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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#1521 » by 165bows » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:25 pm

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I think ppl are right to be a little worried about them winning now. You gotta factor in that teams are gonna go full tank in the 2nd half.


I'm curious what happens, but you've gotta factor in the possibility that they end up selling off their guys as well. Even Billy's gotta realize that trying to recruit FAs to a 29 win team is a lost cause, right? An outside guy would come in and sell everything off, I reckon. Just not sure on The Kingmaker.

Starting to officially worry about the Pels. Awful coach and they've dug a massive hole. Gotta be appetizing to add a lotto pick to AD.

Pels are on the road to flat tanking already I'm pretty sure.

Other thing on the second half fades in BRK is they are playing their starters a lot, especially in the first half of games. Since the depth is bad, I'm not expecting a strong second half of the season. Burnout and a lot of end of season road games is a big factor for them. They will be bottom five IMO.

Dallas on the other hand would be great if they could go on a losing streak.
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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#1522 » by jmr07019 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Nets schedule for rest of december

vs. heat
@ Pacers
vs. Wolves
@ Bulls (b2b)
vs. Mavs
vs. Wiz
@ Heat
@ Magic

only 1 b2b but 8 games in the next 15 days. Easiest game is home versus wolves followed by home versus Wizards. The rest should be easy losses. There is potential for them to not win a game in these next 8 although 1-7 is the most likely outcome.
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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#1523 » by robbie84 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:21 pm

The Pelicans are still going to win more games with their roster.
Their coach is desperate to win, their front office is terrified of being cleaned out and they have the genuine talent to win 10 more games than the Nuggets/Lakers.

The Nets should have some kind of firesale on bums like Jack/Joe/Barngani etc but I dunno what they'd get in return.
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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#1524 » by aim2please » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:49 pm

robbie84 wrote:The Pelicans are still going to win more games with their roster.
Their coach is desperate to win, their front office is terrified of being cleaned out and they have the genuine talent to win 10 more games than the Nuggets/Lakers.

The Nets should have some kind of firesale on bums like Jack/Joe/Barngani etc but I dunno what they'd get in return.


I agree with you on Pels. Their GM is on a hot seat. His owner obviously didn't want a long rebuild, that explains win now trades last couple of years (Holiday, Asik). They fired a coach who took them to the playoffs, if they don't recover before all star break, GM is the next one to go.

I can't imagine Demps going to the old Benson saying, 'hey, I think it would be a good idea if we tanked this year so we can add 20y old to our team'.

I am not worried about Nets, they're going to be a 25-29 win team. I actually hope they keep Jack. He's a sneaky terrible player. We're gonna get a good pick, maybe a great one if lotto gods show some mercy.
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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#1525 » by LobCityRondo2KG » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:53 pm

Solid loss last night by the Nets.. Magic are fun to watch
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Post#1526 » by Ben-N1ce » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:32 pm

Are then Nets even capable of acquiring players? I'm just wondering because if they become sellers they get even worse :D
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Post#1527 » by Jingles » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:58 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
benjaminbuttonz wrote:
I think ppl are right to be a little worried about them winning now. You gotta factor in that teams are gonna go full tank in the 2nd half.


I'm curious what happens, but you've gotta factor in the possibility that they end up selling off their guys as well. Even Billy's gotta realize that trying to recruit FAs to a 29 win team is a lost cause, right? An outside guy would come in and sell everything off, I reckon. Just not sure on The Kingmaker.

Starting to officially worry about the Pels. Awful coach and they've dug a massive hole. Gotta be appetizing to add a lotto pick to AD.


I'm hoping for one of two things:
1) Repeat of 2010 when the Nets whiffed on the big fish and signed jags instead just to say they added something
2) Most relevant free agents sign one year extensions in anticipation of the cap jump to over $100 million in 2017. Remaining pickings are slim and the Nets have to wait at least another year to try to bring in talent.

A firesale isn't completely out of the question either. If Prok wants to sell the team he could easily mandate that King clear the books and get as many draft picks as possible to appeal to potential buyers.

I think there are more paths to the Nets continuing to be bad than there are to becoming good, which is really all you can ask for. The general improvement in the East is really exciting--who exactly can the Nets leapfrog in the near future without a miracle acquisition or two?
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Post#1528 » by illmatic24 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:22 am

jmr07019 wrote:Nets schedule for rest of december

vs. heat
@ Pacers
vs. Wolves
@ Bulls (b2b)
vs. Mavs
vs. Wiz
@ Heat
@ Magic

only 1 b2b but 8 games in the next 15 days. Easiest game is home versus wolves followed by home versus Wizards. The rest should be easy losses. There is potential for them to not win a game in these next 8 although 1-7 is the most likely outcome.


