Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[TGW]

Hopefully, Grunfailed doesn't overpay.

I think these trades are based on the premise that Grunfeld won't have a choice about overpaying.

If you KNEW that someone would offer Beal a max salary this summer, would you trade him for WCS instead?

I probably wouldn't because I'm not sure of Cauley Stein's potential. But it's a tough one.

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This board is beginning to remind me of 2 years ago when we thought wall was a bust and wanted to trade him for ty lawson and pick or Jrue Holiday

overreaction of peace

Agreed.

As much as I like loathe parts of Beal's game, and his injury past, he has proven that he steps his game up in the playoffs. It's just between the months of December through about February where he plays poorly and misses games.

Hopefully, Grunfailed doesn't overpay.

There's nothing wrong w/ discussing a trade sending Beal somewhere -- everybody should be available to trade, John Wall included. It all depends on the deal you can get. This isn't family; it's business. It isn't love; it's competition.

Moreover, this is the "official trade thread", so no surprise that's what is being discussed.

Now, if you think Bradley Beal is going to get a max contract, and you think he's worth a max contract, then for sure you'd have to get a lot back for him. But if you think he's going to get it and he's not worth it (and not going to be worth it), then of course you're going to be willing to take less back.

So, AFM, what do you think -- is Beal likely to get a max offer? And either be w/ us at that level or be with some other team and we get no value?

[fishercob]

No, who da fook is WCS? I had to google that dude, absolutely not

Keep in mind, you're not particularly bright.

[AFM]

This board is beginning to remind me of 2 years ago when we thought wall was a bust and wanted to trade him for ty lawson and pick or Jrue Holiday

overreaction of peace

Agreed.

As much as I like loathe parts of Beal's game, and his injury past, he has proven that he steps his game up in the playoffs. It's just between the months of December through about February where he plays poorly and misses games.

Hopefully, Grunfailed doesn't overpay.

There's nothing wrong w/ discussing a trade sending Beal somewhere -- everybody should be available to trade, John Wall included. It all depends on the deal you can get. This isn't family; it's business. It isn't love; it's competition.

Moreover, this is the "official trade thread", so no surprise that's what is being discussed.

Now, if you think Bradley Beal is going to get a max contract, and you think he's worth a max contract, then for sure you'd have to get a lot back for him. But if you think he's going to get it and he's not worth it (and not going to be worth it), then of course you're going to be willing to take less back.

So, AFM, what do you think -- is Beal likely to get a max offer? And either be w/ us at that level or be with some other team and we get no value?

Yes I know this is the "official trade thread" doofus, that's why I said "this board". The Beal hate is spreading over into multiple threads.

We're talking in circles at this point. I had said earlier that I expect Beal to get either a max contract or very close to one. This team very obviously considers Wall and Beal as the foundation. I can't imagine any scenario where Beal doesn't reup with us, and I have a very vivid imagination, as you know.
I'd like to think him reinjuring his leg is a blessing in disguise in terms of contract negotiations, but soon to be 30 years old Wes Matthews just signed a 4 year/70M max contract with a ruptured achilles.

[AFM]

No, who da fook is WCS? I had to google that dude, absolutely not

Keep in mind, you're not particularly bright.

I can't keep that in mind, I'm not bright enough.

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Agreed.

As much as I like loathe parts of Beal's game, and his injury past, he has proven that he steps his game up in the playoffs. It's just between the months of December through about February where he plays poorly and misses games.

Hopefully, Grunfailed doesn't overpay.

There's nothing wrong w/ discussing a trade sending Beal somewhere -- everybody should be available to trade, John Wall included. It all depends on the deal you can get. This isn't family; it's business. It isn't love; it's competition.

Moreover, this is the "official trade thread", so no surprise that's what is being discussed.

Now, if you think Bradley Beal is going to get a max contract, and you think he's worth a max contract, then for sure you'd have to get a lot back for him. But if you think he's going to get it and he's not worth it (and not going to be worth it), then of course you're going to be willing to take less back.

