2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread

[Foye]

There was more depth at the time. Bayern, Schalke, HSV, Leverkusen, Bremen, Stuttgart all had great teams.

Just because Bayern are having a golden period doesnt mean that the whole league is better.

Would love to discuss this over a chat or something. It's shocking how much people in Germany look down on the 00s quality of Bundesliga.

How can a league have more depth and quality during a period when nobody, rightfully, thought anything of it?

Back in that day we had loads of cheap eastern european guys in the league and no real homegrown talent, which showed during the european championships and had the german FA re-think their youth developement.

So no, the league being more balanced doesn't mean more depth or great teams, it just meant that the top teams weren't all that great and therefore others were able to keep up.
I mean, that's like saying the league was better five years ago because someone other than Bayern won it, when, in reality, the only reason of that was Bayern not fully investing their money like they do today.

Though, I do get it given that back then your team was somewhat decent and those memories are just nice for a HSV fan.

The level of play was terrible in the mid 2000's. And even the early 2000s were terrible as well.

Just remember Energie Cottbus who basically didn't have a German player on their entire roster.

[Foye]

I wonder what will be Sammer's job description next season....now that he won't compete with Guardiola for skinniest bald dude on Bayern anymore.

Maybe he'll shift focus and try to outdress Carlo Ancelotti each game then?

[Det the Threat]

I wonder what will be Sammer's job description next season....now that he won't compete with Guardiola for skinniest bald dude on Bayern anymore.

Maybe he'll shift focus and try to outdress Carlo Ancelotti each game then?

Nah, he'll be in eating contests with Ancelotti and will try to outweigh him.

And yeah, I remember Cottbus quite a bit.
Especially Vragil da Silva, who's now managing Neugersdorf in Regionalliga Southeast, and the great Tomislav Piplica, especially thanks to helping us out.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KeT-UmvRkg[/youtube]

[Foye]

Obviously, you came here just to make Hertha's fantastic first leg of the season worse. Trolls gonna troll, I guess. Calling Kalou our 'starman' when he hasn't even been our best player tells me everything I need to know.

Who would you say then? Ibisevic? Darida?

Darida for sure.

I agree. Darida is like a man possessed. I guess if they would tell him to run a marathon prior to the game he would still finish the 90 minutes with 13 km at least. His stamina is really, really impressing. And he's not the worst with the ball at his feet either.

Shame he went to Hertha. We could've used him as well to replace Geis.

[No_20]

There was more depth at the time. Bayern, Schalke, HSV, Leverkusen, Bremen, Stuttgart all had great teams.

Just because Bayern are having a golden period doesnt mean that the whole league is better.

Would love to discuss this over a chat or something. It's shocking how much people in Germany look down on the 00s quality of Bundesliga.

How can a league have more depth and quality during a period when nobody, rightfully, thought anything of it?

Back in that day we had loads of cheap eastern european guys in the league and no real homegrown talent, which showed during the european championships and had the german FA re-think their youth developement.

So no, the league being more balanced doesn't mean more depth or great teams, it just meant that the top teams weren't all that great and therefore others were able to keep up.
I mean, that's like saying the league was better five years ago because someone other than Bayern won it, when, in reality, the only reason of that was Bayern not fully investing their money like they do today.

Though, I do get it given that back then your team was somewhat decent and those memories are just nice for a HSV fan.

Dortmund 4-0 AC Mailand
Schalke 3-1 FC Arsenal
Leverkusen 4-2 FC Liverpool
Leverkusen 3-0 Real Madrid
Werder Bremen 3-2 Real Madrid
Werder Bremen 3-2 Juventus Turin
Werder Bremen 1-0 FC Chelsea
Werder Bremen 2-1 Inter Mailand
Stuttgart 2-1 ManUnited
HSV 3-1 ManCity

Just some of the big NON-BAYERN European scalps I remember during the 00s. Look at some of those great teams that German teams killed in Europa. Wenger's great Arsenal team, Madrid Galacticos, Fergie's ManUnited, Mourinho's Chelsea/Inter, Juventus Turin pre-Calciopoli.