The Wolves and Wizards aren't scaring anyone. I think the Nets can get at least two wins in this group easily. Maybe 1 or 2 more.
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Post#1529 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:30 am

Nice to see the 5-10 seeds keeping cushion on the Nets. Denver shaking off a tailspin. Ditto Sac. Milwaukee treading water.

Just need Minny to right the ship and the Pelicans to put together a good string to get the Nets back into their natural bottom 3 slot.
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Post#1530 » by peachbucket » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:29 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
benjaminbuttonz wrote:
I think ppl are right to be a little worried about them winning now. You gotta factor in that teams are gonna go full tank in the 2nd half.


I'm curious what happens, but you've gotta factor in the possibility that they end up selling off their guys as well. Even Billy's gotta realize that trying to recruit FAs to a 29 win team is a lost cause, right? An outside guy would come in and sell everything off, I reckon. Just not sure on The Kingmaker.

Starting to officially worry about the Pels. Awful coach and they've dug a massive hole. Gotta be appetizing to add a lotto pick to AD.



King already made phone calls to gauge value of his assets after their disastrous start. I think what he discovered was that only two players on his roster (Lopez,Young) had any tangible value. Young could probably get you distant protected (like Jeff Green) and Lopez is probably worth two protected first rounders (maybe a little more than we got for Rondo). That's probably not going to be enough for Brooklyn to pull the trigger unless Prok wants to cut salary which is doubtful.

If I was Ainge I would get on the phone to Billy King and tell him that he would be willing to come in as a third team to incentivize Brooklyn with a future 1st in a deal to move Lopez or Young to another team for future assets.
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Post#1531 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:46 pm

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23281/for-floundering-brooklyn-nets-one-has-to-wonder-whats-next argues that the Nets team is likely to keep melting down.

And by the way, I think Joe Johnson is basically untradeable. The gap between salary and value has become too large.
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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#1532 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:49 pm

peachbucket wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
benjaminbuttonz wrote:
I think ppl are right to be a little worried about them winning now. You gotta factor in that teams are gonna go full tank in the 2nd half.


I'm curious what happens, but you've gotta factor in the possibility that they end up selling off their guys as well. Even Billy's gotta realize that trying to recruit FAs to a 29 win team is a lost cause, right? An outside guy would come in and sell everything off, I reckon. Just not sure on The Kingmaker.

Starting to officially worry about the Pels. Awful coach and they've dug a massive hole. Gotta be appetizing to add a lotto pick to AD.



King already made phone calls to gauge value of his assets after their disastrous start. I think what he discovered was that only two players on his roster (Lopez,Young) had any tangible value. Young could probably get you distant protected (like Jeff Green) and Lopez is probably worth two protected first rounders (maybe a little more than we got for Rondo). That's probably not going to be enough for Brooklyn to pull the trigger unless Prok wants to cut salary which is doubtful.

If I was Ainge I would get on the phone to Billy King and tell him that he would be willing to come in as a third team to incentivize Brooklyn with a future 1st in a deal to move Lopez or Young to another team for future assets.


I don't think the Nets consider moving either Brook or Thad for future picks at this point. Unless they are terrified that Brook's right foot is about to explode it's not really a sell-high time for either of them.

Brook is having the worst shooting season of his career and is confirming the rap on him - that he can't function as a true #1 option offensively.

Thad is having a career year on the boards and wowing people in the post, but he's never been less of a threat from outside of the paint - a pathetic 1 of 12 from deep on the year and totally ignored on the perimeter. If they want to move on from him for a pick or two, they should still be able to get the same offers at the draft without having to turn the PG position over to dead ends like Bargs and T-Rob for the rest of the year.

The guy most likely to be moved is Bogey. I think they are showcasing him right now in hopes that his shooting buoys. But if his shooting improves they'd mostly likely want to keep him anyways.

The only other deals available to them are swapping deck chairs between the Titanic and Lusitania (Jack for Vasquez?), trading RHJ (which BK has already indicated he won't do) or absorbing bad salary for pick compensation, which they won't do so long as they hold out hope for 2016 free agency (the real reason ditching D-Will was prioritized over booting Joe).

I do expect Billy to get canned in the offseason :cry: and the new GM (I'm thinking local boy Chris Mullin gets offered a huge ransom to leave St John's to be a coach/GM) to pick his guy between Thad and Brook and move the other to bring in some new players.
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Post#1533 » by mloyko » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:28 pm

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Nets announce Shane Larkin suffered a concussion in Tuesday's practice. He's out indefinitely.

