Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[Red Larrivee]

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

I don't want to point fingers, but I just find it interesting that all these locker room divide rumors started last season with Butler's increased role and confidence. Gasol arrived last season as well and could potentially be a culprit. Maybe Mirotic is a douche, who knows?

I just find it hard to believe that any Bull who had a significant role on those 60+ win teams that were raved about for their brotherhood and terrific chemistry, have somehow become cancers.

[TheGOATRises007]

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

I don't want to point fingers, but I just find it interesting that all these locker room divide rumors started last season with Butler's increased role and confidence. Gasol arrived last season as well and could potentially be a culprit. Maybe Mirotic is a douche, who knows?

I just find it hard to believe that any Bull who had a significant role on those 60+ win teams that were raved about for their brotherhood and terrific chemistry, have somehow become cancers.

It's tough for me to believe too. Those previous Bulls' team had a lot of fun playing out there.

This team play as if it's a chore to go out there and ball. There's no fun at all.

[Indomitable]

What I saw in that huge Charlotte blow out worried me and aligns w/Jimmy's comments. Some nights we're going to get our butts kicked like that night.

The way it happened though was jarring. It was maybe the worst team basketball I've personally ever seen the Bulls play. Fred did nothing about it. No timeouts, no subs...seemed like he didn't demand any accountability that particular night. Jimmy implies it may not have been a one night thing.

If that Charlotte game was the worst basketball game you seen the Bulls play you obviously weren't around in 1999-2003. Anyway Charlotte is actually good and right behind the Bulls. And what does Jimmy know to start saying all kinds of stuff now, they guy is good but he's getting too full of himself. Bulls straight up got their butt whooped from the tip off and Hornets could not miss a shot even when the Bulls tightened their D, game was too out of reach to make adjustments

People love the Jimmy story but he is not infallible. He is acting like an ass. Call a team meeting and F lead. If this was Brandon Marshall people would be all over him. Even though Brandon has been a far better football player over the length of his career.

Oh and I would trade Jimmy for Cousins. Hey if he is going to be a malcontent

[Jcool0]

The problem is not Fred being to easy on players its Fred not putting out the correct rotations and substituting incorrectly.

Every coach in the history of the game has made rotational issues that a large segment of the fan base didn't agree with.

Yeah and every coach has wins and losses on there record as well. What is your point?

[Swarles Xavier]

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

I don't want to point fingers, but I just find it interesting that all these locker room divide rumors started last season with Butler's increased role and confidence. Gasol arrived last season as well and could potentially be a culprit. Maybe Mirotic is a douche, who knows?

I just find it hard to believe that any Bull who had a significant role on those 60+ win teams that were raved about for their brotherhood and terrific chemistry, have somehow become cancers.

It's all Boozer. Boozer was the guy keeping it all together.

[Rerisen]

I just find it hard to believe that any Bull who had a significant role on those 60+ win teams that were raved about for their brotherhood and terrific chemistry, have somehow become cancers.

I think a lot of it is the team is just frustrated with its talent ceiling. They believed the hype starting last year, and now think they somehow should be able to live up to it, even though they can't, even when each individual player think he's playing hard.

While this team peaked a little higher than the 08 squad, its essentially the same process happening. Repeated painful defeats in the playoffs bringing the realization they simply aren't good enough, despite being told they are supposed to be contenders. But since they can't exactly come out and say, trade this or that guy, they just make general frustrated comments about effort, coaching, etc.

The team has been kept together too long, its past its due date, then it didn't help they started infusing the next generation in in the midst of the old core still trying to contend, and for the most part the kids have done squat all to help the team advance.

[BrooklynBulls]

Well it's been 4 pages and nobody's said it: I think Jimmy more than anything, is talking about Rose.

Seems bigger than that. Unless he's blind to that Rose can barely make layups and is mostly washed up.

Sure some nights Rose runs a little faster and takes more shots, but it doesn't really seem to make him better either way. He just ends up 9-25 on his 'aggressive' nights or whatever.

I don't think it's about Rose's field goal percentage. He's dogging it in every way. His transition defense is pathetic most of the time. His man defense is ok because of his physical ability, but his P&R defense when Gasol's on the floor? It's swiss chease. He should be compensating for Gasol's lack of ability to play up on the P&R by putting pressure on the handler, instead he dies on every screen. He doesn't even run hard on fastbreak buckets unless he's got the ball. And backcuts? Does he ever backcut anymore? Ever? He stands and watches whenever the balls not in his hands, and half the time, he does the same even when it is. Even his passes are lazy. It's kind of appalling.

[fleet]

Possibly. This could be a chicken or the egg conversation.

Is Butler simply a product of a potentially divided locker room, or is his new found confidence and leadership desire one of the catalysts of a potentially divided locker room?

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

What is interesting is that Noah's quote tonight that the team can't be coached any harder seems to counter Butler's comment

I took that Noah comment as..."you aren't gonna get me into the same media circus boat as Jimmy"

[Indomitable]

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

I don't want to point fingers, but I just find it interesting that all these locker room divide rumors started last season with Butler's increased role and confidence. Gasol arrived last season as well and could potentially be a culprit. Maybe Mirotic is a douche, who knows?

I just find it hard to believe that any Bull who had a significant role on those 60+ win teams that were raved about for their brotherhood and terrific chemistry, have somehow become cancers.

I just feel Jimmy is kinda of a phony.

[Rerisen]

Well it's been 4 pages and nobody's said it: I think Jimmy more than anything, is talking about Rose.

Seems bigger than that. Unless he's blind to that Rose can barely make layups and is mostly washed up.

