Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[Red Larrivee]

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And they weren't connecting with Thibodeau's my way or the highway style either.

Icing on the cake: Thibodeau somehow managed to turn an entire basketball organization (including ownership) against him. But hey, let's continue to believe Thibodeau was a victim.

[bullslas]

Rose would be better if Butler was gone. Just like last year in that final game, Rose told Butler here you go, it's your team, and Butler failed. Once Butler has the ball he never passes back to Rose. Yup, Butler is more efficient but he also takes shots he wants to, while Rose is forced to shoot because no one else wants it.

But it's all Rose's fault. Jimmy needs to stop hanging out at Spybar at 4am during weekdays.

Butler forgot how to play defense. Hopefully other players call out Jimmy for his awful defensive play of late.

[johnnyvann840]

Who cares, we suck. And the stadium is still full.

Nowhere close to it this year except for the big games and their move to further mediocrity is only going to make it worse.

I think he means "sold out".... but yeah, two entirely different things these days.

[R3AL1TY]

No matter who gripes to media(usually not a good look), if the right personnel isn't available to put up Ws, no coach can fix that.

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[fleet]

So if Hoiberg calls Jimmy out for his crappy defense the last 2 games and for his tendency to try and score off ISO plays way too much in general, Jimmy would be ok with this?

Why don't I believe that?

Butler is probably right in that Hoiberg needs to be tougher on the players, but calling him out through the media is not the best way to try and fix things

Yeah, I don't know what the end game is here. I don't think Butler would appreciate any coach who is being brutally honest about his players without the hardware to back it up. I don't think any coach would appreciate a player who is brutally honest about his coaching staff without the hardware to back it up.

If Pop coached this team, If (you name the tenured winner) any coach that was already dealing with whatever problem Jimmy is identifying, then none of this would have been said about the coaching. Granted, he might be calling out players for not being professional, but bottom line, it has become clear that Hoiberg isn't doing what he should be doing. Not to Jimmy's satisfaction anyway. I'll remind you that Jimmy has actually been whispering about players not being professional (so to speak), and I guess, this has not been dealt with by the coaching staff.

[BrooklynBulls]

Well it's been 4 pages and nobody's said it: I think Jimmy more than anything, is talking about Rose.

[Red Larrivee]

I'll remind you that Jimmy has actually been whispering about players not being professional (so to speak), and I guess, this has not been dealt with by the coaching staff.

The irony is that Butler might end up being the most unprofessional one after his comments.

If this is our future under Jimmy's leadership, I don't want any part of it.

[fleet]

I'll remind you that Jimmy has actually been whispering about players not being professional (so to speak), and I guess, this has not been dealt with by the coaching staff.

The irony is that Butler might end up being the most unprofessional one after his comments.

in a sense. In a decorum sense, I guess. Either way, the symptom is not the disease.

[AirP.]

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And they weren't connecting with Thibodeau's my way or the highway style either.

Icing on the cake: Thibodeau somehow managed to turn an entire basketball organization (including ownership) against him. But hey, let's continue to believe Thibodeau was a victim.

Understand, it wasn't ALL of them not connecting but probably just a few key players.

Everyone knew in 2014 Thibs was gone and who his successor was going to be it was on these boards. He was a lame duck coach with the FO deciding to side with the "injured" players, come back on your own time we'll get rid of the big mean coach... only a player knows when they can come back.

It'll be very interesting to see if Thibs ever really reveals all that went on in Chicago during his years in Chicago in book form, it would probably be a very interesting read. Would also like to know his thoughts on individual players.

Butler is a hard working player, I kinda expect he has problems with teammates he thinks could be doing more, both in games and in practices. He's actually the type of leader you want on a team.

[Wingy]

What I saw in that huge Charlotte blow out worried me and aligns w/Jimmy's comments. Some nights we're going to get our butts kicked like that night.

