds since we've thankfully moved on from Chapman in order to focus on Todd Frazier. The Royals are apparently targeting him with the idea of having him play LF. In addition to 3B, I've heard 1B is another position he can play at. I'd offer a package headlined by Grant Holmes for Frazier. I'd even consider dealing Alex Wood for him.

We're reportedly involved in the pursuit for Wei-Yin Chen, but while I like him as a 4th or 5th starter, he doesn't really serve a need unless we're packaging some of our pitchers in a blockbuster trade. With the Yankees continuing to ask for a big overpay for Andrew Miller, I'd much rather that Friedman reach out to his old buddies in Tampa Bay for Jake McGee, who's my preferred choice, anyway.


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Edit: Looks like we're out on Heyward and I suspect the Giants have the inside track on Gordon. Trading for Frazier is now my top preference. Plus, talks with the Yankees regarding Miller have reportedly reached a dead end.

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#283 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:32 pm

I'm giving up on this man.
The front office, IMO, sold us a bill of goods last winter by drastically changing the team via trade and then doing some very complex deals during the season only to give the fan base blue balls this winter while Arizona steals the headlines and the Giants quietly got better and are still looking to do so.

This team needs answers in its rotation.
It needs answers in its bullpen.
It needs answers in its outfield.
It needs answers at 2B.

Yet…all we have is Iwakuma?


I mean I'd take anything to know this FO currently has a pulse.
- A dumpster diving deal where I look at our return and see the potential.
- Ethier? Still on our roster.
- Crawford? Still on our roster.
- Puig? Still on our roster.


We didn't just not get a big name. We didn't do anything altogether. It's embarrassing if you ask me and I'm thinking we're in trouble.

What was the point in acquiring all the assets we acquired if we weren't going to make deals? They're not all coming up to play for the Dodgers.


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Checklist for Rest of Winter 

Post#284 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:02 pm

I'm disappointed with coming away from the winter meetings with only Iwakuma and re-signing Utley as well, but I'm willing to hold out hope since there's still big names available on the market. I'm certainly concerned but not panicked. Before Greinke's departure, the Dodgers didn't necessarily need to make a big signing or trade, but that's certainly changed now. There's still plenty of time before Spring Training and I would think that a lot of groundwork as been laid with agents and other GMs during the just concluded Winter Meetings.

As I've mentioned before, I'm open to depleting the depth of our farm system in this rare instance as long as untouchable prospects aren't dealt, so we should have capital in addition to cash to improve the big league roster without having long-term detrimental effects to the developmental pipeline given our multiple first-round picks and a haul from the current international signing period. However, the price for starting pitching and even outfielders seem rather expensive.

In any case, here's my to-do list:

  • Staring Rotation: sign Johnny Cueto or trade with Indians or Mets (Jose Fernandez in Miami is unlikely dream scenario).
  • Bullpen: trade for Jake McGee and sign Seung-Hwan Oh (Andrew Miller and maybe Aroldis Chapman revisited not preferred and also unlikely but still given consideration).
  • Outfield: trade for Todd Frazier or sign Justin Upton (Jason Heyward or Alex Gordon is preferred but unlikely scenarios).
  • Andre Ethier: needs to be traded before Opening Day to avoid granting 10-and-5 status.

I've already discussed Puig in the Trading Yasiel Puig thread so we'll see how his situation plays out with him hopefully on a short leash. 2B should be fine with Chase Utley, Jose Peraza, and **** Hernandez vying for the keystone position in the infield. I actually think there is more concern at 3B with Justin Turner's health and SS with a backup option behind Corey Seager.
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The Market for McGee 

Post#285 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:27 pm

Glad to hear of the possibility of the Dodgers pursuing Jake McGee for our bullpen. With Heyward off the market, the run on FA OFers should happen soon. Plus, the Nationals, after losing out on Heyward, are reportedly interested in Chapman.

It is also further interesting that Molly Knight is saying the Giants offered 6 years in their contract offer. Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations Brian Sabean recently came on MLB TV and basically confirmed that the 6th year was too much for them as well.