Sure some nights Rose runs a little faster and takes more shots, but it doesn't really seem to make him better either way. He just ends up 9-25 on his 'aggressive' nights or whatever.

I don't think it's about Rose's field goal percentage. He's dogging it in every way. His transition defense is pathetic most of the time. His man defense is ok because of his physical ability, but his P&R defense when Gasol's on the floor? It's swiss chease. He should be compensating for Gasol's lack of ability to play up on the P&R by putting pressure on the handler, instead he dies on every screen. He doesn't even run hard on fastbreak buckets unless he's got the ball. And backcuts? Does he ever backcut anymore? Ever? He stands and watches whenever the balls not in his hands, and half the time, he does the same even when it is. Even his passes are lazy. It's kind of appalling.

Nothing Fred Hoiberg says will change how Derrick plays. I wonder if Jimmy knows that deep down, I think he must. Rose just said the other day he's going to play the way he wants, not how anyone else wants him to.

So not sure what the recourse would be in Butler's eyes, benching Rose? Not very realistic when the alternative are Brooks and Hinrich.

[Red Larrivee]

People love the Jimmy story but he is not infallible. He is acting like an ass. Call a team meeting and F lead. If this was Brandon Marshall people would be all over him. Even though Brandon has been a far better football player over the length of his career.

The sad thing is that people were actually buying that Marshall was a leader. I won't compare JB to him, because Marshall is a flatout sociopath.

[R3AL1TY]

That brings up an interesting topic.

If Butler calls out the team like this publicly, what does he do privately?

Does it bother the players? Are they at a disconnect? I mean it would explain the iso ball at times. "Alright Jimmy, you're talking a big game, walk the talk." sort of thing.

I just hate the way he called out the coach after a L on a back to back after a 4OT game last night. Just makes no sense to me.

What is interesting is that Noah's quote tonight that the team can't be coached any harder seems to counter Butler's comment

Just annoying. Just a really dumb comment by Butler.

I was even expecting these type of negative comments in the media to come from Noah since he is no longer a starter. But it is apparent Butler is the one slowly leading this campaign. Hopefully, the team puts Butler in check to keep in-house stuff that can be fixed private or else things can get worse.

[Red Larrivee]

It's all Boozer. Boozer was the guy keeping it all together.

It's a little tounge and cheek, but Boozer left two seasons ago and was absolutely beloved by the players on the team, even despite his glaring flaws.

[Rerisen]

Hoiberg actually seemed like a hiring intended to unleash Rose, quite the opposite from building a team where his role was demoted. To do that they would have had to get a better PG in here.

Instead Fred and GarPax played up how his system was going to be great for Derrick getting up and down. Welp....

[weneeda2guard]

Well it's been 4 pages and nobody's said it: I think Jimmy more than anything, is talking about Rose.

Of course it's about rose. It's always about rose

He could have said "look yall, I'm specifically talking about this punk ass coach fake mayor Fred hoiberg" and some fan would say "see if rose wasn't getting paid 20 mill, then the front office could improve the roster, and the bulls could win more games, and Hoiball could work, and jimmy wouldn't have to call out hoiberg, it's all on rose"

Hell we just saw someone tell me, that if rose was more efficient, jimmy would play better defense, snell would actually score a point, niko would go back to his 1 month glory days, mcdermott would actually not get killed 1 on 1, world hunger would end, the fugees would get back together, so much would get fixed if rose would just dominate the ball and score 30 a night like the old days.

[DarthDiggler69]

Seems bigger than that. Unless he's blind to that Rose can barely make layups and is mostly washed up.

Sure some nights Rose runs a little faster and takes more shots, but it doesn't really seem to make him better either way. He just ends up 9-25 on his 'aggressive' nights or whatever.

I don't think it's about Rose's field goal percentage. He's dogging it in every way. His transition defense is pathetic most of the time. His man defense is ok because of his physical ability, but his P&R defense when Gasol's on the floor? It's swiss chease. He should be compensating for Gasol's lack of ability to play up on the P&R by putting pressure on the handler, instead he dies on every screen. He doesn't even run hard on fastbreak buckets unless he's got the ball. And backcuts? Does he ever backcut anymore? Ever? He stands and watches whenever the balls not in his hands, and half the time, he does the same even when it is. Even his passes are lazy. It's kind of appalling.

Nothing Fred Hoiberg says will change how Derrick plays. I wonder if Jimmy knows that deep down, I think he must. Rose just said the other day he's going to play the way he wants, not how anyone else wants him to.

So not sure what the recourse would be in Butler's eyes, benching Rose? Not very realistic when the alternative are Brooks and Hinrich.

Though Rose has been playing with pace lately, since he got his haircut, it seems like Hoiberg or something has gotten into him lately. If Butler is calling out Rose, this was the wrong time to do it

[TheStig]

Outside of the fact that the roster is flawed and the players don't run the offense and don't respect Hoiberg. This team is so 5 years ago outside of Butler. It's a bunch of guys who still think they're in their primes when weather its injury or age, they aren't that guy anymore.

[Rerisen]

Meh, it doesn't really matter if Butler makes waves or doesn't. We'll just win our 48-54 games, do our 2nd round thing and get ready for the future.

If anything, a little drama like this might make an otherwise predictable seasons a little more interesting, and possibly even bring about a much needed shake up.

[Mirotek]

I think Jimmy is talking about ridiculous shots from Aaron Brooks and Niko. Maybe he wants Fred to let them know not to just jack up a shot with 19 seconds on the clock.

[R3AL1TY]

Something tells me Butler doesn't like Niko and Pau on the court because I see him gripe the most with them during games. He probably thinks Fred is not being hard on their flaws.