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[HartfordWhalers]

Philly isn't selling low on Noel

It's not like Noel is performing any worse than previously. He's sucked pretty bad his whole career and if he's shown any development I haven't noticed it.

I'm not opposed to trading CJ McCollum but I would want a player in return that actually has some skill, potential or fills a need. Noel might have some potential left but strikes out on the other two criteria. Nerlens Noel is basically a young Ed Davis.

I really don;t know how you can reconcile that with the season Noel had as a rookie, particularly the second half of it.

But at this point I'm convinced that discussing Noel rationally on this board is impossible, and instead it will be nothing but absurd hyperbole.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Philly isn't selling low on Noel

It's not like Noel is performing any worse than previously. He's sucked pretty bad his whole career and if he's shown any development I haven't noticed it.

I'm not opposed to trading CJ McCollum but I would want a player in return that actually has some skill, potential or fills a need. Noel might have some potential left but strikes out on the other two criteria. Nerlens Noel is basically a young Ed Davis.

I really don;t know how you can reconcile that with the season Noel had as a rookie, particularly the second half of it.

But at this point I'm convinced that discussing Noel rationally on this board is impossible, and instead it will be nothing but absurd hyperbole.

Personally, he's the Sixers big man that I want to get the most on this Blazer team.

[Downtown]

I think you have to take the pick out of any deal. I would trade McCollum and Leonard for Noel. Whether or not Noel turns into a high end player I value defensive qualities and to that end I can see him down the road being able to compete with any team's big men in that regard.

But for sure if Portland trades McCollum now they don't win many games this season because he's such a scoring threat and without him teams put all their pressure on Lillard and let the others shots beat them.

[Blazinaway]

I think you have to take the pick out of any deal. I would trade McCollum and Leonard for Noel. Whether or not Noel turns into a high end player I value defensive qualities and to that end I can see him down the road being able to compete with any team's big men in that regard.

But for sure if Portland trades McCollum now they don't win many games this season because he's such a scoring threat and without him teams put all their pressure on Lillard and let the others shots beat them.

that actually works well for this yr as CJ for Noel would likely result in less wins and a better pick, I am not saying I would do the trade but if I did I'd prefer to do it sooner rather than later

[Patsfan1081]

Noel>McCollum.

That being said, he's a poor fit in Portland, so they would turn this down.

There are better teams to deal with if you want to flip Noel. I do think Portland is ideal if you want to flip Okafor.

I'm not sure I would agree with it, call it injuries or playing out of position but Noel is struggling. McCollum is a twenty point efficient scorer in the league now

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

Not a fan of ts%, it doesn't distinguish between three and two pointers. McCollum takes six threes a game so it's obvious that ts% isn't going to favor him.

[Patsfan1081]

Philly isn't selling low on Noel

It's not like Noel is performing any worse than previously. He's sucked pretty bad his whole career and if he's shown any development I haven't noticed it.

I'm not opposed to trading CJ McCollum but I would want a player in return that actually has some skill, potential or fills a need. Noel might have some potential left but strikes out on the other two criteria. Nerlens Noel is basically a young Ed Davis.

I really don;t know how you can reconcile that with the season Noel had as a rookie, particularly the second half of it.

But at this point I'm convinced that discussing Noel rationally on this board is impossible, and instead it will be nothing but absurd hyperbole.

Noel had one of the best defensive seasons as a rookie, both him and Smart received defensive team votes. It seems that fans seem to be really biased for their own players, I kind of think they have similar value.

[hcsilla]

I'm not sure I would agree with it, call it injuries or playing out of position but Noel is struggling. McCollum is a twenty point efficient scorer in the league now

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

Not a fan of ts%, it doesn't distinguish between three and two pointers. McCollum takes six threes a game so it's obvious that ts% isn't going to favor him.

Completely wrong, ts% does distinguish between three and two pointers, that's exactly the point (besides doing the same between FG's and Ft's) of implementing ts%.

[HartfordWhalers]

McCollum's TS% is 53 which is exactly the league average so I wouldn't call him efficient.

I think that Noel's value is still higher but swapping the picks and addig Leonard is too much for the Blazers. BTW, I doubt that Leonard is a good fit to Okafor due both defensive shortcomings, whereas the future Vonleh-Noah frontcourt with Plumlee backing up both seems both interesting and promising.

Noel for McCollum, 2016 lottery protected 1st seems a more simple and balanced trade.

Not a fan of ts%, it doesn't distinguish between three and two pointers. McCollum takes six threes a game so it's obvious that ts% isn't going to favor him.

Completely wrong, ts% does distinguish between three and two pointers, that's exactly the point (besides doing the same between FG's and Ft's) of implementing ts%.

Yeah a lot of this. The formula for TS% is supposed to be a basic version of points per possession.

The actual formula is points / 2*(fga +.44fta)

In terms of a 2 pointer versus a 3 pointer, making 50% of 2 pointers is the same as making 33% of 3 pta attempts, points are the numerator so it makes a big difference. It is similar to efg% that way. Where it differs from efg% is that it tries to capture the efficiency of a guy getting free throw attempts. Doing this with a general standard formula which needs to capture an average free throw versus looking at individual possessions for a guy runs the unfortunate cost that a guy that shoots the technical free throws for a team will get his numbers boosted, as it is not free throws drawn by the guy. Another problem is turnovers -- some players will have a bunch of turnovers and yet TS% is not effected at all because they simply lost the ball before shooting.

But TS% is still the best 'simple' stat for scoring efficiency as it does get 2's versus 3's (fg% doesn't) and free throws (efg% doesn't), and points per possession aggregated data is less fully available per synnergy etc.