Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[High level]

LMAO

Lets trade your best player because he spoke his mind...

Not because he isn't producing on the court as a top player..but because he said something that many people and FANS agree with, but it just isn't "Kosher" to say to the media.

its political nonsense.

Tell me, who says its not ok to do this? Players? Coaches? Or the Media? If its the media, then they are the ones brain washing people to somehow think its wrong and not permitted.

I say its complete BS if you think Vinny is an idiot. The media crack jokes at Vince making bad decisions, but will jump on Chris Paul for saying exactly the same thing to that same media.

Yeah As a professional you just can't say anything you want. Look at Paul George. Marshawn Lynch. Donald Sterling. Don Imus. You just can't say anything you want when you are a professional. Now Butler didn't make any extreme remarks where it will lead to him getting fined or fired but he should be careful and learn how to express his feelings to the media better.

[Ice Man]

The difference in his PER, points per minute and TS% is mostly just his free throws. People bit on his pump fake, drive and flail routine a lot. Now, they figured his gimmick out. He isn't a good shooter and now that teams figured out he isn't the stretch 4 they thought he was at first, the rest is being exposed.

Also, after hearing for a year from the other Bulls and the commentators and the fans to quit pump faking and just shoot when open, that is now what he is doing. And it's making him a worse player. Although Niko has this reputation of being a guy who is off on his own world, doing his own thing, I think it is the opposite ... he has listened too much to others and has gotten away from what he does best.

[NecessaryEvil]

Jimmy Butler has been open all summer long about his desire to be more of a leader for the Chicago Bulls. It goes deeper than that, though. Butler wants to be the face of this group. He wants to be the star. When people talk about the Bulls, Butler wants to be the one they think of first. After trying to find his role over his first two years in the league, Butler's metamorphosis from defensive stopper to All-Star has been well documented.

But what has become increasingly clear to many within the organization and those close to Butler is how the 26-year-old's personality has changed.

The assessment was stunning for several reasons. First and foremost, it's not every day that an NBA player calls out his head coach so publicly.

Twenty-five games into Hoiberg's tenure, he has to face the reality that his best player just called him out on a public stage.

It's possible that Butler might face some disciplinary action for calling out his coach in the media. But it's also possible that Butler was speaking not just for himself, but for other teammates who also feel that Hoiberg's style isn't working for them. Either way, the foundation for Butler's future as the face and voice of the Bulls will either be cemented or crushed by his comments on Saturday. They might serve as a turning point for a player who desperately wants to be seen as the focal point of the organization -- a final vocal push to get out from underneath Derrick Rose's long shadow.

Or, Butler's comments may become the beginning of the end for a talented player who bit off more than he can chew within the organization

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago-bulls/post/_/id/22675/jimmy-butler-sets-tone-for-uncertain-future-with-fred-hoiberg-teammates

[umfan83]

Jimmy demanded to lead this team, basically alpha'd our true leader Noah. And this is, so far, what a Jimmy led team looks like. I'm sure he had the best intentions for the team by calling out Noah and now Hoiberg. I'm sure he wants to motivate the team and coaches to be better. But this was a clear miscalculation on his part and as such completely loses my respect for him as a leader. I wouldn't be surprised to learn his team feels the same way.

[Red Larrivee]

The difference in his PER, points per minute and TS% is mostly just his free throws. People bit on his pump fake, drive and flail routine a lot. Now, they figured his gimmick out. He isn't a good shooter and now that teams figured out he isn't the stretch 4 they thought he was at first, the rest is being exposed.

The main difference is his shooting. Mirotic shot the ball better to start last season. He was shooting over 40% from three, while getting to the free throw line at a good clip. The Mirotic we're looking at is not the one who started last season. It's the one who trailed off in January and February.

I just don't see how we can pretend that this Mirotic is always been the trend. It hasn't.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/678609655787077633[/tweet]

that's why derrick is true leader. hope we can fetch cousins and mclemore and gay for jimmy, kings pick, taj, snell, our 2x future first round picks

LOL. You're right. True leaders speak softly and carry a big brother.

leaders respect coach authority and follow his vision no matter what. jimmy decided not to, and he decided that only after 20 games. even noah agree with rose. so 2 of 3 team leaders.

This is the NBA, where players make more than their authority figures (coaches) and coaches make more than GMs. Authority is what you make it. Derrick's picked his spots to undermine the front office in the past. Say what you want about Jimmy, at least he stood in front of a mic and gave his opinions himself instead using proxies to do his work.

[MC3]

Jimmy is searching from this organization which he probably will never get. And he will never get cause he is not that good. I think only if you are the best in the world or basically GOAT you have that privilage to call out team, coach, FO and do whatever hell you want to do and speak. It really maybe is in Bulls interest to either trade Rose, Noah and rest of guys and give Butler keys to to exactly that (cause that's exactly seems this is) or trade him and get another great player in return. I mean how long can you go if Butler is not speaking for teammates like article suggest. How long can you go and call out teammates, coach not once but many times in just 25 games. I mean there is certain point where you can no longer act like that and throw any kind of authority under the bus just cause you dont love "plays".

