Please fire Doc

Worm122 · Post #1 » by **Worm122** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:14 am

And trade his son

Neddy · Post #2 » by **Neddy** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:28 am

Doc is about to reach Mike Dunleavy's limits i see.

Captain Ballmer · Post #3 » by **Captain Ballmer** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:56 am

I think, our players gets a lot of T because of Doc's Whining affects them, after one point it's like, you stop looking what you've done wrong and starting to blame something else but you... just because your Coach thinks like that. Our players mental toughness getting weaker and weaker while him with his mannered altitude throwing all the blame to the players on the postgame media conferences like everything is gonna be ok!!

It's simple, we are not going anywhere with him, it's about his lack of character to embrace what it takes to get there.

We need a "Coach" can make a structure from beginning that players will be having fun for play so the fans love to see tham play basketball.

Just cut the hand before losing the arm!!

Worm122 · Post #4 » by **Worm122** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:51 pm

We should hire Thibs

Ranma · Post #5 » by **Ranma** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:56 pm

MartinToVaught · Post #6 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:50 am

Worm122 wrote:We should hire Thibs

If we're firing Doc, it would be pointless to replace him with a Doc clone. Thibs is way overrated. He has the same flaws as Doc (stubbornness, favoritism, bad rotations, can't coach a modern NBA offense) with even fewer accomplishments as a head coach.

I say we should look to Europe or the D-League for the next coach - someone who has a pulse on where the game is now and where it's going in the future. We've tried the retread approach with the last three hires and it hasn't worked out - time for a new approach.

raul28 · Post #7 » by **raul28** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:00 am

I'd like to see how Mark Jackson would do with the Clippers. I don't think he wants to coach again any time soon though.

ChosunX · Post #8 » by **ChosunX** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:00 pm

raul28 wrote:I'd like to see how Mark Jackson would do with the Clippers. I don't think he wants to coach again any time soon though.

Well it's not like the OP complained about character...

Ranma · Post #9 » by **Ranma** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:40 pm

If there is anyone more overrated than Doc Rivers, it's Mark Jackson. I'm not saying Jackson is a better coach--far from it--but rather that his reputation is comparatively elevated higher with respect to his actual coaching acumen. In short, he's a bad coach who did nothing to earn his opportunity.

Plus, there is no way he should ever be coach for the Clippers given his cowardly tactics employed against the team when he was coach of the Warriors in addition to the intensity of the rivalry between the two teams, which Jackson was heavily responsible for. The dude is a two-faced hypocrite who was at the center of a divisive locker room during his time with Golden State. If he's not cheating on his wife with a stripper while preaching with the sanctimony of a pastor, he's coming out with absurdly stupid takes like the one below. [sarcasm]You know who else was bad for the game? Michael Jordan with the glamorization of dunking.[/sarcasm]

The dude is about as slimy as Isiah Thomas. He angled heavily for the Clippers' coaching job before Doc got it, then proceeded to trash the organization as coach of the Warriors only to not-so-subtly express interest in the job again as a TV analyst after he was canned by Golden State. The fact that Steph Curry and his teammates are better off without him says a lot about Steve Kerr but also points to the lacking proper utilization of the talent on that roster by Jackson during his time there.

The guy is full of more BS than Doc and that says a lot.

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nickhx2 · Post #10 » by **nickhx2** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:55 pm

my god, i didn't think i could hate mark jackson more. but he keeps finding ways to make it happen.

Post #11 » by **og15** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:01 pm

I just can't believe someone suggested Mark Jackson, of all coaches.

The only previous coach I would want right now is JVG.

I would also not mind D'Antoni as an assistant, he gets a lot of flack, but he's a smart offensive guy, just not the best head coach because he hates practicing defense.

If the Clippers want a coach it should be a guy like a Brad Stevens, so they have to do some homework, but hiring a GM that knows and can execute the teams vision would be the first step.

Neddy · Post #12 » by **Neddy** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:27 pm

raul28 wrote:I'd like to see how Mark Jackson would do with the Clippers. I don't think he wants to coach again any time soon though.

no you didn't :curse:

Wammy Giveaway · Post #13 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:54 pm

Getting Mark Jackson is the same thing as the Clippers wanting revenge on the Warriors. He now holds a grudge against the clubhouse for not getting any of the credit in spearheading the team to greener pastures. It would be a move of pettiness, jealousy and vengeance.

The Clippers want to be loved, not hated. They're already hated. If Jackson were recruited to coach the Clippers, they would become the proverbial team of evil that the 29 other teams will want to see slayed like a hero would do to a villain. Jackson would turn the league into the WWE.

Alex DeLarge · Post #14 » by **Alex DeLarge** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:05 am

A year ago the majority of LAC fans were shouting down anyone who dared suggest that Doc wasn't all he was cracked up to be.

