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[DetroitPistons]

Can someone explain this cap situation? I thought not signing Dre to a contract this offseason automatically opened up 13mil in cap space just from that decision. If we renounce Ily that gives us another 8mil. Tolliver is another an expiring so that is another 3mil and Blake is another 2mil roughly. Is it possible to offer a max contract and then go over the cap to resign Jennings and Drummond?

[coordinator0]

Can someone explain this cap situation? I thought not signing Dre to a contract this offseason automatically opened up 13mil in cap space just from that decision. If we renounce Ily that gives us another 8mil. Tolliver is another an expiring so that is another 3mil and Blake is another 2mil roughly. Is it possible to offer a max contract and then go over the cap to resign Jennings and Drummond?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/detroit-pistons-team-salary/

According to Eric Pincus, who is probably the best NBA salary cap guy out there, the Pistons will have $48,277,414 in guaranteed money for 2016-17. That's not including the cap holds for Drummond, Jennings, Tolliver, and Blake but those are fairly easily to plan around thanks to the moratorium period. Since teams don't have to be under the cap until after that week ends (because it isn't set yet) the deals that most of the big free agents agree to during that time automatically make up a lot of the decisions to renounce or keep rights for players.

It also isn't including the unguaranteed contracts of Ilyasova, Anthony, Dinwiddie, and Hilliard but Ersan's is the only one with a guaranteed date of 7-1 so that decision will have to be made before free agency. So the Pistons should be thinking along the lines of having $48,277,414 to $56,677,414 tied up, but keeping Ilyasova still leaves them with around $30 million (based on $89 million salary cap projections) to work with before being able to go over the cap by re-signing their own guys. It just depends on how far Gores is willing to go into the luxury tax.

[DetroitPistons]

Can someone explain this cap situation? I thought not signing Dre to a contract this offseason automatically opened up 13mil in cap space just from that decision. If we renounce Ily that gives us another 8mil. Tolliver is another an expiring so that is another 3mil and Blake is another 2mil roughly. Is it possible to offer a max contract and then go over the cap to resign Jennings and Drummond?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/detroit-pistons-team-salary/

According to Eric Pincus, who is probably the best NBA salary cap guy out there, the Pistons will have $48,277,414 in guaranteed money for 2016-17. That's not including the cap holds for Drummond, Jennings, Tolliver, and Blake but those are fairly easily to plan around thanks to the moratorium period. Since teams don't have to be under the cap until after that week ends (because it isn't set yet) the deals that most of the big free agents agree to during that time automatically make up a lot of the decisions to renounce or keep rights for players.

It also isn't including the unguaranteed contracts of Ilyasova, Anthony, Dinwiddie, and Hilliard but Ersan's is the only one with a guaranteed date of 7-1 so that decision will have to be made before free agency. So the Pistons should be thinking along the lines of having $48,277,414 to $56,677,414 tied up, but keeping Ilyasova still leaves them with around $30 million (based on $89 million salary cap projections) to work with before being able to go over the cap by re-signing their own guys. It just depends on how far Gores is willing to go into the luxury tax.

30mil!? So what is this talk about having to renounce Jennings and Ily in order to offer a max to Horford? Unless I'm still missing something it sounds like we can go over the cap to resign everyone. Or are you saying that most of that 30mil will be eaten up by the cap holds?

[Pugz]

if he wants to build a winner we have to go all out and try to bring in another impact player to pair with drummond and reggie. we dont necessarily need a "stretch" four if we can sign a guy who has range it'll work.

[Todd3]

Ryan Anderson is overrated. He is the same caliber stretch 4 as Ersan in my opinion. Remember he wasn't on that Finals team with Stan. He was on their lesser teams after that because he isn't a championship starter. He's a guy you get to get you to the next level, like Cliff Robinson, but we already got that player in Ersan. If we are going to change that position it needs to be a clear upgrade otherwise better off picking up Ersan's 8m option for 1 more year. Horford would be that upgrade.

What is the rules on team options? Could we decline his option for capspace to sign Horford and then go over the cap to resign Ersan to a new deal, being one of our own players? I know LeBron does that every year with player options, but do team options work the same?

He would be a great backup/rotation guy to have around if we could circumvent the cap and have both he and Horford. Rather than have to let a quality asset walk just for capspace.

He a more dynamic scorer then Ersan.

I'm not sure about that. I think Ersan can do just about everything Anderson can, but just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it as much. Anderson is a good player, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure there's a big enough difference there to warrant giving him a big longterm deal when we could just go with Ersan on a cheaper/shorter deal. That's all I meant.

[Todd3]

Ryan Anderson is overrated. He is the same caliber stretch 4 as Ersan in my opinion. Remember he wasn't on that Finals team with Stan. He was on their lesser teams after that because he isn't a championship starter. He's a guy you get to get you to the next level, like Cliff Robinson, but we already got that player in Ersan. If we are going to change that position it needs to be a clear upgrade otherwise better off picking up Ersan's 8m option for 1 more year. Horford would be that upgrade.