[DarthDiggler69]

Ok so with the new info revealed by KC, I think as the Bulls keep trying to run Hoiball, but as they do that Butler gets upset that his plays aren't being called. So thus a Fred needs to work harder to get the guys to get his iso plays.

Now Rose play prior to last week is kinda making sense, he might have been silently protesting Butler and enhancing Jimmy looking like a ballhog. He might have did that in the playoffs also. Therefore the rift could be true. All my opinion of course

[transplant]

Jimmy, you've made me sad.

I admire the hell out of Butler...kid has worked his ass off, establishing himself as a NBA star. It seems that he's made all the right moves...until now. The most positive spin I can put on this is that Butler sincerely wants to help the team and is merely trying to force Hoiberg's hand. That just makes Butler naïve/stupid rather than the less attractive assessments.

[AirP.]

The difference in his PER, points per minute and TS% is mostly just his free throws. People bit on his pump fake, drive and flail routine a lot. Now, they figured his gimmick out. He isn't a good shooter and now that teams figured out he isn't the stretch 4 they thought he was at first, the rest is being exposed.

The main difference is his shooting. Mirotic shot the ball better to start last season. He was shooting over 40% from three, while getting to the free throw line at a good clip. The Mirotic we're looking at is not the one who started last season. It's the one who trailed off in January and February.

I just don't see how we can pretend that this Mirotic is always been the trend. It hasn't.

If you look a little closer to Mirotic and what was going on when he was struggling it was during the time of learning a new role. The move from just PF to PF/SF he struggled, this new system he's struggling with. I see a player who's unsure of what he's suppose to do on the court(X&O wise) which ends up making him overthink and with that his individual performance drops.

[Dajody10]

Ok so with the new info revealed by KC, I think as the Bulls keep trying to run Hoiball, Butler continues to get upset that his plays aren't being called. So thus a Fred needs to work harder to get the guys to get his iso plays

Jimmy Butler is not good enough to demand iso plays called for him - I mean good god who do these guys think they are!?

[DarthDiggler69]

You guys think Rose silently protested about Butler that Rose did his non-aggressive act in protest? Thats what might happened in the playoffs game 6 also. That would make the Rose-Butler feud true

[DASMACKDOWN]

Why do people keep throwing out that Jimmy is not that good? Not as good as what exactly?

If so what is good enough to voice their opinion?

If there is a "Good Enough" point, then the whole argument makes no sense.

You either CAN call out your coach or you CANT. Which one is it?

[Payt10]

What else does this team have to do before the front office gets off their asses and makes a trade?

[DRoseCantStop]

[quote="MC3]It really maybe is in Bulls interest to either trade Rose, Noah and rest of guys and give Butler keys to to exactly that (cause that's exactly seems this is) or trade him and get another great player in return.[/quote]
Yessir

[DarthDiggler69]

What else does this team have to do before the front office gets off their asses and makes a trade?

Get to .500 or under, that would trigger a trade to get better or a rebuild-retool. I think its a good time to do it, Bulls wont beat Cavs, Spurs or Warriors if they see them in the playoffs anyway.

[NecessaryEvil]

Why do people keep throwing out that Jimmy is not that good? Not as good as what exactly?

If so what is good enough to voice their opinion?

If there is a "Good Enough" point, then the whole argument makes no sense.

You either CAN call out your coach or you CANT. Which one is it?

regardless of if he's good or not, calling out a rookie headcoach after 25 games is foul as ****.

Jimmy is the man, just wish he wouldn't have. Chicago is slowly becoming LA when it comes to media and drama

[DarthDiggler69]

And hes asking a coach with a previous heart problem to ride, yell and scold them. Let Hoiberg be Hoiberg and see if it works, Butler needs to give it a real chance before deciding its all about himself

[DASMACKDOWN]

Why do people keep throwing out that Jimmy is not that good? Not as good as what exactly?

If so what is good enough to voice their opinion?

If there is a "Good Enough" point, then the whole argument makes no sense.

You either CAN call out your coach or you CANT. Which one is it?

regardless of if he's good or not, calling out a rookie headcoach after 25 games is foul as ****.

Jimmy is the man, just wish he wouldn't have. Chicago is slowly becoming LA when it comes to media and drama

This sounds perfectly reasonable. Thank you.

To just say he isn't good enough sounds agenda based like a Team Whomever thing to say.

Its not cool to call out your coach is what people should say. To say he isn't good enough implies that at some point it is ok.

Its just me but I hate when a fanbase has to make everything about im pro this guy and purposely negative against another.

[WIN]

[quote="MC3]It really maybe is in Bulls interest to either trade Rose, Noah and rest of guys and give Butler keys to to exactly that (cause that's exactly seems this is) or trade him and get another great player in return.[/quote]
Yessir[/quote]

I can't even get mad anymore at these ridiculous statements. The same buffoons who wanted to hire an unproven rookie HC are now asking for a trade of the best player we have bc he seems to give a $***.

Buffoons that's what u guys are.