We all know the litany of bad moves by Doc, but for me the real turning point was the acquisition of Austin. The Clippers didn't give up much, but because Austin is his son it basically ensured that the Clippers wouldn't go after a genuine backup PG. The Pelicans signed Ish Smith for half of what Doc gave to Austin this off-season. You can't win in the NBA without a SF or a backup PG, and Doc's moves have ensured that the Clippers have neither.

TucsonClip · Post #15 » by **TucsonClip** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:08 pm

Mark Jackson was/is not a good coach.

Post #16 » by **og15** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:00 pm

Alex DeLarge wrote:A year ago the majority of LAC fans were shouting down anyone who dared suggest that Doc wasn't all he was cracked up to be.

We all know the litany of bad moves by Doc, but for me the real turning point was the acquisition of Austin. The Clippers didn't give up much, but because Austin is his son it basically ensured that the Clippers wouldn't go after a genuine backup PG. The Pelicans signed Ish Smith for half of what Doc gave to Austin this off-season. You can't win in the NBA without a SF or a backup PG, and Doc's moves have ensured that the Clippers have neither.

Yup, I know what you mean, I remember criticizing his signings his first season because they didn't fill the teams biggest holes and people were not having it...but I understand, he was and is still a good coach, but that suckered us into also expecting him to be a good GM.

He did make his own life hard by meddling with the Austin situation though. They had already made some troubling moves, and that put him in a situation where Austin really had to be great unless there would be problems.

Ranma · Post #17 » by **Ranma** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:53 pm

I disliked the Austin Rivers trade because he was a player I felt who could be had for practically free as he was a throw-in for Boston in another deal. They were probably about to waive him as they had very little interest in keeping him and no other team in the league expressed interest in him either. Having said that, Reggie Bullock has pretty much busted, so in the end, Doc made the right call in that instance.

However, what was further troubling was that Doc immediately gave his son the opportunity to contribute and develop with steady playing time when he was unwilling to be as patient with Bullock and C.J. Wilcox. One could argue that Austin is more talented and that Doc was more familiar with him, but it also points to how lacking Doc's team of personnel evaluators has been in identifying talent and fits through the draft. Quite frankly, he treated the draft and our first-round picks as afterthoughts until he realized how valuable they were by observing other teams' emphasis on them and in light of his roster mismanagement.

Going back to Austin, I said from the beginning that he still had potential but that his mindset and attitude seemed to always get in the way of him realizing it, which is why I felt Doc was one of the few people who could reach him. Still, it was very easy to write him off when Coach K couldn't get through to him.

In any case, I don't think any of us really ever saw him as a true PG, which is why playing him as understudy to Chris Paul seems to benefit him more than the team. He's a capable combo guard with defense who can handle some point duties on occasion, but I felt the team should have pursued a more traditional point guard for the backup role.

Oh, by the way, I was also skeptical of Rivers especially with his added duties as GM, but I was trying to keep an open mind and gave him a shot to prove me wrong. Unfortunately, he hasn't. Even though I've expressed my feelings that the season is lost, I still think Doc as a coach has a chance to right the ship in getting the most out of the team, but drastic changes have to be made in terms of personnel and use of such players. That means a trade and improved player rotations.

Alex DeLarge · Post #18 » by **Alex DeLarge** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:19 am

Ranma wrote:I disliked the Austin Rivers trade because he was a player I felt who could be had for practically free as he was a throw-in for Boston in another deal. They were probably about to waive him as they had very little interest in keeping him and no other team in the league expressed interest in him either. Having said that, Reggie Bullock has pretty much busted, so in the end, Doc made the right call in that instance.

However, what was further troubling was that Doc immediately gave his son the opportunity to contribute and develop with steady playing time when he was unwilling to be as patient with Bullock and C.J. Wilcox. One could argue that Austin is more talented and that Doc was more familiar with him, but it also points to how lacking Doc's team of personnel evaluators has been in identifying talent and fits through the draft. Quite frankly, he treated the draft and our first-round picks as afterthoughts until he realized how valuable they were by observing other teams' emphasis on them and in light of his roster mismanagement.

Going back to Austin, I said from the beginning that he still had potential but that his mindset and attitude seemed to always get in the way of him realizing it, which is why I felt Doc was one of the few people who could reach him. Still it was very easy to write him off when Coach K couldn't get through to him.

In any case, I don't think any of us really ever saw him as a true PG, which is why playing him as understudy to Chris Paul seems to benefit him more than the team. He's a capable combo guard with defense who can handle some point duties on occasion, but I felt the team should have pursued a more traditional point guard for the backup role.

Oh, by the way, I was also skeptical of Rivers especially with his added duties as GM, but I was trying to keep an open mind and gave him a shot to prove me wrong. Unfortunately, he hasn't. Even though I've expressed my feelings that the season is lost, I still think Doc as a coach has a chance to right the ship in getting the most out of the team, but drastic changes have to be made in terms of personnel and use of such players. That means a trade and improved player rotations.

This is so true.

