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[Hardcore6erFan]

Noel, Wroten, Hollis Thompson, Heat 2016 1st, Thunder 2016 1st, Sixers 2018 2nd, Knicks 2019 2nd for McCollum, Leonard, Blazers 2016 1st 1-5 protected

Sixers do this trade to get another chance at a top 10 pick. Blazers do this to get an elite rim protector and replenish their draft pick stock.

[Smitty731]

What happens after 2016 if the pick isn't conveyed? The protection drops entirely? It converts to something else? That kind of thing helps when deciding value.

As for the trade, this feels light for Portland. They give up the best pick in the Draft and the best player and third best player. Wroten has no value for them. Thompson has little to no value. Those two firsts are likely to be very late. So, it really comes down to Noel. I wouldn't do McCollum for him straight up I don't think and adding Leonard only makes it worse.

Also, Portland already has young guys and vets on good contracts that can play PF/C. So Noel isn't quite as valuable for them as you might think.

[Waynearchetype]

Let me get this straight. Sixers want the best pick in the deal AND the best player in the deal?

Noel, whose only upside is defense right now, isn't close to elite this year.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/lt6/

[the_process]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

[Patsfan1081]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

I'm not sure I would agree with it, call it injuries or playing out of position but Noel is struggling. McCollum is a twenty point efficient scorer in the league now and with both only having another year left on their rookie contract I would be more confident with McCollum.

[hcsilla]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

I'm not sure I would agree with it, call it injuries or playing out of position but Noel is struggling. McCollum is a twenty point efficient scorer in the league now

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

[Mykhyn]

This doesn't make sense as a 2 team trade, A 3rd team needs to take Noel or Vonleh for value.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

I'm not sure I would agree with it, call it injuries or playing out of position but Noel is struggling. McCollum is a twenty point efficient scorer in the league now

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

Even if the Blazers would add their pick (which I doubt), they owe Denver a lottery protected pick the next two years.

[7-12-52]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

I genuinely don't see why that would be the case. I would trade CJ and Meyers for Noel but I will want a 1st included along with him.

[Foshan]

Philly isn't selling low on Noel

[HartfordWhalers]

Even if the Blazers would add their pick (which I doubt), they owe Denver a lottery protected pick the next two years.

Yeah,I have no idea how that fact hasn't reached critical mass yet.

At draft night any sort of trade is possible, and then everyone will know where the picks are. Before then, Portland is pretty handcuffed and probably everyone wants a better idea of where their guys are.

[hcsilla]

I'm not sure I would agree with it, call it injuries or playing out of position but Noel is struggling. McCollum is a twenty point efficient scorer in the league now

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

Even if the Blazers would add their pick (which I doubt), they owe Denver a lottery protected pick the next two years.

OK, then it should be a future (two years after they completed the pick conversion to Denver) lottery protected 1st.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

Even if the Blazers would add their pick (which I doubt), they owe Denver a lottery protected pick the next two years.

OK, then it should be a future (two years after they completed the pick conversion to Denver) lottery protected 1st.

I'm not a fan of having future picks tied up, I just don't believe good franchises do that. I would do it for an extraordinary deal, but swapping McCollum for Noel is not that. Something like upgrading Leonard to Noel would be worth tying up our picks like that, but that is obviously laughable for Philly (oh my god a Leonard/Okafor front-court would be worst defense of all time). But as we are in a rebuild I think we would overvalue our own picks at this point. Noel for McCollum does not help us win anything, its a lateral move, and may even set us back a little.

[the_process]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

I genuinely don't see why that would be the case. I would trade CJ and Meyers for Noel but I will want a 1st included along with him.

One, centers over guards in value, always.
Two, Noel still has elite rim protection numbers without Okafor around.
Three, scoring guards who do nothing else great aren't exactly rare.
Four, CJ is 24, Noel is 21.

So, no; the Sixers wouldn't add anything to Noel for McCollum, but instead would want more in return. But, as I stated originally, I agree Noel is not the best fit for Portland. Definitely can talk Okafor, though.

[7-12-52]

One, centers over guards in value, always.
Two, Noel still has elite rim protection numbers without Okafor around.
Three, scoring guards who do nothing else great aren't exactly rare.
Four, CJ is 24, Noel is 21.

So, no; the Sixers wouldn't add anything to Noel for McCollum, but instead would want more in return. But, as I stated originally, I agree Noel is not the best fit for Portland. Definitely can talk Okafor, though.

1. The play of a player usually dictates value, not their position.
2. Then you should keep him because Okafor looks to need an elite rim protector next to him.
3. I don't see anyone offering one for Noel. I see Wizard fans say no to Beal, Celtics fans say no to Smart.
4. Yes, this is why their is even a discussion. If they were both 21 or 24 Noel wouldn't warrant a phone call for CJ.

[bigmean]

good deal I would do it, not unlike my previous deal

[the_process]

One, centers over guards in value, always.
Two, Noel still has elite rim protection numbers without Okafor around.
Three, scoring guards who do nothing else great aren't exactly rare.
Four, CJ is 24, Noel is 21.

So, no; the Sixers wouldn't add anything to Noel for McCollum, but instead would want more in return. But, as I stated originally, I agree Noel is not the best fit for Portland. Definitely can talk Okafor, though.

1. The play of a player usually dictates value, not their position.
2. Then you should keep him because Okafor looks to need an elite rim protector next to him.
3. I don't see anyone offering one for Noel. I see Wizard fans say no to Beal, Celtics fans say no to Smart.
4. Yes, this is why their is even a discussion. If they were both 21 or 24 Noel wouldn't warrant a phone call for CJ.

So CJ has more value than Russell or Porzingis? And what fans would give for players is not what GM's would give. Again with the Noel hate. I'm guessing you secretly want him for cheap? And that's a rhetorical question.

[7-12-52]

One, centers over guards in value, always.
Two, Noel still has elite rim protection numbers without Okafor around.
Three, scoring guards who do nothing else great aren't exactly rare.
Four, CJ is 24, Noel is 21.

So, no; the Sixers wouldn't add anything to Noel for McCollum, but instead would want more in return. But, as I stated originally, I agree Noel is not the best fit for Portland. Definitely can talk Okafor, though.

1. The play of a player usually dictates value, not their position.
2. Then you should keep him because Okafor looks to need an elite rim protector next to him.
3. I don't see anyone offering one for Noel. I see Wizard fans say no to Beal, Celtics fans say no to Smart.
4. Yes, this is why their is even a discussion. If they were both 21 or 24 Noel wouldn't warrant a phone call for CJ.

So CJ has more value than Russell or Porzingis? And what fans would give for players is not what GM's would give. Again with the Noel hate. I'm guessing you secretly want him for cheap? And that's a rhetorical question.

So does Noel have more value than Russell or Porzingis? What sort of question even is that? Noel was a lower pick, has been in the league longer and has shown less than Porzingis. He also has some major red flags, whether you think they should affect his value or not. I haven't made an attempt to justify a trade for Noel on "cheap." I have simply stated I wouldn't be in favor of trading CJ for him.

[the_process]

You wrote:

1. The play of a player usually dictates value, not their position.

So I wrote:

So CJ has more value than Russell or Porzingis?

But enough about the value, because we both don't like it, so we can agree on that.

[Village Idiot]

Philly isn't selling low on Noel

It's not like Noel is performing any worse than previously. He's sucked pretty bad his whole career and if he's shown any development I haven't noticed it.

I'm not opposed to trading CJ McCollum but I would want a player in return that actually has some skill, potential or fills a need. Noel might have some potential left but strikes out on the other two criteria. Nerlens Noel is basically a young Ed Davis.