Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[Indomitable]

I want this guy gone. I don't really like or respect him. Lots of players have played well for a year or two. Jimmy thinks his **** doesn't stink. I just don't really enjoy his role on this team. He really hasn't accomplished that much. Dude is nut hugging a 20 year older movie star. Wtf? Remember his lame ass **** with the stuffed animal? He's not cool but he's dumb enough to think he's as cool as they come.

He's at an absolute all time high trade value. Playing great and locked up for 5 years.

Joakim noah is and should be the vocal leader of this team. Even if he plays 20 mpg for the next few years.

I'm not a huge fan of hoiberg though I'm not going to go against him yet.

No doubt about it, what jimmy did is just stupid. It's low IQ stuff. Doesn't he realize that he's now put fred in a position of losing the rest of the team by following jimmys public suggestions, or lose jimmy by ignoring him?

This bs isn't going to galvanize the team. Also, the team isn't playing with poor effort. #2 defenses don't do that. Yes rose and pau do things we don't like but they're playing to win.

I'll 2nd that thought. For the first time in my life I am suddenly soured on even watching the Bulls, and Jimmy Butler is the reason why. The guy who appears to be listening to the coach the least shouldn't be the one calling him out for not making the team listen to him. One freaking big season and he has made a complete turnaround in his attitude.

I'm not usually a fan of blockbuster trades. In this case, it is time to make one that includes Butler, a big, Snell, and picks for the two best talents you can get who play the 1 through 3.

He is acting like he tricking Lebron. Dude stop getting destroyed Melo lite you up.Brandon knightkilled you. Paul George destroyed you. He has failed as much as anyone.

[RedBulls23]

I don't know how anyone could support Jimmy Butler in these comments. If he is trying to be the vocal leader here with those comments, he's failing.

Exactly!

Jimmy is the golden Boy now, so he's reached pre acl Rose level where no one criticizes him.

I love Jimmy and respect how hard he's worked to improve. With that said Jimmy has been talking about being a leader all season, but I don't see anyone following him. Good leaders inspire people, not throw them under the bus. Noah inspired his teammates to play harder when he was an allstar. I question if anyone in that locker room sees Jimmy as the voice to follow.

[TheStig]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

If all those guys become allstars and team leaders. Sure, feel free to call out Hoiberg.

Sorry but it's never right to call them out to the media, and being only an all star without rings or even an MVP at the least means jack. He needs to play within the team and Hoiberg needs to get these guys playing his sets

It sounds like this has been boiling over for a bit. Maybe he's already had discussions with Fred and management and nothing has changed. It's ok for Butler to do it then. I'm sure assurances and promises were made when he was resigned.

[JeremyB0001]

Obviously, I disagree. Mirotic was one hot month last year. Some people took his hot month as evidence that he was being misused. I just thought it was a statistical aberration. His other months look a lot like this year.

That's just patently and demonstrably false. One good month out of seven wouldn't pump up a player's numbers to those levels. Mirotic's TS% by month was .584, .610, .494, .455, .578, .527. He had outstanding shooting efficiency in three of his seven months. It's funny that you say posters opinions are motivated by being fans of a player and then use factual misstatements to criticize a player who you're more or less openly biased against.

[Stratmaster]

I trade either one for the right player, not Cousins though.

His attitude is plenty bad itself, and this team has nowhere near the cohesion, or coach I might add, to control or fix him.

Agreed. But I want to trade them together so they are stuck with each other. Serve them both right.

Of course we both know that is pie in the sky as a solution though. So when are we going to actually start looking up the chain for why such things are occurring in the first place?

I don't think they are occurring because Jimmy Butler after 5 years of busting his a***, was this hidden cancer that suddenly starts to show. This team has issues.

Any team that got a coach fired for 'quitting on him' should have been shaken up itself, not appeased by bringing them all back and reinforcing their bad habits, which is what looks like has happened.