What is the rules on team options? Could we decline his option for capspace to sign Horford and then go over the cap to resign Ersan to a new deal, being one of our own players? I know LeBron does that every year with player options, but do team options work the same?

He would be a great backup/rotation guy to have around if we could circumvent the cap and have both he and Horford. Rather than have to let a quality asset walk just for capspace.

No we turn down team option on Ersan he becomes a UFA, but we'd still have a cap hold I believe of around $10M, so we'd have to renounce that in order to free up the money needed to sign Al. And renouncing his right means we lose his Bird Right and can't go over the cap to re-sign him.

damn, would be nice to have both but if we can get Horford you do what it takes. Still a chance we could clear money other ways like in a Meeks deal. He will be a cheap exp contract by summer and some contenders would probably take him off their bench if its for nothing but capspace. Once the cap goes up, you won't get a Meeks caliber scorer for only 6m in FA. He will become a bargain deal trade asset this summer.

[MotownMadness]

Ryan Anderson is overrated. He is the same caliber stretch 4 as Ersan in my opinion. Remember he wasn't on that Finals team with Stan. He was on their lesser teams after that because he isn't a championship starter. He's a guy you get to get you to the next level, like Cliff Robinson, but we already got that player in Ersan. If we are going to change that position it needs to be a clear upgrade otherwise better off picking up Ersan's 8m option for 1 more year. Horford would be that upgrade.

What is the rules on team options? Could we decline his option for capspace to sign Horford and then go over the cap to resign Ersan to a new deal, being one of our own players? I know LeBron does that every year with player options, but do team options work the same?

He would be a great backup/rotation guy to have around if we could circumvent the cap and have both he and Horford. Rather than have to let a quality asset walk just for capspace.

He a more dynamic scorer then Ersan.

I'm not sure about that. I think Ersan can do just about everything Anderson can, but just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it as much. Anderson is a good player, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure there's a big enough difference there to warrant giving him a big longterm deal when we could just go with Ersan on a cheaper/shorter deal. That's all I meant.

Agreed, If he wants some crazy deal then I would probably just rather pick up Ersans option.

[Kilo]

If Meeks has a good ROS, he could have trade value, and we could use Hilliard/Bullock to back up KCP (with Jackson sliding over for primary back-up minutes here) and have enough money to keep Jennings. Also ATL is San Antonio East, maybe they'd take Baynes back to plug in as they'd be down a big if Horford did agree to sign here. More money freed up.

Horford here makes us legit contenders.

[coordinator0]

30mil!? So what is this talk about having to renounce Jennings and Ily in order to offer a max to Horford? Unless I'm still missing something it sounds like we can go over the cap to resign everyone. Or are you saying that most of that 30mil will be eaten up by the cap holds?

Yeah the cap holds would eat into the space, but if it comes to renouncing them then the Pistons would definitely be getting a guy on a big contract. Like I said before decisions to renounce players don't have to come until free agency officially begins which is after the moratorium. During the week of the moratorium all of the big free agents usually agree to deals though so a team like Detroit could wait and see what to do with a guy like Jennings. What I'm getting at is Detroit won't be blindly getting rid of guys and then hoping someone signs.

For what it's worth I would be shocked if the team didn't guarantee Ilyasova's contract at $8.4 million. With the way free agency is heading that's a really good value and they won't need to get rid of him to offer someone else a big contract.

[Todd3]

What is Jennings caphold?

[DetroitPistons]

30mil!? So what is this talk about having to renounce Jennings and Ily in order to offer a max to Horford? Unless I'm still missing something it sounds like we can go over the cap to resign everyone. Or are you saying that most of that 30mil will be eaten up by the cap holds?

Yeah the cap holds would eat into the space, but if it comes to renouncing them then the Pistons would definitely be getting a guy on a big contract. Like I said before decisions to renounce players don't have to come until free agency officially begins which is after the moratorium. During the week of the moratorium all of the big free agents usually agree to deals though so a team like Detroit could wait and see what to do with a guy like Jennings. What I'm getting at is Detroit won't be blindly getting rid of guys and then hoping someone signs.

For what it's worth I would be shocked if the team didn't guarantee Ilyasova's contract at $8.4 million. With the way free agency is heading that's a really good value and they won't need to get rid of him to offer someone else a big contract.

Understood! Thanks for the clarification!