Also, I find myself, like Quake, less enamored with Cueto now that the Dodgers are looking at him. I had previous concerns about his health, but his size is also a factor. However, I just found out that he kicked former catcher Jason LaRue's head with his spiked shoe during the Cardinals-Reds brawl from a few years ago sending that player to early retirement due to concussion issues. It's being portrayed as out-of-character for Cueto, who was pinned against the backstop screen and flailing away in the scrum, but he had another questionable move in the Royals-Blue Jays series this past postseason.

While LaRue says he holds no animosity towards Cueto, he also says he has not forgotten and it seems like a sore spot for his family as well. Plus, I'm disappointed that Cueto didn't provide or otherwise offer compensation to LaRue for basically ending his career even if he didn't do it on purpose. This triggers echos of the Roseboro-Marichal incident albeit to a lesser extent. Roseboro eventually forgave Marichal but that is still a painful memory for Dodger fans.

In any case, I now prefer to trade for another starter. I'm not necessarily opposed to signing Cueto as long as it's a reasonable deal. He can always be used as trade bait later on while filling our need for a #2 starter in the interim.


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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#286 » by Neddy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:24 am

my bet is he was minutes away from signing with the Giants. they offered him a six year, 190-ish deal. going to Arizona is no brainer tho. their state income tax is next to nothing compared to California or Oregon.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#287 » by Neddy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:32 am

just a thought.

since the ownership has said our payroll is gonna be around 200 mil this upcoming season, and we are already there once all the arbitration deals and dead money still going out to guys like Kemp and Tabata, it may not be likely to add significant salary to our current lineup or able to eat money to dump guys like Carl Crawford. so if we are planning to rely on internal options, say....

why not bring up Urias now to be our 8th inning setup man? his innings limitations so far has been under 70 innings per season, and that is just about what a setup man would be spent for. keep De Leon in AAA as an insurance along with Joe and Zach, have Magic Mike take the ball every 5th day as our last starter, start the season with Kershaw/Kuma/Anderson/Wood/Mike and see if Ryu can make a come back in April-May to displace the worst performing in the rotation, then McCarthy will be the next man up comes all star. by doing so, our pen would be

9th - Jensen
8th - Urias
7th - JP
6th - Hatcher

come playoff time. now add that to a playoff rotation of

kershaw
Kuma
Ryu
McCarthy

if they both come back healthy or at least one of them and replace the other with Anderson. if Brett is hurt, Wood/Mike/De Leon could be the last guy.

by 2017, Urias can join the rotation and be our #2 guy behind Clayton.

just a quick thought in case we play 2016 on a 200 mil budget.
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Payroll Budget for the Foreseeable Future 

Post#288 » by Ranma » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:04 am

I wouldn't be overly concerned about the team's budget. The Dodgers were prepared to sign Greinke to a deal for over $30 million per year for 5 years as well as take on Chapman's anticipated $11 million deal for 2016 through arbitration. The organization just does not want to hand out retirement contracts and seeing what both Greinke and Heyward got in free agency, I certainly don't blame it. Kasten even said that the offer to Greinke was stretched even further than what the front office was initially prepared to give him presumably with a higher AAV because the organization was fond of him. While it's possible that Molly Knight's assertion is true that the Giants offered him that 6th year despite Brian Sabean's protest against doing so, the media seems to think that the Dodgers were the team he was minutes away from signing with.

Also, the Dodgers have some dead money on the books for some years, but it's negligible. We also have decreasing payroll commitments over a few years culminating with only Kershaw's player option years currently on the books for the active roster. There's nothing really keeping the Dodgers from adding more salary to improve the team. While the front office has made it known that it anticipates to have a payroll closer to $200 million, that doesn't man that it will actually hit that cut-off point. In fact, the team is still expected to have the highest payroll in Major League Baseball for the 2016 season. Plus, Kasten and Friedman have gone on record to say that the aim is to win a championship every year even if it is moving towards sustaining a model of developing and utilizing more homegrown talent from within the organization.

I'm sure the Dodgers are pursuing trades while being mindful of the free-agent options still available. The front office likes having options and flexibility with regards to roster maneuverability. With the failed pursuit of Chapman, I'm quite confident that we're in trade talks for McGee, especially given Friedman's connection to the Tampa Bay Rays' organization. Hopefully, Oh is also under consideration for the bullpen.