So, AFM, what do you think -- is Beal likely to get a max offer? And either be w/ us at that level or be with some other team and we get no value?

Yes I know this is the "official trade thread" doofus, that's why I said "this board". The Beal hate is spreading over into multiple threads.

We're talking in circles at this point. I had said earlier that I expect Beal to get either a max contract or very close to one. This team very obviously considers Wall and Beal as the foundation. I can't imagine any scenario where Beal doesn't reup with us, and I have a very vivid imagination, as you know.
I'd like to think him reinjuring his leg is a blessing in disguise in terms of contract negotiations, but soon to be 30 years old Wes Matthews just signed a 4 year/70M max contract with a ruptured achilles.

I don't know whether you have a vivid imagination, but you do have a very nice smile.

I put the question wrongly: it's great to know what you "expect." Do you also think Beal *should* get a "max... or very close" contract? I.e. would *you* give him one (or match it if it came from another team)? If no, well gee, that's why people are discussing trading him.

If yes, are you sure enough that he's worth it that you think it's foolish of this board to consider that he may not be?

If you're not *that* sure, why then how could it be foolish to discuss trading him?

[WallToWall]

Bluntly speaking, it would be foolish for us to give Beal the max. He is often injured, and there is nothing in his history, so far, that can lead us to believe that he will stay healthy through a season. Yes, he is young and he is still growing. Having said that, I havent come upon a good example of a player than has had an injury filled first few seasons, and has rebounded for a great career. I cant see Beal becoming the first example. So, no to a max contract. If we can trade him, and the "price is right", we should certainly consider. Showing up in the playoff counts for something, but its not everything.

[payitforward]

I think everyone should get a max contract. It's a really nice way of letting people know you care.

They all try so hard, and it's not their fault if they aren't good. No one should be punished if they do their best.

Plus I just realized that AFM really meant to be talking about his "flushlight" -- someone should tell him where he lost it. But whisper, ok? You don't want to embarrass him.

[AFM]

There's nothing wrong w/ discussing a trade sending Beal somewhere -- everybody should be available to trade, John Wall included. It all depends on the deal you can get. This isn't family; it's business. It isn't love; it's competition.

Moreover, this is the "official trade thread", so no surprise that's what is being discussed.

Now, if you think Bradley Beal is going to get a max contract, and you think he's worth a max contract, then for sure you'd have to get a lot back for him. But if you think he's going to get it and he's not worth it (and not going to be worth it), then of course you're going to be willing to take less back.

So, AFM, what do you think -- is Beal likely to get a max offer? And either be w/ us at that level or be with some other team and we get no value?

Yes I know this is the "official trade thread" doofus, that's why I said "this board". The Beal hate is spreading over into multiple threads.

We're talking in circles at this point. I had said earlier that I expect Beal to get either a max contract or very close to one. This team very obviously considers Wall and Beal as the foundation. I can't imagine any scenario where Beal doesn't reup with us, and I have a very vivid imagination, as you know.
I'd like to think him reinjuring his leg is a blessing in disguise in terms of contract negotiations, but soon to be 30 years old Wes Matthews just signed a 4 year/70M max contract with a ruptured achilles.

I don't know whether you have a vivid imagination, but you do have a very nice smile.

I put the question wrongly: it's great to know what you "expect." Do you also think Beal *should* get a "max... or very close" contract? I.e. would *you* give him one (or match it if it came from another team)? If no, well gee, that's why people are discussing trading him.

If yes, are you sure enough that he's worth it that you think it's foolish of this board to consider that he may not be?

If you're not *that* sure, why then how could it be foolish to discuss trading him?

You must be replying to the wrong person, or you're having a senior moment.
Please tell me where I said it's foolish to discuss trading him?
I said the Beal hate is getting out of hand, which it is.

To answer your other question, no I wouldn't give him a max contract. I wouldn't trade him for WCS either. Why not just let him walk and sign someone else?