Now it's massive when Wolfsburg beat a ManUnited side who just lost to bloody Norwich and Bournemouth the last week. Leverkusen cant even beat a Barcelona youth team who had nothing to play for in a do-or-die game. At home.

[No_20]

Good. Terrible manager. But he'll probably get another chance because the Bundesliga club dont know that they also play football outside of Germany too.

They wont go down with Schaaf. He's great.

[DD12]

Schaaf is great?? Whenever i watch his team, his team concedes half dozen of goals.

[cgf]

@Nathan:
NO_20 talking about the 2000's of the Bundesliga being better than the current one shouldn't be taken seriously.
Back then a german team in the semifinals of the CL was an insane success and currently we've had two in the final etc., while there's more german talent out there than ever.

Can you blame a HSV for prefering the 2000s? At least he's not clamoring for a return to the 80s.

Schaaf is great?? Whenever i watch his team, his team concedes half dozen of goals.

They don't do much better in the matches you don't watch either. Schaaf is still waiting for the first cleansheet (for his club) of his career.

[No_20]

Schaaf is great?? Whenever i watch his team, his team concedes half dozen of goals.

So he is basically a German Fatih Terim.

[DD12]

Yea but the difference is; one of them also made semi final in euro 08 while having medicore team, quarter finals in cl, uefa trophy etc etc. other one's best club is werder bremen

[Det the Threat]

Can you blame a HSV for prefering the 2000s? At least he's not clamoring for a return to the 80s.

Yeah, that was the first thought crossing my mind as well.

HSV good = league good
HSV not good = trying to find some kind of "logic" to talk the league down compared to the "great" HSV seasons...

[No_20]

Something I thought about while watching Arsenal - ManCity: Why have the most gifted player of this golden generation, Mesut Özil, never for FC Bayern?

[Next Coming]

Is Matip a fraud?

[cgf]

Is Matip a fraud?

He's been Schalke's best CB for a few seasons now. Very athletic with good technical skills, but careful defensively. He's still growing and could need some time to adapt to the EPL, but he's a good one. As a BuLi fan, I would much rather see LFC pursue Howedes and let S04 keep the superior of the two.

[Det the Threat]

Something I thought about while watching Arsenal - ManCity: Why have the most gifted player of this golden generation, Mesut Özil, never for FC Bayern?

Pretty easy to answer.

He signed with Real Madrid and at that point he was out of Bayern's price range.
Arsenal paid about €50M for him and Bayern has never spent that much on a player.

Also, not everyone has to play for Bayern and I'm not sure he would've been a real fit with that team.

BTW: It seems like Knoche to Gladbach won't happen, given that Allofs has stated this.
Though, it might happen during the summer as Wolfsburg's after Niklas Süle of Hoffenheim and at that point might be more willing to sell Knoche.

I still hope we'll get a center back in the winter, given that the only ones left are two 19 year olds and Brouwers and with Nordtveit being needed at his natural CM position.
Xhaka has been suspended for three games(Dortmund, Mainz, Bremen) and is only one booking away(4 yellow cards) from missing another one, while Dahoud could need some rest here and there as well.

[Det the Threat]

Jonas Hofmann(Dortmund) to Gladbach seems like a done deal.
He'll only have to pass his medical, if the rumors are true.

[Foye]

Jonas Hofmann(Dortmund) to Gladbach seems like a done deal.
He'll only have to pass his medical, if the rumors are true.

He's surely talented but also a bit egoistic and injury prone as hell.

Go ahead sign him so we can sign Marvin Stefaniak from Dresden.

[Det the Threat]

He's surely talented but also a bit egoistic and injury prone as hell.

Go ahead sign him so we can sign Marvin Stefaniak from Dresden.

Stefaniak's been linked with us as well and might also be signed for January or the summer(more likely).
I mean we've got a good working relationship with Dresden thanks to loaning them keeper Janis Blaswich at the start of the season.

Also, it's cooking all over the place as the newspapers in Austria are writing about Florian Kainz(Rapid Vienna) signing with us for €4M as well.

[No_20]

Alter.

[Foye]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/483409/Exclusive-Man-United-weigh-up-shock-swoop-Japanese-sensation

Not sure if there is any truth to this but I don't think we could resist selling him if United really were to offer 20 mil.