While there hasn't been word in the major media outlets that the Dodgers are pursuing outfielders, I'm hopeful that we are whether it's a trade for Frazier or signing either Upton or Gordon. Upton looks like the likeliest of those possibilities given his youth and right-handed power, but the contract offer required to sign him seems like it may be too much for our tastes. The Reds are apparently overplaying their hand in asking for high returns on their players available for trade just like they did with Cueto and Chapman. Gordon would be a great option if we can get him on a short-term deal, but he's likely looking for a longer deal we'd be comfortable to committing to him. Chris Davis could be a darkhorse candidate but I don't want to beat what the Orioles already offered him.

Of course, a #2 starter for our pitching rotation is a high priority, but trade talks don't look like they've progressed. Then again, the front office likes to operate in secrecy and tends to do a fairly good job of maintaining that mystery. Neither Maeda or Chen seem like fitting possibilities to fill the spot behind Kershaw in the starting rotation. Plus, Cueto is still on the market.

Speaking of Cueto, he's expressed that the Red Sox were his top choice in free agency as a destination given his familiarity with Hanley Ramirez and idolization of Pedro Martinez. His agent also seems to indicate his preference to pitch in St. Louis despite the bad feelings from the Reds-Cardinals brawl he was involved in. The Dodgers are also mentioned as an obvious fit for him, but his attachment to the team seems to match my waned enthusiasm for him as a fallback option. It doesn't sound like he's generating enough interest to match or exceed the offer he initially received from the Diamondbacks or Zimmermann's deal. A match with the Dodgers could be of mutual benefit even if it is more out of necessity than shared interests.

With regard to Urias, DeLeon, and any of the other young Dodger pitchers, Kasten mentioned that they'll be given looks during Spring Training, but they're not counting on any to start the season with the big club. Lee, Weiland, and Bolsinger may be the closest to being ready but each are only seen as possibilities as the #5 starter. Urias still needed to adjust to AAA, but he might get an opportunity for a call-up mid-season or after with 2017 a distinct possibility. DeLeon doesn't look quite ready but he seems to be close with upside to be the #3 starter in our rotation in the near future. Cotton, Stripling, and maybe even Sborz or Anderson could be possibilities for the bullpen, but I think holes in the relief pitching corps. will be filled from outside the organization.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#289 » by Kilroy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:03 pm

I'm glad we let Greinke walk... I have a feeling that's going to be remembered as a terrible contract.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#290 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:30 pm

http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-news-dave-roberts-says-chapman-trade-is-still-possible/2015/12/12/

Dave Roberts says we could circle back to Chapman later.
smh. I'd just rather now. Jake McGee has more years of control.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#291 » by Neddy » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:03 am

Kilroy wrote:I'm glad we let Greinke walk... I have a feeling that's going to be remembered as a terrible contract.



yeah you are 100 % right. Greinke led the league in luck factor with .220 BABIP last season and I'm with you that for the next 3 years remaining of his 12 year deal will bring them D Backs down along with Yasmani's contract.
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Re: Payroll Budget for the Foreseeable Future 

Post#292 » by Neddy » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:06 am

Ranma wrote:I wouldn't be overly concerned about the team's budget. The Dodgers were prepared to sign Greinke to a deal for over $30 million per year for 5 years as well as take on Chapman's anticipated $11 million deal for 2016 through arbitration. The organization just does not want to hand out retirement contracts and seeing what both Greinke and Heyward got in free agency, I certainly don't blame it. Kasten even said that the offer to Greinke was stretched even further than what the front office was initially prepared to give him presumably with a higher AAV because the organization was fond of him. While it's possible that Molly Knight's assertion is true that the Giants offered him that 6th year despite Brian Sabean's protest against doing so, the media seems to think that the Dodgers were the team he was minutes away from signing with.

Also, the Dodgers have some dead money on the books for some years, but it's negligible. We also have decreasing payroll commitments over a few years culminating with only Kershaw's player option years currently on the books for the active roster. There's nothing really keeping the Dodgers from adding more salary to improve the team. While the front office has made it known that it anticipates to have a payroll closer to $200 million, that doesn't man that it will actually hit that cut-off point. In fact, the team is still expected to have the highest payroll in Major League Baseball for the 2016 season. Plus, Kasten and Friedman have gone on record to say that the aim is to win a championship every year even if it is moving towards sustaining a model of developing and utilizing more homegrown talent from within the organization.

