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[kennydorglas]

Steph is just a superb gifted player. We probably wont see a shooting/ballhandling combo like this for a very long time.
I cant even imagine what he'd do if he didnt have the responsability to run a team.

[bwgood77]

Oh yeah, Curry is without a doubt better than Nash was. Nash may have been a bit better passer for a few years, but not at the same stage in his career.

[garrick]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240153/Kerr-Stephen-Curry-Is-Like-Steve-Nash-On-Steroids

"He's doing things that nobody in the history of the game has ever done," Kerr said of Curry. "I told Steve Nash a few weeks ago, he's like Nash on steroids."

ehhhh.....i think people forget how Nashty #13 really was. is Steph the unbelievable playmaker that Steve was? no, i don't think so. the passes Steve used to make......Steph hasn't done that. he doesn't have to; he shoots from anywhere. but Steve turned Amar'e into a 25 pts/59% guy, one of the best scorers ever.

i don't know.....i think Steph and Steve or different, but i don't agree with this.

Steph has better players around him though at almost every position so I think Nash really made all the players around him better.

Amare would have been great wherever he went but it's the other players like Raja Bell, Tim Thomas & the offensively inept Marion that really saw a benefit from playing alongside Nash.

Marion's numbers really took a nosedive when he left PHX in particular his 3pt percentage.

[AtheJ415]

I think Nash's passing was unquestionably better than Curry's. It's something he's not given enough credit for in this discussion by the media in general, with many claiming Curry's vision and passing is comparable. I don't see that at all, not that Curry isn't a good passer. Curry is more aggressive than Nash as a scorer, which does make him better in my opinion. If you're the greatest shooter ever or one of the greatest, it's not a bad thing to shoot more. And I do think Curry's handles and scoring ability is obviously better.

[bwgood77]

I think Nash's passing was unquestionably better than Curry's. It's something he's not given enough credit for in this discussion by the media in general, with many claiming Curry's vision and passing is comparable. I don't see that at all, not that Curry isn't a good passer. Curry is more aggressive than Nash as a scorer, which does make him better in my opinion. If you're the greatest shooter ever or one of the greatest, it's not a bad thing to shoot more. And I do think Curry's handles and scoring ability is obviously better.

They are actually very close in 3 pt % at the same age, though Curry on much higher volume and probably shoots far more often with players on him. Nash did have more assists, but other than that, Curry was quite a bit better across the board and defensively. He is quite a bit better at 2 pt %. If you look at net rating or PER, there is a wide gap.

http://bkref.com/tiny/bIjch

[8on]

I think Nash's passing was unquestionably better than Curry's. It's something he's not given enough credit for in this discussion by the media in general, with many claiming Curry's vision and passing is comparable. I don't see that at all, not that Curry isn't a good passer. Curry is more aggressive than Nash as a scorer, which does make him better in my opinion. If you're the greatest shooter ever or one of the greatest, it's not a bad thing to shoot more. And I do think Curry's handles and scoring ability is obviously better.

They are actually very close in 3 pt % at the same age, though Curry on much higher volume and probably shoots far more often with players on him. Nash did have more assists, but other than that, Curry was quite a bit better across the board and defensively. He is quite a bit better at 2 pt %. If you look at net rating or PER, there is a wide gap.

http://bkref.com/tiny/bIjch

Nash made 1,685 3's over 18 years. Steph has made 1,320 3's over 7 years. it will take Steph less than half the time it took Steve, one of the greatest shooters ever (accuracy-wise, anyway), to make as many 3's.

Ray Allen, to me the greatest shooter ever, made 2,973 3's over 19 years. if Steph makes at least 270 3's a year, he'll get there in a total of 12 years. basically......pretty incredible.

the recent Gregg Popovich quote about "3 pointers aren't basketball, they're circus tricks" doesn't hold up. i will say that Michael Jordan's way of getting to 33 required more athleticism, and maybe more skill and will, but that's not to say making shots from range doesn't require skill. of course it does.....if it were easy, someone would've done this.