The way it happened though was jarring. It was maybe the worst team basketball I've personally ever seen the Bulls play. Fred did nothing about it. No timeouts, no subs...seemed like he didn't demand any accountability that particular night. Jimmy implies it may not have been a one night thing.

[Red Larrivee]

in a sense. In a decorum sense, I guess. Either way, the symptom is not the disease.

Possibly. This could be a chicken or the egg conversation.

Is Butler simply a product of a potentially divided locker room, or is his new found confidence and leadership desire one of the catalysts of a potentially divided locker room?

[Jcool0]

The problem is not Fred being to easy on players its Fred not putting out the correct rotations and substituting incorrectly.

[DarthDiggler69]

Team doesn't need Thibs, Thib's coaching is what got us to Hoiberg. He lost the team last year also

[DarthDiggler69]

What I saw in that huge Charlotte blow out worried me and aligns w/Jimmy's comments. Some nights we're going to get our butts kicked like that night.

The way it happened though was jarring. It was maybe the worst team basketball I've personally ever seen the Bulls play. Fred did nothing about it. No timeouts, no subs...seemed like he didn't demand any accountability that particular night. Jimmy implies it may not have been a one night thing.

If that Charlotte game was the worst basketball game you seen the Bulls play you obviously weren't around in 1999-2003. Anyway Charlotte is actually good and right behind the Bulls. And what does Jimmy know to start saying all kinds of stuff now, they guy is good but he's getting too full of himself. Bulls straight up got their butt whooped from the tip off and Hornets could not miss a shot even when the Bulls tightened their D, game was too out of reach to make adjustments

[TheGOATRises007]

in a sense. In a decorum sense, I guess. Either way, the symptom is not the disease.

Possibly. This could be a chicken or the egg conversation.

Is Butler simply a product of a potentially divided locker room, or is his new found confidence and leadership desire one of the catalysts of a potentially divided locker room?

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

[DarthDiggler69]

in a sense. In a decorum sense, I guess. Either way, the symptom is not the disease.

Possibly. This could be a chicken or the egg conversation.

Is Butler simply a product of a potentially divided locker room, or is his new found confidence and leadership desire one of the catalysts of a potentially divided locker room?

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

What is interesting is that Noah's quote tonight that the team can't be coached any harder seems to counter Butler's comment

[kingkirk]

The problem is not Fred being to easy on players its Fred not putting out the correct rotations and substituting incorrectly.

Every coach in the history of the game has made rotational issues that a large segment of the fan base didn't agree with.

[TheGOATRises007]

Possibly. This could be a chicken or the egg conversation.

Is Butler simply a product of a potentially divided locker room, or is his new found confidence and leadership desire one of the catalysts of a potentially divided locker room?

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

What is interesting is that Noah's quote tonight that the team can't be coached any harder seems to counter Butler's comment

Just annoying. Just a really dumb comment by Butler.

[fleet]

in a sense. In a decorum sense, I guess. Either way, the symptom is not the disease.

Possibly. This could be a chicken or the egg conversation.

Is Butler simply a product of a potentially divided locker room, or is his new found confidence and leadership desire one of the catalysts of a potentially divided locker room?

I sort of find it hard to believe there is a cadre of lazier players Vs the hard chargers. And I would also find it hard to believe one of the hard chargers (say Noah) would be sitting with the lazier players in a standoff. I don't see how a divided locke rroom would be organized. Its not as if there is a group of guys that likes to go out at night and not prepare and perform the next day in practice. How can this be divided in groups aligned against each other? I just think Jimmy has identified some guys or guy that isn't pulling his/their weight, and he has taken it upon himself since his concerns (and maybe even other guys concerns) have not been handled.

[Rerisen]

Well it's been 4 pages and nobody's said it: I think Jimmy more than anything, is talking about Rose.

Seems bigger than that. Unless he's blind to that Rose can barely make layups and is mostly washed up.

Sure some nights Rose runs a little faster and takes more shots, but it doesn't really seem to make him better either way. He just ends up 9-25 on his 'aggressive' nights or whatever.