Brandon Ingram

mattao313 · Post #81 » by **mattao313** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:58 am

Maybe its because of how big he is; but he looks kinda slow imo. But he does utilize his size and length well.

sweetcity · Post #82 » by **sweetcity** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:07 pm

He looks like Giannis with a jump shot - very very intriguing prospect, but raw. He wont come into the league and tear it up. Hes a few years away IMO

sweetcity · Post #83 » by **sweetcity** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:09 pm

Who would people rather have, Ingram or Andrew Wiggins?

Post #84 » by **Domejandro** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:29 pm

sweetcity wrote:Who would people rather have, Ingram or Andrew Wiggins?

Minnesota bias, but at this point you have to pick Andrew Wiggins. At this point he is shown that he is a very likely perennial All-Star, while you just do not know with college players. I am slightly wary on Brandon Ingram as well if I am being honest; that said, I can also see him potentially developing into a Rashard Lewis type player.

sweetcity · Post #85 » by **sweetcity** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:35 pm

Domejandro wrote:
sweetcity wrote:Who would people rather have, Ingram or Andrew Wiggins?

Minnesota bias, but at this point you have to pick Andrew Wiggins. At this point he is shown that he is a very likely perennial All-Star, while you just do not know with college players. I am slightly wary on Brandon Ingram as well if I am being honest; that said, I can also see him potentially developing into a Rashard Lewis type player.

Thats an interesting comparison... I can see it, but I can also see him as a better defender. I think a lot depends on the mental makeup which none have that type of inside info

Post #86 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:57 pm

sweetcity wrote:Who would people rather have, Ingram or Andrew Wiggins?

Wiggins. Wiggins athleticism is just on another level compared to 95% of the NBA. Ingram is very long but there is a massive question if he will be able to handle the NBA. Ingram has a lot of potential but he can become the next Tayshaun Prince as well.

Post #87 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:00 pm

sweetcity wrote:He looks like Giannis with a jump shot - very very intriguing prospect, but raw. He wont come into the league and tear it up. Hes a few years away IMO

Agreed. He's going to need a couple years to put on muscle and hopefully he can put on muscle as quickly as Giannis did. The one thing with Giannis is he kept growing, the dude is a legit 6'11 now. I think Ingram has maxed out around the 6'9.5 range. But I do think Ingram is a good amount farther ahead offensivley at this time compared to Giannis at 18

No-Man · Post #88 » by **No-Man** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:02 pm

He is not as long, nor as athletic as Giannis though, Giannis doesnt have the scoring tools, but he is on another level as an athlete.

gipper08 · Post #89 » by **gipper08** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:54 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Wiggins. Wiggins athleticism is just on another level compared to 95% of the NBA. Ingram is very long but there is a massive question if he will be able to handle the NBA. Ingram has a lot of potential but he can become the next Tayshaun Prince as well.

fischella wrote:He is not as long, nor as athletic as Giannis though, Giannis doesnt have the scoring tools, but he is on another level as an athlete.

Did you guys not see Ingram's hops on that VL test? Even if his reach is 9'3 (which I doubt) he has ALL WORLD hops. Prince had like a 23 inch vertical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnMrZyQFEjY

(pardon that music)

No-Man · Post #90 » by **No-Man** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:58 pm

Giannis went anywhere he wanted with his first step and athleticism plus length, Ingram doesnt have that type of imposing athleticims.
He is sneaky good.

gipper08 · Post #91 » by **gipper08** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:01 pm

Fischella wrote:Giannis went anywhere he wanted with his first step and athleticism plus length, Ingram doesnt have that type of imposing athleticims.
He is sneaky good.

Giannis appears to have slightly more mobility. While Ingram has slightly more stability...and vertical leap (which is either tendon strength or overall power)

mobility is easier to get than stability.

Illmatic12 · Post #92 » by **Illmatic12** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:30 pm

gipper08 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Wiggins. Wiggins athleticism is just on another level compared to 95% of the NBA. Ingram is very long but there is a massive question if he will be able to handle the NBA. Ingram has a lot of potential but he can become the next Tayshaun Prince as well.

fischella wrote:He is not as long, nor as athletic as Giannis though, Giannis doesnt have the scoring tools, but he is on another level as an athlete.