[Pharaoh]

Can someone explain this cap situation? I thought not signing Dre to a contract this offseason automatically opened up 13mil in cap space just from that decision. If we renounce Ily that gives us another 8mil. Tolliver is another an expiring so that is another 3mil and Blake is another 2mil roughly. Is it possible to offer a max contract and then go over the cap to resign Jennings and Drummond?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/detroit-pistons-team-salary/

According to Eric Pincus, who is probably the best NBA salary cap guy out there, the Pistons will have $48,277,414 in guaranteed money for 2016-17. That's not including the cap holds for Drummond, Jennings, Tolliver, and Blake but those are fairly easily to plan around thanks to the moratorium period. Since teams don't have to be under the cap until after that week ends (because it isn't set yet) the deals that most of the big free agents agree to during that time automatically make up a lot of the decisions to renounce or keep rights for players.

It also isn't including the unguaranteed contracts of Ilyasova, Anthony, Dinwiddie, and Hilliard but Ersan's is the only one with a guaranteed date of 7-1 so that decision will have to be made before free agency. So the Pistons should be thinking along the lines of having $48,277,414 to $56,677,414 tied up, but keeping Ilyasova still leaves them with around $30 million (based on $89 million salary cap projections) to work with before being able to go over the cap by re-signing their own guys. It just depends on how far Gores is willing to go into the luxury tax.

I dont expect Blake back but we'd be nuts to dump Illy at his price.

The likes of Anthony Dinwiddie & Hilliard are gonna have to wait while we pursue bigger fish - we'll retain their rights IMO unless we absolutely have to ditch them to afford something special.

That leaves Jennings & Dre as the only other dudes hanging on the vine and we all know Dre will be back on a max deal...Jennings is the tricky one, unless he re-signs for less than his cap hold quickly I could see us renouncing him

[El Chivo]

Horford doesn't fit

[DetroitSho]

Horford doesn't fit

Please explain. And please don't go to the cliche "he doesn't shoot 3's" line people wear out around here.

[Kilo]

Horford doesn't fit

Please explain. And please don't go to the cliche "he doesn't shoot 3's" line people wear out around here.

He actually does shoot three's - he worked on adding it in the off-season and he shoots about 3 a game, hitting only 33% clip as of today mind you. But give it ROS and another off-season and he could be a passable PF three point shooter for sure.

No doubt he did this with an eye on free agency - I think he's really set on landing in a spot where he's the PF. Take him away from banging on the low post could be worth another big contract after this next one. I could see him signing a 3 yr with a PO 4th season, to try and get out for another big contract at 33 yo.

With Dre and Baynes here there is no chance we'd ask him to play really any minutes at Ce unless in an emergency. Orlando still seems like an ideal fit for him though - bastards.

[Kilo]

What is Jennings caphold?

I believe 150% of previous salary given we have full Bird rights, not coming off rookie contract - http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/5/23/5732226/2014-nba-free-agency-atlanta-hawks-salary-cap

So Jennings cap hold would be $12M against our cap until re-signed or renounced.

[Todd3]

What is Jennings caphold?

I believe 150% of previous salary given we have full Bird rights, not coming off rookie contract - http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/5/23/5732226/2014-nba-free-agency-atlanta-hawks-salary-cap

So Jennings cap hold would be $12M against our cap until re-signed or renounced.

That is more than I thought, but even with that we would still have ~18m to offer Horford a max deal.

I agree too about his 3s, so I don't know what other reason there is to think he doesn't fit, since he can do just about everything else. Some think he is a C, but he is really a PF who has just been playing the wrong position his whole career in my opinion. He would fit perfect next to Dre.

[Cowology]

What is Jennings caphold?

I believe 150% of previous salary given we have full Bird rights, not coming off rookie contract - http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/5/23/5732226/2014-nba-free-agency-atlanta-hawks-salary-cap

So Jennings cap hold would be $12M against our cap until re-signed or renounced.

Correct. It's a little over $12.5 mil.

As for Horford, he doesn't even need to shoot 3's. All you really need for spacing is somebody who can score from 15-18 feet which he can. If you have a backup PF who can stretch out to 3 (such as Mook or Illy) you are in great shape. Horford also gives you the flexibility to slide to the 5 meaning quality is play from that position for 48 minutes.

If you start Reggie/KCP/Stanley/Horford/Dre then a bench of Jennings/Mook you curve out perfectly. Add in Meeks, Illy, Baynes, Tolliver or some equivalent talent and your top 9 is damn good with plenty of flexibility.

[Canadafan]

Drummond totally hooked us up. After keeping Ilyasova and with Jennings caphold, we're left with $18mil to sign Horford. Then we use bird rights on Jennings and resign Drummond.
If we do any trade this year, it won't be with our expirings in my opinion. Spencer, Meeks, and Baynes are the 3 that could get moved.

[MotownMadness]

Don't be shocked to see Jennings traded as well if he plays good. We might not want to pay him a big deal, Max Dre, Max another player, pick up Illys option and then you got guys like KCP who will need resigned the following season as well. I'm not so sure we can afford to pay Jennings this off season if he plays well.