I'm sure the Dodgers are pursuing trades while being mindful of the free-agent options still available. The front office likes having options and flexibility with regards to roster maneuverability. With the failed pursuit of Chapman, I'm quite confident that we're in trade talks for McGee, especially given Friedman's connection to the Tampa Bay Rays' organization. Hopefully, Oh is also under consideration for the bullpen.

While there hasn't been word in the major media outlets that the Dodgers are pursuing outfielders, I'm hopeful that we are whether it's a trade for Frazier or signing either Upton or Gordon. Upton looks like the likeliest of those possibilities given his youth and right-handed power, but the contract offer required to sign him seems like it may be too much for our tastes. The Reds are apparently overplaying their hand in asking for high returns on their players available for trade just like they did with Cueto and Chapman. Gordon would be a great option if we can get him on a short-term deal, but he's likely looking for a longer deal we'd be comfortable to committing to him. Chris Davis could be a darkhorse candidate but I don't want to beat what the Orioles already offered him.

Of course, a #2 starter for our pitching rotation is a high priority, but trade talks don't look like they've progressed. Then again, the front office likes to operate in secrecy and tends to do a fairly good job of maintaining that mystery. Neither Maeda or Chen seem like fitting possibilities to fill the spot behind Kershaw in the starting rotation. Plus, Cueto is still on the market.

Speaking of Cueto, he's expressed that the Red Sox were his top choice in free agency as a destination given his familiarity with Hanley Ramirez and idolization of Pedro Martinez. His agent also seems to indicate his preference to pitch in St. Louis despite the bad feelings from the Reds-Cardinals brawl he was involved in. The Dodgers are also mentioned as an obvious fit for him, but his attachment to the team seems to match my waned enthusiasm for him as a fallback option. It doesn't sound like he's generating enough interest to match or exceed the offer he initially received from the Diamondbacks or Zimmermann's deal. A match with the Dodgers could be of mutual benefit even if it is more out of necessity than shared interests.

With regard to Urias, DeLeon, and any of the other young Dodger pitchers, Kasten mentioned that they'll be given looks during Spring Training, but they're not counting on any to start the season with the big club. Lee, Weiland, and Bolsinger may be the closest to being ready but each are only seen as possibilities as the #5 starter. Urias still needed to adjust to AAA, but he might get an opportunity for a call-up mid-season or after with 2017 a distinct possibility. DeLeon doesn't look quite ready but he seems to be close with upside to be the #3 starter in our rotation in the near future. Cotton, Stripling, and maybe even Sborz or Anderson could be possibilities for the bullpen, but I think holes in the relief pitching corps. will be filled from outside the organization.



yeah it is true that we have offered big money to Greinke and nearly pulled Chapman deal, but the budget may be flexible depending on the talent we bring in and not necessarily based on a particular bar of payroll.

I know it will make be a lesser human being to say this but I still want Chapman. even with a suspension, as long as we get him back by playoffs, Chapman-Jensen 8th and 9th inning is just too tempting.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#293 » by Neddy » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:10 am

Quake Griffin wrote:http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-news-dave-roberts-says-chapman-trade-is-still-possible/2015/12/12/

Dave Roberts says we could circle back to Chapman later.
smh. I'd just rather now. Jake McGee has more years of control.



or, we grab Magee now and bring in Chapman a little after.

Jensen
Chapman
McGee
JP
Hatcher
Baez
Avilan
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Garcia
Frias
Liberatore

we would be better than 2015 KC bullpen.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#294 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:26 am

Never thought I'd see you take that kind of stance on Aroldis Ned.

Even if he weren't an abuser. Trading for both of them isn't smart IMO. That's a lot of farm going out for 3 years (2 from McGee) worth of reliever. At least Ken Giles came with 4 years of control for Philly. But they clearly overpaid. I remember Ranma was interested in drafting Mark Appel (former #1 overall who didn't sign, then tore his UCL). Steep price for relief arms.

I think we have a much better shot at extending McGee after one season here than Chapman if who probably will be dead set on hitting free agency and will probably set a record for a closer.