Jimmy Butler's public personality has changed dramatically in the last 12 months. It has nothing to do with 5 years of busting his ass. He has "arrived". TV shows about his aquarium, front page of the sports mags etc. Oddly, he isn't as good as most players who get this attention, and it has gone to his head.

We've been through the personnel discussions and "who would you have traded for via what assets" discussions in many threads. I agree that the Bulls should have traded for a 3 in the offseason. Unless you can say specifically who they would have traded and who they would have gotten THAT is the "pie in the sky". I can't.

[Sonny_D1]

I trade either one for the right player, not Cousins though.

His attitude is plenty bad itself, and this team has nowhere near the cohesion, or coach I might add, to control or fix him.

Agreed. But I want to trade them together so they are stuck with each other. Serve them both right.

Of course we both know that is pie in the sky as a solution though. So when are we going to actually start looking up the chain for why such things are occurring in the first place?

I don't think they are occurring because Jimmy Butler after 5 years of busting his a***, was this hidden cancer that suddenly starts to show. This team has issues.

Any team that got a coach fired for 'quitting on him' should have been shaken up itself, not appeased by bringing them all back and reinforcing their bad habits, which is what looks like has happened.

Yup. And we all know the main objective is to continue to put out a hard working, semi competitive team so the corporate sales continue to help sell the stadium out.

GarPax continue to do a fine job of that.

[Stratmaster]

If all those guys become allstars and team leaders. Sure, feel free to call out Hoiberg.

Sorry but it's never right to call them out to the media, and being only an all star without rings or even an MVP at the least means jack. He needs to play within the team and Hoiberg needs to get these guys playing his sets

It sounds like this has been boiling over for a bit. Maybe he's already had discussions with Fred and management and nothing has changed. It's ok for Butler to do it then. I'm sure assurances and promises were made when he was resigned.

No, it isn't OK for Butler to do it publicly, whether or not he has had the discussions internally. What assurances are you sure were made to him? that he gets to run the team?

[RebuildaBulls]

In my opinion it's still Rose's team, the rare times when Rose plays well the team and fans just seems more enthusiastic like the next coming of the Messiah is upon us. When Butler has a big game people love it yes but not as much as when Rose has a big game. When you go to the UC you recognize it even more.
Team only goes as far as Rose can take them.

[RedBulls23]

So if Hoiberg calls Jimmy out for his crappy defense the last 2 games and for his tendency to try and score off ISO plays way too much in general, Jimmy would be ok with this?

Why don't I believe that?

Butler is probably right in that Hoiberg needs to be tougher on the players, but calling him out through the media is not the best way to try and fix things

Fair enough. Jimmy can find a better way to address this. But isn't what he is saying and what it ultimately means more important than focusing on the inappropriate forum he chose to express what is going on?

The way you go about handling your business matters. Right now Jimmy isn't being part of the solution, he's being part of the problem and creating a bigger one.

[JeremyB0001]

What's funny is that the substance of Jimmy's comments seems pretty dead on. Many players, Jimmy being a big culprit, don't seem to do what they are asked by the coaching staff and the staff has done a bad job of nipping that in the bud and holding players accountable (which admittedly can't be easy). The problem is that, as Jimmy acknowledged, he's part of the problem. Also, it's obviously bad form to do this in public. Still, I'm not so alarmed. I can't see much harm coming out of it and maybe some good will result. Maybe it will shake things up. Maybe Hoiberg will start holding the players accountable.

[Dajody10]

If you people think these Butler comments are the problem, then you have no idea how to see the big picture. The Bulls, as an organization, are a total mess. This needs a full blowup from ownership on down.

[RebuildaBulls]

If you people think these Butler comments are the problem, then you have no idea how to see the big picture. The Bulls, as an organization, are a total mess. This needs a full blowup from ownership on down.

You can say that about any organization other than the Warriors and Spurs.

