CmonScal wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:CmonScal wrote:
Fred's paid his dues already - what does that mean? That he can sit back and let the team coach itself? We've seen this season that Fred Hoiberg has been a below average NBA coach. We've passed the quarter point of the season and he still doesn't understand how to manage simple NBA rotations and substitutions. That's not to say he can't get better - I certainly would bet he will in the future. But because he's been around the league a while means that we all can give him a pass? You know who else "paid his dues already"? Byron Scott. Sam Mitchell. I simply don't see how paying your dues makes you infallible.
Speaking to a larger point, I'm not entirely bothered by Jimmy's comments because I think it's going to mix things up in the locker room quite a bit. Could that be bad for the team? There's a possibility. However, continuing with the current status quo won't result in anything good, so I'd rather have someone looking to change things than standing pat and accepting mediocrity.
You didn't get my point at all.
Would Fred Hoiberg be a better coach if he:
1) Tweeted that Niko Mirotic is a terrible teammate?
2) Told Sam Smith that Derrick Rose is only playing well in nationally televised games?
3) Told Nick Friedell that Pau Gasol is the worst defender he has ever seen?
4) Told Haugh that Jimmy Butler plays too much ISO.
That doesn't make him any better than he is today as a coach.
The Jimmy method of strong-arming Fred through the media is NOT going to work. Because Fred is already a strong personality with his own basketball chops in coaching, player management and as a player himself. That was my point about "paying dues". This isn't a battle between unequals. Fred can stand up for himself quite nicely - and that's without Gar or Pax even stepping in.
Yes he is new to the NBA coaching and new to the Chicago Bulls. But so was Jimmy 5 seasons ago. Everyone has growing pains and learning curves.
Imagine if Fred told the media that "Pau needs to listen to the coaches more" OR "Jimmy needs to play within the team construct".
There is no relative right or wrong here. Jimmy is ABSOLUTELY wrong here.
Even from a logic/basketball perspective - it's kind of ridiculous to use the second game played on a night after a 4 OT game and a game in which Pau was not available and everyone else pretty much stunk ( including Jimmy) - it makes like ZERO sense for Jimmy to use that night as the time for laying the gauntlet at Fred.
And the place for it was also ABSOLUTELY wrong. It's NEVER in front of a microphone. You do that if you are getting poor advise OR if you are frustrated and do not have the capacity to regulate yourself emotionally.
If it's the latter, then Jimmy is a terrible leader of men.
Here's some quotes I wouldn't mind for Fred to say to players in the locker room, which apparently he isn't doing according to Jimmy.
"Derrick your effort tonight was miserable, you're going to need to display a higher effort more frequently or you're going to lose playing time"
"Niko, if you don't stop flopping around and begin to work harder, you're not going to play at the end of games"
"Pau, you need to put forth more effort on the defensive end or we're going to play Noah more"
It seems that Jimmy is the only one on this team who is bothered by the bad losses and the awful effort that he's seeing.
He's taking to the media as a means of trying to fix the major problems in this team, as nothing else has worked.
Disclaimer: I'm going to make the assumption that Jimmy's talked to Fred behind closed doors about this all already. If he hasn't, that's not good at all, but Jimmy alluded in his comments that they've discussed these things and I think it's a reasonable assumption.
Listen, I agree with you that calling people out through the media isn't indicative of positive signs. My question to you is, though, are you content with the poor coaching and miserable effort we've seen thus far? It's certainly not ideal, but as I stated, I prefer this much more than keeping with the status quo.
This isn't Edward Snowden and the NSA.
Jimmy isn't some righteous whistle-blower in all this. Instead he's coming across clearly as a pain in the ass, blowhard.
Time to take the good book and put it to use : the sunbeam in your eye first before the speck in your neighbors.
There is NO defense of what Jimmy is doing. Why should we assume that Fred's coaching is not working?
It's working fine for Doug and Noah. It's working fine for Jimmy's production as well. It's working fine in terms of results as compared to last season or Thibs first season. It's working fine in terms of limiting minutes for veterans and developing younger players.
Just because Jimmy disagrees with it ( and some folks here agree with Jimmy) doesn't make it right.
Consider this - the player who has sucked the most and also has a reputation of not getting along well with teammates has been demoted to the bench ( Niko ). The player that didn't fit with floor spacing was also moved to the bench ( Noah).
Fred's made a lot of tough calls. And it's mostly paid off. He just doesn't believe in shouting about it or banging the table really hard or loud noises something something.
That doesn't make Jimmy right. It makes Jimmy as someone who has a different opinion of his coach. One that should be shared - if at all - INTERNALLY only. No matter the circumstances.
For love, not money.
