Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[Red Larrivee]

Hoiberg actually seemed like a hiring intended to unleash Rose, quite the opposite from building a team where his role was demoted. To do that they would have had to get a better PG in here.

Instead Fred and GarPax played up how his system was going to be great for Derrick getting up and down. Welp....

I think Fred was hired because they view him as a coach who can adapt in any type of weather and is the opposite of Thibodeau, in that he's willing to be apart of the organization instead of flipping it upside down. Not a yes man, as much as a great "teammate."

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Well it's been 4 pages and nobody's said it: I think Jimmy more than anything, is talking about Rose.

Of course it's about rose. It's always about rose

He could have said "look yall, I'm specifically talking about this punk ass coach fake mayor Fred hoiberg" and some fan would say "see if rose wasn't getting paid 20 mill, then the front office could improve the roster, and the bulls could win more games, and Hoiball could work, and jimmy wouldn't have to call out hoiberg, it's all on rose"

Hell we just saw someone tell me, that if rose was more efficient, jimmy would play better defense, snell would actually score a point, niko would go back to his 1 month glory days, mcdermott would actually not get killed 1 on 1, world hunger would end, the fugees would get back together, so much would get fixed if rose would just dominate the ball and score 30 a night like the old days.

I don't agree with your premise, but this post has me rolling.

[DarthDiggler69]

I think Jimmy is talking about ridiculous shots from Aaron Brooks and Niko. Maybe he wants Fred to let them know not to just jack up a shot with 19 seconds on the clock.

Under Thibs that wasn't ok but under Fred its shoot if your open, though Brooks does abuse it many times.

[BrooklynBulls]

Hoiberg actually seemed like a hiring intended to unleash Rose, quite the opposite from building a team where his role was demoted. To do that they would have had to get a better PG in here.

Instead Fred and GarPax played up how his system was going to be great for Derrick getting up and down. Welp....

I think Fred was hired because they view him as a coach who can adapt in any type of weather and is the opposite of Thibodeau, in that he's willing to be apart of the organization instead of flipping it upside down. Not a yes man, as much as a great "teammate."

I think Hoiberg was hired because Paxson really likes him as a person.

[Rerisen]

Hoiberg actually seemed like a hiring intended to unleash Rose, quite the opposite from building a team where his role was demoted. To do that they would have had to get a better PG in here.

Instead Fred and GarPax played up how his system was going to be great for Derrick getting up and down. Welp....

I think Fred was hired because they view him as a coach who can adapt in any type of weather and is the opposite of Thibodeau, in that he's willing to be apart of the organization instead of flipping it upside down. Not a yes man, as much as a great "teammate."

I think Hoiberg was hired because Paxson really likes him as a person.

Pax still looking for his twin to coach?

Perhaps he thought Vinny was that at first, but then choked him.

[Red Larrivee]

Something tells me Butler doesn't like Niko and Pau on the court because I see him gripe the most with them during games. He probably thinks Fred is not being hard on their flaws.

So far, we have theories on Butler not being pleased with different factors of each players play and the coach. Right or wrong, Butler is not at the level to really be able to do this. He's not quite Kendrick Lamar on "Control."

[DarthDiggler69]

Hoiberg actually seemed like a hiring intended to unleash Rose, quite the opposite from building a team where his role was demoted. To do that they would have had to get a better PG in here.

Instead Fred and GarPax played up how his system was going to be great for Derrick getting up and down. Welp....

I think Fred was hired because they view him as a coach who can adapt in any type of weather and is the opposite of Thibodeau, in that he's willing to be apart of the organization instead of flipping it upside down. Not a yes man, as much as a great "teammate."

I think Hoiberg was hired because Paxson really likes him as a person.

Hoiberg was also a good player/teammate(i respected him alot as a Bulls player back then), a good executive and a good and innovative college coach who won with less. I still like the move, it gives the Bulls a up to date system they can implement in the D-league rather than the micromanaging system Thibs had that every team knew and could not be implemented in the D-League without Thibs yelling at them too. Bulls are a streamlined organization again from management to coaching, thats the way it should be

[Rerisen]

Something tells me Butler doesn't like Niko and Pau on the court because I see him gripe the most with them during games. He probably thinks Fred is not being hard on their flaws.

So far, we have theories on Butler not being pleased with different factors of each players play and the coach. Right or wrong, Butler is not at the level to really be able to do this. He's not quite Kendrick Lamar on "Control."

Sadly, doesn't look like Fred is at the level to do it either. Almost 1/3 into the season and no change from guys like Niko, Snell, of course Rose. Offense is no better than the first week, buy in is no better, consistency is no better.