[WallToWall]

This team, as its currently constructed, will not win the title. It may make it into the first round of the playoffs, but that is looking like a stretch right now. I had this team winning 50+ games, but we have had lots of injuries, some players decline, and some just not step up. I would like to see us reset. Trade away all our assets (the mature players, not the young pups) and rebuild with draft picks and young players...something like what the Celtics did a few years back. Lets face it, if we stand pat, then given what the team will have at the end of the year, we are not a Durant away from the title, and waiting for him is not wise.

[thricethefun]

This team, as its currently constructed, will not win the title. It may make it into the first round of the playoffs, but that is looking like a stretch right now. I had this team winning 50+ games, but we have had lots of injuries, some players decline, and some just not step up. I would like to see us reset. Trade away all our assets (the mature players, not the young pups) and rebuild with draft picks and young players...something like what the Celtics did a few years back. Lets face it, if we stand pat, then given what the team will have at the end of the year, we are not a Durant away from the title, and waiting for him is not wise.

Durant if healthy makes any team a contender. Well except Philly.

[payitforward]

Yes I know this is the "official trade thread" doofus, that's why I said "this board". The Beal hate is spreading over into multiple threads.

We're talking in circles at this point. I had said earlier that I expect Beal to get either a max contract or very close to one. This team very obviously considers Wall and Beal as the foundation. I can't imagine any scenario where Beal doesn't reup with us, and I have a very vivid imagination, as you know.
I'd like to think him reinjuring his leg is a blessing in disguise in terms of contract negotiations, but soon to be 30 years old Wes Matthews just signed a 4 year/70M max contract with a ruptured achilles.

I don't know whether you have a vivid imagination, but you do have a very nice smile.

I put the question wrongly: it's great to know what you "expect." Do you also think Beal *should* get a "max... or very close" contract? I.e. would *you* give him one (or match it if it came from another team)? If no, well gee, that's why people are discussing trading him.

If yes, are you sure enough that he's worth it that you think it's foolish of this board to consider that he may not be?

If you're not *that* sure, why then how could it be foolish to discuss trading him?

You must be replying to the wrong person, or you're having a senior moment.
Please tell me where I said it's foolish to discuss trading him?
I said the Beal hate is getting out of hand, which it is.

To answer your other question, no I wouldn't give him a max contract. I wouldn't trade him for WCS either. Why not just let him walk and sign someone else?

You know what. To put off joking for a moment. You're right about the wave of anti-Bealism. It's hard to understand negativity addressed to the players themselves; they are who they are. Save it for our bumbling FO.

But, *of course* if you were going to "just let (Beal) walk and sign someone else" for that max or near-max contract, you'd trade him instead for the guy picked 6th in last year's draft! Gives you a young guy w/ an upside and a rookie contract, and it doesn't much affect your ability to sign that "someone else."

And there you have the reason for talk of exactly that trade. Not saying I agree. But I don't think it reflects the anti-Bealism. Moreso reflects your own line of thinking. Make sense?

[nate33]

FWIW, I've ramped up the "Beal hate" with an intentional purpose. I believe that management and the players read this board (and BulletsForever), or at least are in communication with people who read this board, and that this board does affect the group think around and within the organization.

I really want the conventional wisdom among hard core fans on this board and BulletsForever to change on Beal. I want Beal to be seen as "just a guy" and not a "budding superstar" because that is what he is. If that opinion percolates throughout the organization, then maybe Beal's agent and/or EG will get more realistic on his asking price.

Maybe I'm just kidding myself on the influence of the board, but maybe not.

[queridiculo]

Ironically, the Wizards might be better off if Beal played like just a guy. Beal being featured as a ball handler even for one possession is a total waste.

It takes our most effective ball handler off the ball, and puts the worst ball handling guard on the team in a position to manufacture offense out of thin air.

[popeye7318]

knick fan here:

curious to hear what you guys think of alan anderson. he doesn't seem to get any burn for you guys. knicks need another shooter

[montestewart]

knick fan here:

curious to hear what you guys think of alan anderson. he doesn't seem to get any burn for you guys. knicks need another shooter

Anderson's injured.