Ranma, I'm concerned about the budget because they came out and said it specifically. IMO, I expected the salary to just be shed elsewhere if Greinke and Aroldis were obtained. You hear Friedman on that interview that I linked mention that he thinks **** could be a good solution at 2nd. Well look at ****. His time in the majors last year was essentially a rookie year. He's not an FA until 2021. Look at Austin Barnes. Free agent in 2022. I think Austin's going to be a solid player for us and honestly, it didn't hit me until that interview that our team is probably going to move forward with those 2 guys in the mix. Is it any wonder Puig and his cheap deal haven't been unloaded? Where can you find that kind of OF talent that cheap?

I think the Cueto stuff is hogwash. Quote this post if I'm wrong. The only thing I see this team doing is putting together a big deal for a pitcher with a team friendly contract/ a good number of control years.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#295 » by Neddy » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:09 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Never thought I'd see you take that kind of stance on Aroldis Ned.

Even if he weren't an abuser. Trading for both of them isn't smart IMO. That's a lot of farm going out for 3 years (2 from McGee) worth of reliever. At least Ken Giles came with 4 years of control for Philly. But they clearly overpaid. I remember Ranma was interested in drafting Mark Appel (former #1 overall who didn't sign, then tore his UCL). Steep price for relief arms.

I think we have a much better shot at extending McGee after one season here than Chapman if who probably will be dead set on hitting free agency and will probably set a record for a closer.


Ranma, I'm concerned about the budget because they came out and said it specifically. IMO, I expected the salary to just be shed elsewhere if Greinke and Aroldis were obtained. You hear Friedman on that interview that I linked mention that he thinks **** could be a good solution at 2nd. Well look at ****. His time in the majors last year was essentially a rookie year. He's not an FA until 2021. Look at Austin Barnes. Free agent in 2022. I think Austin's going to be a solid player for us and honestly, it didn't hit me until that interview that our team is probably going to move forward with those 2 guys in the mix. Is it any wonder Puig and his cheap deal haven't been unloaded? Where can you find that kind of OF talent that cheap?

I think the Cueto stuff is hogwash. Quote this post if I'm wrong. The only thing I see this team doing is putting together a big deal for a pitcher with a team friendly contract/ a good number of control years.


yeah I am not proud of taking this position and if all the detail eventually proves him to be a massive abuser, of course it's a no go. but as of right now, I am hanging on a little hope I have based on the fact that there was no arrest, that neither his girl friend nor the police felt there was an actual threat or endangerment to result in such.

Do I ever think there is a justifiable violence against women, or anyone for that matter? no. but the dream of having such a dynamic bull pen, if found innocent (relatively speaking... ) is just too great to let go... for now.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#296 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:40 pm

Ok, then we're together on that. I'm hoping it's bull and we can bring him into the family. If it's even remotely true, I can't get on board.


http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/12/13/cubs-have-inquired-about-new-braves-outfielder-ender-inciarte/
Look at how Theo is moving out here man. Running Circles around Friedman.
This was the 1st thought I had when they sent that package over to Atlanta. I'd probably let DeLeon go for Inciarte.
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Source Not Dodgers Intern 

Post#297 » by Ranma » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:20 pm

Ranma wrote:idnt-h8urteam via DodgersDigest.com comments
I didn't know you guys were interested in knowing who I was. You guys just need to ask. I'll tell you if you really want to know.

I'm the assistant to the traveling secretary for the Dodgers.

Look at me hyperbolizing my position. I'm actually the intern to the assistant to the traveling secretary for the Dodgers.

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First, it looks like the mystery source isn't a Dodgers intern, after all. It makes sense not to reveal his position in or around the organization publicly and it doesn't hurt his credibility given his track record of information provided, but it's hard to distinguish between solid information and humor at times without some sort of sign.

Next, the news of being "back to square one" isn't going to alleviate Quake or other Dodger fans' concerns about an unproductive off-season. Cueto as a free agent has always made sense as a back-up plan. Hopefully, we can get him on a short-term deal like 1-3 years, but his agent indicates a reluctance for him to do so at this point. Still, I suspect the market hasn't provided him with a deal that even matches Zimmermann's contract and next year he'd be competing with only Strasburg and our very own B. Anderson as the top 3 starting pitchers on the free-agent market. There's no need to panic in giving him a long-term deal just yet as I prefer pursuing trade targets at this point.