(Ray and Steph have both taken around 42% of their shots from 3. Ray's career 3P% is 40.3, while Steph's is 44.2. the difference is this: if you took 10 3's and made 40.3% of them, you'd have 12.09 pts. if you made 44.2%, you'd have 13.26 pts. a better illustration: in order to score that many points from 2 on the same number of shots, you'd have to shoot 60.45% to match Ray's number, or 66.3% to match Steph's number, something no big man besides DeAndre Jordan, Artis Gilmore and Wilt Chamberlain have done when scoring more than 820 pts in a season (10 ppg, 82 games). also Kyle Korver, who was the 3 pt king not too long ago. lol)

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

I think Nash's passing was unquestionably better than Curry's. It's something he's not given enough credit for in this discussion by the media in general, with many claiming Curry's vision and passing is comparable. I don't see that at all, not that Curry isn't a good passer. Curry is more aggressive than Nash as a scorer, which does make him better in my opinion. If you're the greatest shooter ever or one of the greatest, it's not a bad thing to shoot more. And I do think Curry's handles and scoring ability is obviously better.

They are actually very close in 3 pt % at the same age, though Curry on much higher volume and probably shoots far more often with players on him. Nash did have more assists, but other than that, Curry was quite a bit better across the board and defensively. He is quite a bit better at 2 pt %. If you look at net rating or PER, there is a wide gap.

http://bkref.com/tiny/bIjch

Nash made 1,685 3's over 18 years. Steph has made 1,320 3's over 7 years. it will take Steph less than half the time it took Steve, one of the greatest shooters ever (accuracy-wise, anyway), to make as many 3's.

Ray Allen, to me the greatest shooter ever, made 2,973 3's over 19 years. if Steph makes at least 270 3's a year, he'll get there in a total of 12 years. basically......pretty incredible.

the recent Gregg Popovich quote about "3 pointers aren't basketball, they're circus tricks" doesn't hold up. i will say that Michael Jordan's way of getting to 33 required more athleticism, and maybe more skill and will, but that's not to say making shots from range doesn't require skill. of course it does.....if it were easy, someone would've done this.

(Ray and Steph have both taken around 42% of their shots from 3. Ray's career 3P% is 40.3, while Steph's is 44.2. the difference is this: if you took 10 3's and made 40.3% of them, you'd have 12.09 pts. if you made 44.2%, you'd have 13.26 pts. a better illustration: in order to score that many points from 2 on the same number of shots, you'd have to shoot 60.45% to match Ray's number, or 66.3% to match Steph's number, something no big man besides DeAndre Jordan, Artis Gilmore and Wilt Chamberlain have done when scoring more than 820 pts in a season (10 ppg, 82 games). also Kyle Korver, who was the 3 pt king not too long ago. lol)

Yes, I have pointed out the value of 3s at a good fg% before. Just multiply the % x 1.5 to get what you have to make from 2 pt range to keep up. That's why Atlanta was so good last year. Korver shot 50% from 3 which meant teams would have to shoot 75% from 2 (or of course) 50% from 3 to keep up when he got hot and made a lot of shots.

And with Curry, what is also incredible is that he shoots 60% from 2 anyway, so that right there is like making 3s at 40%, but with 3s he is at 45.6% which equates to 68.4%.

He could be the founding member of the 60/45/90 club.

[AtheJ415]

I think Nash's passing was unquestionably better than Curry's. It's something he's not given enough credit for in this discussion by the media in general, with many claiming Curry's vision and passing is comparable. I don't see that at all, not that Curry isn't a good passer. Curry is more aggressive than Nash as a scorer, which does make him better in my opinion. If you're the greatest shooter ever or one of the greatest, it's not a bad thing to shoot more. And I do think Curry's handles and scoring ability is obviously better.

They are actually very close in 3 pt % at the same age, though Curry on much higher volume and probably shoots far more often with players on him. Nash did have more assists, but other than that, Curry was quite a bit better across the board and defensively. He is quite a bit better at 2 pt %. If you look at net rating or PER, there is a wide gap.

http://bkref.com/tiny/bIjch

When I said "if you're the greatest shooter ever or one of the greatest, it's not a bad thing to shoot more", I was referring to Curry. Sorry, that wasn't clear. I do think Nash would've been better as a player (not better than Curry, but better relative to what Steve was), and could've put up some of Curry's scoring totals, if he played with Curry's mentality.

I agree Curry is better, but I just hear a lot about how he's Steve Nash with better handles, when really they aren't that similar in how they play the game imo. Nash was a passer first and was a different level passing imo, and not just in terms of raw assist totals, but how impressive the assists are. Nash had the most jawdropping vision I've ever seen, and once a game or so made a pass that was not possible by any other player in NBA history imo. Steve only looked to score when he had to. Curry does neither. His passes are elite, but by no means historic in terms of difficulty, and he is an aggressive scorer who looks to get his frequently. It's just a very different style of play/mentality, even if their skill sets, size, and athletic ability was similar. I think people look at both as dominant, moderate to low level athletes with incredibly high skill sets and shooting ability, and so they lump them together.