Butlers public comments are not the problem but just broadcasts another problem to the media who will run with anything for a long long time

[fleet]

So if Hoiberg calls Jimmy out for his crappy defense the last 2 games and for his tendency to try and score off ISO plays way too much in general, Jimmy would be ok with this?

Why don't I believe that?

Butler is probably right in that Hoiberg needs to be tougher on the players, but calling him out through the media is not the best way to try and fix things

Fair enough. Jimmy can find a better way to address this. But isn't what he is saying and what it ultimately means more important than focusing on the inappropriate forum he chose to express what is going on?

The way you go about handling your business matters. Right now Jimmy isn't being part of the solution, he's being part of the problem and creating a bigger one.

We shall see.

I'm one of those dreaded title or bust characters, and was under no illusion this team had the right stuff anyway, so I'll be eating the popcorn and hoping things get fixed.

[pb-ceo]

gasol is in his mid 30s and is going straight to hall of fame. no one has ever questioned his effort and passion and they won't start now.

Huh, Gasol's effort was questioned by Lakers fans every single season, and he was constantly brow beaten by Kobe to play harder, play tougher and more aggressive. When he finally did that, they won a title.

But I do not think Butler is talking about Gasol. He's played the same way his whole career and isn't going to change now. And is in decline anyway and couldn't do that much better no matter what his attitude is.

when he was a FA he was courted by the smartest teams in the league. SA wanted him badly. kobe gets on everybody. it's his nature. Pau is limited defensively. but he tries. and he has lost athleticism at 34. but is a future HofFamer. the real crime is when you are in your mid late 20s athletic and don't try.

[Rerisen]

Jimmy Butler's public personality has changed dramatically in the last 12 months. It has nothing to do with 5 years of busting his ass. He has "arrived". TV shows about his aquarium, front page of the sports mags etc. Oddly, he isn't as good as most players who get this attention, and it has gone to his head.

We've been through the personnel discussions and "who would you have traded for via what assets" discussions in many threads. I agree that the Bulls should have traded for a 3 in the offseason. Unless you can say specifically who they would have traded and who they would have gotten THAT is the "pie in the sky". I can't.

Well yeah, I don't want to go back through all that, there was a guy on the team we just played we probably could have got.

But the bigger thing I was trying to get across is everyone is going to focus on the micro issues, Jimmy's words, and not look at what kind of dysfunction must be going on at the team level in order for something like this to come up.

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[Dajody10]

If you people think these Butler comments are the problem, then you have no idea how to see the big picture. The Bulls, as an organization, are a total mess. This needs a full blowup from ownership on down.

You can say that about any organization other than the Warriors and Spurs.

Butlers public comments are not the problem but just broadcasts another problem to the media who will run with anything for a long long time

If that's what pushes them to change, then these comments were an absolute blessing.

[GetBuLLish]

Jokes are usually funny because people know they have a basis in truth. That one was 'funny' because everyone knew KeBo stunk. The joke would not have been funny if Jimmy was our SG.

You made it seem like Rose was being interviewed after a game and said the team needed a SG and that even Barack Obama would be better than Bogans.

Not one person ever took it as throwing Bogans under the boss. And it's extremely dishonest to say otherwise.

[RebuildaBulls]

I wouldn't doubt if Butler is paving his way to force a trade. Attacking a new coach backed by management and dividing the team is a very good start.

[RebuildaBulls]

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[BR0D1E86]

If all those guys become allstars and team leaders. Sure, feel free to call out Hoiberg.

Sorry but it's never right to call them out to the media, and being only an all star without rings or even an MVP at the least means jack. He needs to play within the team and Hoiberg needs to get these guys playing his sets

It sounds like this has been boiling over for a bit. Maybe he's already had discussions with Fred and management and nothing has changed. It's ok for Butler to do it then. I'm sure assurances and promises were made when he was resigned.

No it isn't ok then. This isn't going to do any good whatsoever.