Larken is a key piece off the bench for them.
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Post#1534 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:30 pm

mloyko wrote:Tim Bontemps @TimBontemps
Nets announce Shane Larkin suffered a concussion in Tuesday's practice. He's out indefinitely.

Larken is a key piece off the bench for them.

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Post#1535 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:40 pm

We've got to pray that the EC has the same amount of parity in March/April that we're currently seeing right now. That prevents teams from tanking, thinking that they're only 3-4 games away from making the playoffs. The Nets schedule in March/April could be filled with teams on the bubble.
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Post#1536 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:04 pm

mloyko wrote:Tim Bontemps @TimBontemps
Nets announce Shane Larkin suffered a concussion in Tuesday's practice. He's out indefinitely.

Larken is a key piece off the bench for them.


Billy King must be body checking guys in practice.

Going off ESPN's RPM list and taking them down one by one. Brook better watch out (next on the list!).
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Post#1537 » by Jingles » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:44 am

Jarrett Jack has gotten about 3 or 4 absurd Kobe/Reggie calls tonight, plus another of his patented 3pter that bounces straight up off the front rim and in. Throws his arms sideways to ensure contact, does that stupid rip-through move, falls on no contact. Refs still fall for that crap sadly.

Didn't matter in the end. Once Miami's starters came back in the Nets didn't have a chance.
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Post#1538 » by Slartibartfast » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:46 pm

Wow, this thread is surprisingly dead. The Nets lost again, the Mavs got pulverized and the Pelicans won on the road to even up with Nets and tie for 3rd.

The bad news is the West is cratering behind the Mavs. Minny is in a tailspin, Utah has lost 4 straight, Phoenix is failing and Sacramento/Portland/Denver are all still fatally flawed. Houston and Memphis seem mired in mediocrity.

We may end up depending on ourselves if we want a 2nd lotto pick.
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Post#1539 » by 165bows » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:18 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Wow, this thread is surprisingly dead. The Nets lost again, the Mavs got pulverized and the Pelicans won on the road to even up with Nets and tie for 3rd.

The bad news is the West is cratering behind the Mavs. Minny is in a tailspin, Utah has lost 4 straight, Phoenix is failing and Sacramento/Portland/Denver are all still fatally flawed. Houston and Memphis seem mired in mediocrity.

We may end up depending on ourselves if we want a 2nd lotto pick.


Trying to be patient on the Mavs. They are only 3 games out of the lotto and have played well on the whole but have been slipping. I think the best chance if they keep sliding is adding Utah and Phoenix to the playoff mix.

McDonough has said that Sarver wants them competitive so they may make a win now move since the west is so soft, and make ownership happy with a few playoff games. Plus, removing Markieff's bad production should be addition by subtraction. Haven't followed Utah that closely but they finished last year strong so those two seem the best bets.

But really dependent on Dallas just hitting a run of losses. They are 5-8 in their last twelve after starting 9-4, so it's not inconceivable.

Funny thing is if the switch in conference strength holds up they would be slotted into something like the 11th spot if they just miss out on the WC playoffs. Should be decent players in the mix at that spot.
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Post#1540 » by djFan71 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:49 pm

165bows wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Wow, this thread is surprisingly dead. The Nets lost again, the Mavs got pulverized and the Pelicans won on the road to even up with Nets and tie for 3rd.

The bad news is the West is cratering behind the Mavs. Minny is in a tailspin, Utah has lost 4 straight, Phoenix is failing and Sacramento/Portland/Denver are all still fatally flawed. Houston and Memphis seem mired in mediocrity.

We may end up depending on ourselves if we want a 2nd lotto pick.


Trying to be patient on the Mavs. They are only 3 games out of the lotto and have played well on the whole but have been slipping. I think the best chance if they keep sliding is adding Utah and Phoenix to the playoff mix.

McDonough has said that Sarver wants them competitive so they may make a win now move since the west is so soft, and make ownership happy with a few playoff games. Plus, removing Markieff's bad production should be addition by subtraction. Haven't followed Utah that closely but they finished last year strong so those two seem the best bets.

But really dependent on Dallas just hitting a run of losses. They are 5-8 in their last twelve after starting 9-4, so it's not inconceivable.

Funny thing is if the switch in conference strength holds up they would be slotted into something like the 11th spot if they just miss out on the WC playoffs. Should be decent players in the mix at that spot.

Agreed. Hoping for Grizz\Rockets to stabilize and Utah & Phoenix to make the climb. Not sure you can count out Sac making a win-now trade. They hired a win-now coach and stuck with him thru the, err, less than harmonious start. Would be awesome if it was Minny, but... Have no faith in Denver or Portland. Pellies could turn it around, but they're just as likely to tank if they don't do it soon.

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