I don't get why we're still involved in Andrew Miller trade talks if the Yankees are still asking us to overpay for him and Michael Pineda by giving up not just DeLeon but even more prospects, especially since they supposedly only asked for Blair from Arizona before he was shipped to Atlanta. It doesn't look like to me that they want to be at all reasonable for us. Plus, Miller says he'd prefer to stay in New York. While acknowledging the Dodgers front office's preference for secrecy, I am a concerned that we haven't really been connected to Jake McGee yet.

I liked Carrasco before but Neddy has sold me more on him. The Indians are searching for MLB players and outfielders, so hopefully a package that includes Ethier will appeal to them, especially since it's confirmed that the Dodgers are willing to eat some money on his contract as well as Crawford's in order to move them. Moving Ethier and Crawford are no-brainers, but eating money on the contracts should have been as well, but I guess it helps alleviates concerns about the Dodgers willing to add to payroll in pursuing replacements.


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LOL, no I meant it as a joke.

The Dodger are back to square one. They are in the exploratory phase with free agents and teams (for trades).

They continue to have dialogue with Cueto, Yanks (for Miller), and the Indians.

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#298 » by Neddy » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:40 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Ok, then we're together on that. I'm hoping it's bull and we can bring him into the family. If it's even remotely true, I can't get on board.


http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/12/13/cubs-have-inquired-about-new-braves-outfielder-ender-inciarte/
Look at how Theo is moving out here man. Running Circles around Friedman.
This was the 1st thought I had when they sent that package over to Atlanta. I'd probably let DeLeon go for Inciarte.


well I like his defense too but with him in CF, Joc is relagated to a platoon LF or a 4th OF. I think Joc's ceiling is higher although he didn't show it this year.

Joc was known for his speed and baserunning in the minors. so far he has not figured it out in the majors. once he does, he is a 30-30 threat.
Joc lost his swing and if you watch his mechanism over the course of the season, he had totally steered away from what made him successful in April and May. I blame Mattingly and McGuire for this. once he can get his swing and his confidence back and just be a .250 hitter, he will get on base at upper .300 level.

Ender is a good contact hitter but he has no power, he can't get on base unless he makes a hit, ala Juan Pierre, and Dee Gordon. these type of guys are useless when they hit slump.

Joc is two years younger. and we should use any package, preferably involving Ethier or Crawford along with some prospects, for a starting pitcher. I think teams who are in need of a left handed OF help can surely gain value in either one of our excess OFers.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#299 » by Neddy » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:27 am

between the two I really hope we trade away carl but it is highly unlikely and we are stuck with carl as a platoon player in LF along with SVS... but the problem is... Carl hits better against lefties than right handed pitchers as of late and we don't gain anything by platooning Carl and SVS.

we just have to get rid of Crawford, and although it means eating more money, say entire salary of his this year at 20.5 mil for another team to pick up his 2017 salary for the next trwo years plus a B- prospect like Willie in return for a AA pitching prospect plus a utlility player, would make me feel okay to eat a half of his salary to make a deal work.
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Winter Waiting Game Continues 

Post#300 » by Ranma » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:13 am

Quake Griffin wrote:http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-news-dave-roberts-says-chapman-trade-is-still-possible/2015/12/12/

Dave Roberts says we could circle back to Chapman later.
smh. I'd just rather now. Jake McGee has more years of control.

Quake Griffin wrote:Trading for both of them isn't smart IMO. That's a lot of farm going out for 3 years (2 from McGee) worth of reliever. At least Ken Giles came with 4 years of control for Philly. But they clearly overpaid. I remember Ranma was interested in drafting Mark Appel (former #1 overall who didn't sign, then tore his UCL). Steep price for relief arms.

I think we have a much better shot at extending McGee after one season here than Chapman if who probably will be dead set on hitting free agency and will probably set a record for a closer.


Ranma, I'm concerned about the budget because they came out and said it specifically.


Like you guys, I'm conflicted about Chapman. I'm going to own up myself in admitted that I also find it tempting to add him to the bullpen, but it just doesn't make sense at all right now. The Nationals have even backed away from him until the investigation is over, which won't happen for several weeks. The Dodgers really can't afford to wait around that long to address the bullpen.