[AFM]

knick fan here:

curious to hear what you guys think of alan anderson. he doesn't seem to get any burn for you guys. knicks need another shooter

He's been injured all season. Hasnt been healthy yet.

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...I believe that management and the players read this board (and BulletsForever), or at least are in communication with people who read this board, and that this board does affect the group think around and within the organization. ...

Maybe I'm just kidding myself on the influence of the board, but maybe not.

I imagine that someone -- a person in Marketing -- is charged w/ a variety of ways to take fan temperature, of which one may be to check in on this board with some periodic regularity. "Influence", on the other hand? That I can't imagine!

These are "professionals;" they look on our analyses w/ disdain I'm sure. Especially Ernie, I would think, as he gives the impression in every contact w/ the press of being astonishingly sure of himself to the point of conceit -- especially for someone w/ his record of (very little) success. And organizations often take on the characteristics of their leader.

That said, there may be someone or more than one in the organization who reads some of our posts and takes some of our ideas into meetings. I doubt he says "hey, this guy 'Ruzious' came up w/ an idea I think is really good. I don't know his name; he's a fan on an online Board." How would that help? I'm sure he'd appropriate the idea. And I doubt it happens very often -- if it has happened at all, that is.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

FWIW, I've ramped up the "Beal hate" with an intentional purpose. I believe that management and the players read this board (and BulletsForever), or at least are in communication with people who read this board, and that this board does affect the group think around and within the organization.

I really want the conventional wisdom among hard core fans on this board and BulletsForever to change on Beal. I want Beal to be seen as "just a guy" and not a "budding superstar" because that is what he is. If that opinion percolates throughout the organization, then maybe Beal's agent and/or EG will get more realistic on his asking price.

Maybe I'm just kidding myself on the influence of the board, but maybe not.

As smart as you are I find this reassuring. I poured so much in the past into this forum with the same hopes and motivation.

Right now I have much better things to do. I've had ideas in the past but right now I am happy to no longer obsess over this team or Realgm. They are not friendly to me so F them. There's a whole lot more to life.

They have had years of FREE good advice from some great minds, yourself and Dat2U included.

You can keep the fight. I feel like I'm happy with my life elsewhere. Leonsis can take his billions and remain up there on high with Ernie.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

...I believe that management and the players read this board (and BulletsForever), or at least are in communication with people who read this board, and that this board does affect the group think around and within the organization. ...

Maybe I'm just kidding myself on the influence of the board, but maybe not.

I imagine that someone -- a person in Marketing -- is charged w/ a variety of ways to take fan temperature, of which one may be to check in on this board with some periodic regularity. "Influence", on the other hand? That I can't imagine!

These are "professionals;" they look on our analyses w/ disdain I'm sure. Especially Ernie, I would think, as he gives the impression in every contact w/ the press of being astonishingly sure of himself to the point of conceit -- especially for someone w/ his record of (very little) success. And organizations often take on the characteristics of their leader.

That said, there may be someone or more than one in the organization who reads some of our posts and takes some of our ideas into meetings. I doubt he says "hey, this guy 'Ruzious' came up w/ an idea I think is really good. I don't know his name; he's a fan on an online Board." How would that help? I'm sure he'd appropriate the idea. And I doubt it happens very often -- if it has happened at all, that is.

Well said.

He can stay smug and I'll say, "Millsap or Pecherov? Faried or Vesely? Steph Curry or one season of Foye/Miller? Clarkson or cash just because of a pattern of disregarded round two picks?"

Regardless of what's said in their meetings; years and years of wisdom have been dispensed in this forum. I once had an idea for a screenplay based on an organization run by polling and incorporating consensus best ideas. GM by proxy, with the capability of using trending and social media tips.

Yes, a poster like CCJ would be the twisted protagonist. Nutcase? Psychic? Prophet? Informed fan who literally dreamed up a deal...

I'm out for now.