Did you guys not see Ingram's hops on that VL test? Even if his reach is 9'3 (which I doubt) he has ALL WORLD hops. Prince had like a 23 inch vertical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnMrZyQFEjY

(pardon that music)

Generally those tests don't mean anything relative to in-game athleticism.

Michael Carter Williams jumped like 40+" at the combine, but have we ever seen that in-game? I could give many more examples like that.

Ingram is a good in-game athlete though, he's definitely got coordination, balance, etc for his size. His footspeed will get much better with NBA training.

reanimator · Post #93 » by **reanimator** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:38 pm

Is Ingram still a bum? :lol:

reanimator · Post #94 » by **reanimator** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:39 pm

Beyond being a better athlete, Giannis has a much better frame.

nurseryc · Post #95 » by **nurseryc** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:55 am

Disappointing game from Ingram against Utah.

The Skyhook · Post #96 » by **The Skyhook** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:30 am

Ingram having a heck of a first half

Post #97 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:55 am

20 points and 7 rebounds in the first half for Ingram

Village Idiot · Post #98 » by **Village Idiot** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:24 pm

gipper08 wrote:
Fischella wrote:Giannis went anywhere he wanted with his first step and athleticism plus length, Ingram doesnt have that type of imposing athleticims.
He is sneaky good.

Giannis appears to have slightly more mobility. While Ingram has slightly more stability...and vertical leap (which is either tendon strength or overall power)

mobility is easier to get than stability.

Very interesting. Would love to hear more details.

gipper08 · Post #99 » by **gipper08** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:54 am

Village Idiot wrote:
gipper08 wrote:
Fischella wrote:Giannis went anywhere he wanted with his first step and athleticism plus length, Ingram doesnt have that type of imposing athleticims.
He is sneaky good.

Giannis appears to have slightly more mobility. While Ingram has slightly more stability...and vertical leap (which is either tendon strength or overall power)

mobility is easier to get than stability.

Very interesting. Would love to hear more details.

An athlete with great mobility but lacks stability is at great risk for injury way more than the reverse.(think Derrick Rose)

http://www.bccorefitness.com/articles/strength-stability-mobility.html

If you are more than a casual observer of fitness you no doubt have heard of the term "core strength." If you have been in the fitness scene a while you may have heard of "core stability." And if you have dug deep enough you might even be familiar with the terms "joint stability" and "joint mobility." Some of you may actually purposefully train these qualities, and if you do then I salute you... but let's make sure you are training both.

In the last couple of years we have seen a debate amongst some experts regarding the difference between joint mobility and joint stability. Before we get into the debate let's define these terms:

Joint Stability - The ability to resist movement in a joint from an outside force

Joint Mobility - The ability to move a joint through it's full anatomical and available range of motion

Advocates of joint stability or stiffness insist that athletes need the ability to resist dynamic forces applied to joints in order to transfer kinetic energy up through the chain to other joints. You can think of this as keeping your spine straight as you lift something heavy.

Advocates of joint mobility point out that if one joint does not move well then another joint will have to compensate leading to loss of power, loss of range of motion, dramatic increased risk of injury and ultimately dysfunction in the athlete. Think of a whip that carries the force of the strike fluidly from the handle out to the tip where we get a "snap!" This is also like a boxer's punch or a soccer player's kick.

Another example is that if one area of the spine is too stiff, another area will have to move more than it should and will cause dysfunction. So make all joints mobile and you will decrease stress in surrounding joints.

Both are quite valid points when you stop to think about it.

You don't really get transfer of force without movement and you lose transfer of force when joints move sloppily out of place as force is being transferred through them...(continued in link)

damecurry · Post #100 » by **damecurry** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:01 am

sweetcity wrote:Who would people rather have, Ingram or Andrew Wiggins?

Ingram's got the shot already and seems to have better playmaking potential and Wiggins isn't living up to his defensie potential/hype so it's not an easy choice, but I'd still go Andrew just because he has shown he can be an elite scorer in the nba and Ingram's not nearly as sure a thing. I really firmly believe Brandon will either be a legit superstar or Bust. And it might take like up to 5 years or so to find out which as he'll take a long time to fully develop, but I don't see him falling in the middle. He'll either be able to adjust to elite competition in time or won't at all.