[King4Day]

I gotta say, I'm so pissed the Spurs found a way to get Leonard and saw his potential. I can't deal with another 15 years of Spurs elite status. Indiana has to be absolutely kicking themselves for letting a star get away.

On a side note, I think it's safe to put the Spurs in the same category as the Celtics and Lakers as 'all time' franchises.
They don't have as many rings but they are consistently title contenders.

[jcsunsfan]

I gotta say, I'm so pissed the Spurs found a way to get Leonard and saw his potential. I can't deal with another 15 years of Spurs elite status. Indiana has to be absolutely kicking themselves for letting a star get away.

On a side note, I think it's safe to put the Spurs in the same category as the Celtics and Lakers as 'all time' franchises.
They don't have as many rings but they are consistently title contenders.

This is why I would be afraid to trade Booker.

[King4Day]

I gotta say, I'm so pissed the Spurs found a way to get Leonard and saw his potential. I can't deal with another 15 years of Spurs elite status. Indiana has to be absolutely kicking themselves for letting a star get away.

On a side note, I think it's safe to put the Spurs in the same category as the Celtics and Lakers as 'all time' franchises.
They don't have as many rings but they are consistently title contenders.

This is why I would be afraid to trade Booker.

With Booker, I think MCD knows he may have something special with him. Probably not superstar level, by MAYBE all-star caliber.

Leonard, he was dealt draft night (and to think we could have had him )

[8on]

I gotta say, I'm so pissed the Spurs found a way to get Leonard and saw his potential. I can't deal with another 15 years of Spurs elite status. Indiana has to be absolutely kicking themselves for letting a star get away.

On a side note, I think it's safe to put the Spurs in the same category as the Celtics and Lakers as 'all time' franchises.
They don't have as many rings but they are consistently title contenders.

This is why I would be afraid to trade Booker.

With Booker, I think MCD knows he may have something special with him. Probably not superstar level, by MAYBE all-star caliber.

Leonard, he was dealt draft night (and to think we could have had him )

even scarier: the Pacers could have both Paul George and Kawhi Leonard right now. talk about eastern conference dominance.....they'd be the Warriors of the East. the Crash (the boards) Brothers. or maybe the Brothers In Really Long Arms

[bwgood77]

This is interesting. From Kevin Pelton:

Perhaps no player has benefited more from Curry's playmaking and unparalleled gravity than Thompson.

After high-profile hacking during last season's playoffs, NBA coaches are choosing to use intentional fouls more frequently than ever before, and it's time for the league to step in.
Consider this: When playing with Curry this season, Thompson has averaged 22.9 points per 36 minutes and shot 45.2 percent from 3-point range, according to research by NBA.com/Stats. In the minutes he has played with Curry on the bench, Thompson has averaged 13.4 points per 36 minutes and shot an even 30 percent from the field (29.4 percent from 3-point range). The Warriors have been outscored by 11.5 points per 100 possessions in that span. (They're plus 23.6 with both Curry and Thompson on the court.)

To some extent, this effect runs the opposite direction, too. Thompson's shooting and floor spacing makes Curry more efficient when they play together. But Golden State has been better as a team when Curry plays without Thompson, outscoring opponents by 16.9 points per 100 possessions this season and 12.8 points per 100 possessions last season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14406371/is-golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson-really-nba-best-shooting-guard

[bigfoot]

The state of the Suns is so bad they don't even write stories about them anymore

http://valleyofthesuns.com/

[bwgood77]

Suns players you wish never played for the Suns. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1418948#start_here

[Qwigglez]

Thought you guys might enjoy this video...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfM0_ngx0zU[/youtube]

[batsmasher]

This is nearly 2 months old but I hadn't seen it and it's really cool:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFF6_5hyokU[/youtube]

[Revived]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBAAllStar/status/680417825463365632[/tweet]

[bwgood77]

Anyone see this? #MookgonnaMook

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14502727/detroit-pistons-indiana-pacers-players-fined-nba-skirmish

Of course that's what the Pistons fans are all about, particularly when it comes to the Pacers.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1420989#start_here

Fans may try and instigate a fight with George next time Indy comes to town.

[LukasBMW]

Anyone see this? #MookgonnaMook

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14502727/detroit-pistons-indiana-pacers-players-fined-nba-skirmish

Of course that's what the Pistons fans are all about, particularly when it comes to the Pacers.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1420989#start_here

Fans may try and instigate a fight with George next time Indy comes to town.