[Rerisen]

Jimmy is stuck here for 4 more years. Don't think he wants to replay last year with this team. And that's exactly the track they are on.

His comments aren't PC but if they can disrupt this elevated mediocrity enough to cause a change, he might just be sly like a fox.

[DarthDiggler69]

More I think about it, this could be about Pau sitting out tonight.

[Rerisen]

More I think about it, this could be about Pau sitting out tonight

Or it could be about Snell and him still starting, since he's such a zero.

Kind of depressing how many rational culprits we can think of and it makes sense.

[R3AL1TY]

Something tells me Butler doesn't like Niko and Pau on the court because I see him gripe the most with them during games. He probably thinks Fred is not being hard on their flaws.

So far, we have theories on Butler not being pleased with different factors of each players play and the coach. Right or wrong, Butler is not at the level to really be able to do this. He's not quite Kendrick Lamar on "Control."

Agreed. It is not a good look for him to do this. He needs to simmer down to being Fabolous and just "Breathe".

[DarthDiggler69]

About Butler possibly mad that Pau sitting out, Seriously when you are in the trenches and your fellow soldier gets to go home and rest for a day because hes tired while you are fighting in the trenches, you wont like that

[Red Larrivee]

Sadly, doesn't look like Fred is at the level to do it either. Almost 1/3 into the season and no change from guys like Niko, Snell, of course Rose. Offense is no better than the first week, buy in is no better, consistency is no better.

You expect that though. Fred's style isn't visibly beating down players. At the same time, he's not a pushover either. Hoiberg has made adjustments and the staff, as pointed out, hasn't been coddling the rookie players either. Mirotic's role has decreased, he's pulled McDermott when he hasn't shown up and it's obvious he knows the deal with Snell, but he's forced to play him with no available alternative. The offense is a big concern. The 2nd unit has been running the princples of Hoiball better while the 1st unit tends to be a bit slower.

In theory, Gasol is the only player who would make sense as someone who could call out players for not playing championship style basketball. However, Gasol is 35 and it would be like bowing down to Rip Hamilton when he was a Bull. So really, nobody should be making the type of comments Butler feels he's entitled to all of a sudden.

[R3AL1TY]

We're probably making a sum of all what Jimmy thinks. Everything sounds plausible, but it is still not a good look on his part on griping to the media about it. And players that begin to do this tend to make it a habit when the loss column adds up.

[Rerisen]

The tweet about Gasol indicated he would liked to have played and it was a staff or FO decision for him to rest.

Jimmy yells at Gasol for defense but they seem to have a good teammate relationship, sort of like how Kobe pushed him. Don't think he's blasting Gasol.

[TheStig]

I think Fred was hired because they view him as a coach who can adapt in any type of weather and is the opposite of Thibodeau, in that he's willing to be apart of the organization instead of flipping it upside down. Not a yes man, as much as a great "teammate."

I think Hoiberg was hired because Paxson really likes him as a person.

Hoiberg was also a good player/teammate(i respected him alot as a Bulls player back then), a good executive and a good and innovative college coach who won with less. I still like the move, it gives the Bulls a up to date system they can implement in the D-league rather than the micromanaging system Thibs had that every team knew and could not be implemented in the D-League without Thibs yelling at them too. Bulls are a streamlined organization again from management to coaching, thats the way it should be

What system is that? They look nearly identical to last years team.......

[DarthDiggler69]

We're probably making a sum of all what Jimmy thinks. Everything sounds plausible.

Jimmy got torched several times tonight so i do understand him being pissed, but just needs to keep it among the team and not the media in New York City

[Rerisen]

All we have is Jimmy's words, safest thing is take him at them. And his words talk about the coach.

He could have easily as said, "We aren't playing hard enough, including me." And put it on players.

In fact earlier in the year he was doing that. Saying that a coach can only do so much, the players have to get it done. So now to make it specifically about the coach, good chance its something about the coach.

[DarthDiggler69]

I think Hoiberg was hired because Paxson really likes him as a person.

Hoiberg was also a good player/teammate(i respected him alot as a Bulls player back then), a good executive and a good and innovative college coach who won with less. I still like the move, it gives the Bulls a up to date system they can implement in the D-league rather than the micromanaging system Thibs had that every team knew and could not be implemented in the D-League without Thibs yelling at them too. Bulls are a streamlined organization again from management to coaching, thats the way it should be

What system is that? They look nearly identical to last years team.......

What the starters run many times is identical to last year, the bench runs more Hoiball style sets. But the system im talking about is Fred's playbook that is only partly implemented, plus Boylen's defensive system which the Bulls are using from the Spurs. That together is their system