Having said that, I've mentioned before the troubling signs and potential chemistry issues that were present even outside his alleged domestic violence incident. Plus, he's likely to be a free agent after next season who can be pursued outright next year. I just don't see the urgency or priority to even consider him at this point. We can revisit the situation once the investigation is done and the PR spin is put on the situation in the aftermath, but I feel dirty for thinking that.

I initially had a problem with Roberts saying that the Dodgers can revisit the Chapman possibility later on, but now I think it's a shrewd move to put it out there even if it is a bit distasteful from a public relations standpoint. The Ken Giles trade basically made it a necessity for Roberts to do so. I remember Quake advocating for Giles even as I was not personally sold on him, but the fact remains is that he brought in a big return in trade for Philadelphia. I even read somewhere that it was comparable to the haul the Red Sox gave up to land Craig Kimbrel.

Yes, I was and still am a fan of Mark Appel's. He's lost some of that luster as a prospect where some don't consider him as having frontline starting potential any more. I'll agree his upside has been diminished a bit but I wouldn't mind at all to have him in the Dodgers' developmental pipeline. He's almost like Zach Lee in having a closing window of opportunity to prove himself, but I still like him more than Grant Holmes; I might personally even make a case for him against Jose DeLeon, but DeLeon is clearly the higher valued asset. Appel still has great stuff, but it's concerning that he still hasn't worked out his inconsistency issues by now.

In any case, the cost of trading for Giles has only reinforced the premium price paid for starting and relief pitching this winter, which I'm afraid includes Jake McGee. By putting it out there that the Dodgers would consider revisiting the Chapman talks, it provides some leverage in negotiations--albeit not much--to convey to potential trade partners that they have other options to consider besides the ones currently on the table in trade discussions.

Also, I want to touch on Seung-Hwan Oh. I previously glossed over Neddy's reference to Oh losing thousands of dollars to a casino in Macau. I want to make clear that I was dismissing more that he broke NPB's rules of gambling in general and not the fact that he seems to have a gambling problem, which is indeed a troubling sign. Just like with Chapman, I guess I got caught up in trying to address our bullpen with highly attractive options that I was ready to skip over some red flags when that was not my intent.


Neddy wrote:Ender is a good contact hitter but he has no power, he can't get on base unless he makes a hit, ala Juan Pierre, and Dee Gordon. these type of guys are useless when they hit slump.

Joc is two years younger. and we should use any package, preferably involving Ethier or Crawford along with some prospects, for a starting pitcher. I think teams who are in need of a left handed OF help can surely gain value in either one of our excess OFers.


I may be under-rating Ender Inciarte, but I agree with Neddy in that I'd still rather take my chances with Joc Pederson as this point. While I'm not in love with Jose DeLeon as a prospect, I still like him and his upside. I'll have to disagree with Quake in that I wouldn't trade him straight-up for Inciarte. Don't forget that with the imminent graduations of Seager, Urias, and Peraza expected to happen in a couple of years, DeLeon has a very good chance of eventually becoming the #1 ranked prospect in the Dodgers' system even if it would be short-lived. Having the distinction of being the Dodgers' top-rated prospect would also likely increase DeLeon's trade value.

Neddy wrote:we just have to get rid of Crawford, and although it means eating more money, say entire salary of his this year at 20.5 mil for another team to pick up his 2017 salary for the next trwo years plus a B- prospect like Willie in return for a AA pitching prospect plus a utlility player, would make me feel okay to eat a half of his salary to make a deal work.


I'd love to get rid of Crawford, but I'm resigned to having him return as a platoon option in LF. I just don't see anyone interested in picking him up even with a reduced salary commitment. Ethier, on the other hand, I frankly expect to be dealt before opening day in April even if we don't trade or sign another OF. I feel the Dodgers have an internal option ready to take Ethier's spot on the roster in Scott Schebler. This is not to say that Schebler will be as productive as Ethier; I'm only suggesting that he should be ready to take a role as backup outfielder or platoon option. I'm less concerned about the return we'd get for shipping out Ethier than I am about just dumping him at this point even if we were to not sign Upton or Gordon nor trade for Frazier.
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