Bradley Beal for Willie Cauley-Stein -- Who says no?

fishercob · Post #1 » by **fishercob** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:22 pm

Why for Sacramento: They get a desperately needed shooter, AND an impeding restricted free agent looking to get paid; Sacto can match any offer for Beal and keep him. This is big, as the Kings don't attract Tier 1 free agents. Beal fits well with Cousins, Rondo and Gay, and WCS isn't the greatest fit with Cousins and is much younger than Sacto's core.

Why for Washington: The Wizards desperately need youth, athleticism and defense in their frontcourt. To the extent that KD would actually consider coming to DC (I'm a massive Wizards fan and think he won't) this wouldn't hurt matters. It opens up a ton of financial flexibility in the coming summers. WCS is a great fit with Wall, Porter, and Oubre.

youngthegiant · Post #2 » by **youngthegiant** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:24 pm

washington is not trading beal straight up for willie.

blind prophet · Post #3 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:28 pm

I'd rather throw the money out there in the off season and take my chances.

fishercob · Post #4 » by **fishercob** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:31 pm

blind prophet wrote:I'd rather throw the money out there in the off season and take my chances.

Tried that last summer and it didn't work out well. This year nearly the entire league will have max cap space. Very unlikely Kings make a needle-moving addition via free agency IMO.

Post #5 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:31 pm

I voted both say no.

blind prophet · Post #6 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:33 pm

fishercob wrote:
blind prophet wrote:I'd rather throw the money out there in the off season and take my chances.

Tried that last summer and it didn't work out well. This year nearly the entire league will have max cap space. Very unlikely Kings make a needle-moving addition via free agency IMO.

I agree 100% they are not an ideal location, Still I'm not going to just drop WCS either.

LoyalKing · Post #7 » by **LoyalKing** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:34 pm

We do

WCS is a stud and still has several years left of his rookie contract. Not sold on Beal as a MAX player and that's probably what he is going to ask to re-sign

Post #8 » by **bondom34** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:42 am

Kings. I'd just see if he signs in the offseason. I'm not sure Beal is worth a max, and WCS is cheap and signed longer. He's also been pretty good.

BleedGreen1989 · Post #9 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:44 am

LoyalKing wrote:We do

WCS is a stud and still has several years left of his rookie contract. Not sold on Beal as a MAX player and that's probably what he is going to ask to re-sign

I was a big WCS fan at draft time but has he really proven to be a "stud" thus far?

nomansland · Post #10 » by **nomansland** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:44 am

Surprised that more people think the Wizards say no so far. I think they'd have to take that.

Beal's good but he's going to get PAID next year, probably paid way more than he's worth and could easily opt to play somewhere other than Sacramento. Sacramento has small market syndrome (just like Denver, so that's not a barb at the city) so it's just harder to sign FA's.

I guess for that matter if the Kings really wanted Beal and he wanted to play there, they could just make a run at him in the off-season without having to give up WCS.

WCS will have a nice long career and would be a decent replacement for Nene when his deal is up at the end of the year, but I could see why the Kings would want to keep him a few years while he's still young and on a cheap deal.

So I voted Kings say no.

Bentley1225 · Post #11 » by **Bentley1225** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:54 am

If Wizards want to go after Durant and Kings dont want to sign Rondo than I could see the merit of the trade to some extent

HotelVitale · Post #12 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:38 am

Wizards easily. The two guys are almost the exact same age (within like three months of each other) and Beal is both the rarer commodity and the better player. He will get paid soon, yes, but he's also already fully adjusted to the NBA while WCS might take a season or two before we know what he is. Beal's also still getting better and, though he hasn't played his best ball this year, has still been a 20/5/3 guy with respectable efficiency. (Side note: I feel like fans can often get overly restless when a top pick is only a good player, there's this weird dissatisfaction when a guy's who's drafted top-5 isn't a big star.)

In the end, you know that Beal is an above average starter at the shallowest position in the league, who can shoot at a high level while creating some and not hurting you anywhere. WCS is a big athletic guy who'll have to learn some new skills and develop to become that. He has some vague star potential but I'm not betting on that if the price is someone like Beal (who's already a borderline all-star). Given that they're the same age, I can't see a preference for WCS at the moment.