Austin is a solid perimeter defender. He should be a fifth guard who gets minutes when the team needs stops. Not only is he a bad PG, but he lacks a PG mentality. He needs to spend time in the gym working on his 3pt shot, because backup SG is where his future lies (if he does in fact have a future in the NBA.

For Doc Rivers to treat the Clippers as training program for his son is a disgrace. Blake, CP3 and especially the fans deserve a lot better.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #19 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:24 am

Alex DeLarge wrote:Austin is a solid perimeter defender. He should be a fifth guard who gets minutes when the team needs stops. Not only is he a bad PG, but he lacks a PG mentality. He needs to spend time in the gym working on his 3pt shot, because backup SG is where his future lies (if he does in fact have a future in the NBA.

I actually wonder if Austin should become a small forward. He's undersized, he can't jump shoot, and he can't facilitate. But he has speed which is needed for cutting to the basket, and he is a very good, maybe only capable defender beyond Paul and Jordan. In fact, I pegged Austin as the Clipper's defensive specialist. But then this came to my head: imagine Austin guarding a small forward during the final seconds of a game in attempts of preventing a Sudden Death Shot. We've yet to see him in final second situations.

Alex DeLarge wrote:For Doc Rivers to treat the Clippers as training program for his son is a disgrace. Blake, CP3 and especially the fans deserve a lot better.

That's one of the side effects of your coach/GM being your father. It's one thing to love your players, it's another to look at your players as assets. But when one of your players is your son, the coach and GM personalities come together. The coach says "I love Austin." The GM says "Austin is untradeable." But the father is the kicker when he says "Nobody is going to take my son away from me." And that's where things start to get really murky, when you value your son over the Clippers franchise.

Let me give you an example in conflict of interest. Pretend Doc River's only hope for a competent small forward is to trade for a superstar small forward and targets either Paul George or Kevin Durant. In both of these situations, the GMs require that Doc gives up his son for the salaries to match in addition to Jordan or Griffin. Another option is the farm trade, something Doc seems desperate to deal as he is trying to re-create the very moves that Danny Ainge did that led to his instant championship in 2008. Whichever option he pursues, the Pacers and Thunder both demand that his son be in the deal.

Doc: "I'll give you Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan for (superstar), straight up."
GM: "Not good enough. You lead the most hated team in the NBA. We don't trust you. We want some insurance. Trade me your son."
Doc: "No deal."
GM: "I'll make you a better deal. You can keep your stars. We'll take a part of your bad bench, but you must include your son in the deal."
Doc hangs up
GM: "Typical Rivers. Father first before business."

Ranma · Post #20 » by **Ranma** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:52 am

Wammy Giveaway wrote:[I actually wonder if Austin should become a small forward. He's undersized, he can't jump shoot, and he can't facilitate. But he has speed which is needed for cutting to the basket, and he is a very good, maybe only capable defender beyond Paul and Jordan. In fact, I pegged Austin as the Clipper's defensive specialist. But then this came to my head: imagine Austin guarding a small forward during the final seconds of a game in attempts of preventing a Sudden Death Shot. We've yet to see him in final second situations.

Austin is too undersized to be a small forward. His DraftExpress profile lists him at 6'3.5" without shoes and 6'5" with shoes along along with a 6'7.25" wingspan and 37.5" max vertical. For comparison, J.J. Redick's profile has him at 6'4" without shoes and 6'4.75" with them along with a 6'3.25" wingspan and 33" max vertical. Meanwhile, Dwyane Wade's profile shows his height at 6'3.75" without shoes and 6'4.75" with as well as a 6'10.75" wingspan and 35" max vertical.

While Austin is technically the tallest of the trio while wearing shoes, he also received the biggest boost in his choice of footwear with a 1.5-inch elevation, which doubled Redick's and was 50% higher than D-Wade's. Junior Rivers surprisingly had the highest max vertical beating Wade by 2.5 inches but his wingspan was actually 3.5 inches shorter than Wade's. In short (no pun intended), Austin Rivers lacks both the height and length to play the 3 spot.

That's one of the side effects of your coach/GM being your father. It's one thing to love your players, it's another to look at your players as assets. But when one of your players is your son, the coach and GM personalities come together. The coach says "I love Austin." The GM says "Austin is untradeable." But the father is the kicker when he says "Nobody is going to take my son away from me." And that's where things start to get really murky, when you value your son over the Clippers franchise.

To be fair to Doc, he didn't want to trade for his son to avoid such perceived conflict of interests or so he says. His staff supposedly convinced him to make the deal. I seriously doubt he would not trade for Durant with Austin as the only obstacle to accomplishing that. At the same time, I'm sure he'd catch some hell from his wife and kids if he traded for George, who cheated on Doc's daughter. In any case, neither scenario is likely and Austin probably isn't long for this organization whether Doc stays or not; Austin was looking for greener pastures this past off-season but only returned because he couldn't find any takers offering him more money than Doc. It remains to be seen whether Austin will exercise his player option for next season, which is funny to think that a guy on the brink of being out of the league was able to negotiate that option into his current deal.