HotelVitale · Post #13 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:40 am

nomansland wrote: could easily opt to play somewhere other than Sacramento. Sacramento has small market syndrome (just like Denver, so that's not a barb at the city) so it's just harder to sign FA's. I guess for that matter if the Kings really wanted Beal and he wanted to play there, they could just make a run at him in the off-season without having to give up WCS.

He's RFA so that doesn't seem relevant. Unlike TT and Monroe, the team that has him will presumably be okay maxing him or matching a max, so he's as good as locked up for 5 seasons if you trade for him.

Post #14 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:53 am

HotelVitale wrote:Wizards easily. The two guys are almost the exact same age (within like three months of each other) and Beal is both the rarer commodity and the better player. He will get paid soon, yes, but he's also already fully adjusted to the NBA while WCS might take a season or two before we know what he is. Beal's also still getting better and, though he hasn't played his best ball this year, has still been a 20/5/3 guy with respectable efficiency. (Side note: I feel like fans can often get overly restless when a top pick is only a good player, there's this weird dissatisfaction when a guy's who's drafted top-5 isn't a big star.)

In the end, you know that Beal is an above average starter at the shallowest position in the league, who can shoot at a high level while creating some and not hurting you anywhere. WCS is a big athletic guy who'll have to learn some new skills and develop to become that. He has some vague star potential but I'm not betting on that if the price is someone like Beal (who's already a borderline all-star). Given that they're the same age, I can't see a preference for WCS at the moment.

Yeah talent-wise this is a no brainer--you take Beal. Only reason I think either team might give pause on choosing Beal is because of the recurring stress injuries with Beal. He's missed 26,9,19 and 7 and counting already this year. And since the same problem keeps cropping up I'd be very concerned about it.

SactoKingsFan · Post #15 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:33 am

Nope. I'd rather just keep WCS and develop McLemore. I like his defense more than what Beal brings to the table and think McLemore can still be a pretty good 3 and D wing. Not even sure Beal would be that much better than McLemore on the Kings.

Post #16 » by **Smitty731** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:57 am

I think the Kings say no. Beal can't stay healthy. This many leg injuries is really concerning. It is starting to look like he'll never make it through a season healthy. It isn't like stress fractures are something that surgery can really fix either. If he's going to miss 20 or games a year now, I can only imagine you are looking at 30-40 as he ages.

damecurry · Post #17 » by **damecurry** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:03 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
LoyalKing wrote:We do

WCS is a stud and still has several years left of his rookie contract. Not sold on Beal as a MAX player and that's probably what he is going to ask to re-sign

I was a big WCS fan at draft time but has he really proven to be a "stud" thus far?

Actually... yes. I was not fan at draft time, offensive limitations, limited upside. He hasn't gotten a ton of minutes and box stats are pedestrian but he's just a great defender and already makes a substantial defensive impact thus has one of the better advanced metrics of the rookies class so far.

Post #18 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:15 pm

SKF_85 wrote: Not even sure Beal would be that much better than McLemore on the Kings.

I think this is incredibly optimistic on BMac despite all the evidence of his career to date. Can't imagine even Kings fans sharing this belief.

The Beam King · Post #19 » by **The Beam King** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:15 pm

This is a no Brainer for the Kings as in no. Because of I jury history and contract situation. Beal is the better talent now, but when you factor in that he's a rental basically this is just no Bueno for the Kings. Also, I thought cuz was for sure getting traded this year? So the king s need wcs to be there to replace cuz at the 5.

Post #20 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:23 pm

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote: Also, I thought cuz was for sure getting traded this year? So the king s need wcs to be there to replace cuz at the 5.

You know Kings fans do a ton of complaining about all the Boogie trades and I start to feel sympathy--until I noticed that Kings fans are the one introducing the topic as much as anyone.

We get it--ya'll don't want to trade him and are tired of the speculation. So stop bringing it up yourselves please.