Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[kyrv]

That's not what KC said. Butler supposedly "used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments."

While those two actions aren't great, let's not blow things out of proportion. Assuming he used profanity addressing the coaching staff and it was done in a disrespectful manner, that's not good. But sometimes people get heated and **** happens.

As for disrupting a film session once "with critical comments": who the eff cares? Maybe he saw Niko miss the same damn rotation for the 20th time and had enough. Big friggin' deal. These guys have film sessions all the damn time.

Like I said, his frustration is with the new young toys that our FO has retrieved not being good at basketball.

I think a lot of people should care, especially if Jimmy is going to force this whole leadership thing. I don't understand following a leader of his style without the hardware to back it up.

I agree Red. He's out over his skiis now.

[NecessaryEvil]

I want Boogie...

[TheAdmiral]

If Jimmy thinks he can call out his teammates like LeBron did a while ago and expects them to start playing better, he's dead wrong. He might be the Bulls best player and he rightfully deserves recognition for that, but what exactly has he achieved in the NBA that would excuse him of such behavior? Respect and leadership isn't earned that way, that's for sure. If you're so sick of (some of) your team mates, go win those games on your own then.

[musiqsoulchild]

We have a "sit down" and we move on.

I don't think Butler wants to move on, I think he wants a change from accepting this elevated mediocrity we've been wallowing for the last 2 years.

Hopefully it happens.

If Butler doesn't want to move on, I have some excellent advise for him.

Join our board, Jimmy.

[Rerisen]

Jimmy is saying again and again that his teammates aren't working hard enough.

I don't know what's worse - but I think Jommy has a more direct connection to the team than Reggie.

He isn't saying anything different than what the majority of this board was saying all last year.

Blaming the bulk of the under achieving on that the team wasn't trying hard last year.

Only we were all ok with it then, because the belief that simply firing the coach was going to correct it.

Now that we see that didn't correct it, its much harder to accept Jimmy saying the team isn't working hard enough, because now the resolution is not such a tidy one. In fact one that suggests a change in course from what we have been doing with this roster.

Or we can sit and say, "Lets wait" some more. Another month. Till Rose's 'vision' heals. Till Mike comes back. Till the deadline. Till we get bounced in the 2nd round again. Whatever, the odds that waiting changes anything is looking pretty darn long.

[NecessaryEvil]

Dare I say it, but this team really misses Luol Deng. Not just for his steady play and CONSISTENCY, but the way he helped manage the locker room during Thibs' tenure. He was probably as well-respected as anyone on the team, and I have a feeling Jimmy wouldn't be going rogue right now because Luol would've nipped that **** in the bud.

C'mon man, Luol has been gone for years.

Move on.

[dice]

except for when, you know, he teased coming back from injury for months on end, including during the playoffs. and for the last season plus when he's coasted through the regular season

I wonder if you actually believe that.

he was "questionable" for half a damn season

[fleet]

We can see now, how butthurt the Bulls have been in the entire coaching change issue. Jimmy really touched a raw nerve didn't he?

[Rerisen]

I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.

[musiqsoulchild]

Jimmy is saying again and again that his teammates aren't working hard enough.

I don't know what's worse - but I think Jommy has a more direct connection to the team than Reggie.

He isn't saying anything different than what the majority of this board was saying all last year.

Blaming the bulk of the under achieving on that the team wasn't trying hard last year.

Only we were all ok with it then, because the belief that simply firing the coach was going to correct it.

Now that we see that didn't correct it, its much harder to accept Jimmy saying the team isn't working hard enough, because now the resolution is not such a tidy one. In fact one that suggests a change in course from what we have been doing with this roster.

Or we can sit and say, "Lets wait" some more. Another month. Till Rose's 'vision' heals. Till Mike comes back. Till the deadline. Till we get bounced in the 2nd round again. Whatever, the odds that waiting changes anything is looking pretty darn long.

You know exactly how this works - yet you're piggybacking on Jimmy's comments.

There are no changes that are gonna happen before the next offseason - when cap room opens up.

Jimmy - being a child- may not get that. But you do.

[TheStig]

2 wrongs do make a right. I stand corrected.

What happened to trying to fix the Bulls? The FO just dragged their showhorse through the mud, and that is supposed to be constructive, but all you want to do is talk about who started it?

All I want to do is for people to accept that Butler is a man and that the comments he made are his and his alone. He should be held accountable.

Yes, the front office have built a flawed roster. Yes, Hoiberg could be harder on the players. These things can be true, as can the fact that Butler has acted like a gigantic tit.

Seeing as he's the one that has been completely unprofessional, it astounds me that people are bringing their agendas of team construction and the flaws within it to the topic as if that gives Butler some sort of an excuse for being mad.

If Lebron James had called out David Blatt like this, he'd be murdered by this board. Butler does it, and it's "not great", but somehow he's pardoned (to a degree) because the FO have Tony Snell as the team's SF.

Give me a break.

This x100.

Butler has gone about this the wrong way. He's not being a good leader if that's his aim.

You're right, it would be better if Butler acted like Lebron......

And we likewise saw LeBron emasculate Blatt in ways that are simply unbecoming of a player of James' legend-in-the-making stature.

I saw it from close range in my role as sideline reporter through the Finals for ESPN Radio. James essentially called timeouts and made substitutions. He openly barked at Blatt after decisions he didn't like. He huddled frequently with Lue, often looking at anyone other than Blatt.

There was James, in one instance I witnessed from right behind the bench, shaking his head vociferously in protest after one play Blatt drew up in the third quarter of Game 5, amounting to the loudest nonverbal scolding you could imagine -- which forced Blatt, in front of his whole team, to wipe the board clean and draw up something else.

[Stratmaster]

So, looks as if the FO has come out guns blazin'. Giving Jimmy the Thibs treatment.

That was lightning quick.

Anyways, looks like the favorite theory of pinning everything on Rose isn't applicable here.

What was that about keeping your private drama out of the press? I doubt the same people crushing Jimmy will be similarly scolding the FO. Prove me wrong people.

I'm sorry, I missed something. What did Gar or Pax say?

[TheAdmiral]

Or we can sit and say, "Lets wait" some more. Another month. Till Rose's 'vision' heals. Till Mike comes back. Till the deadline. Till we get bounced in the 2nd round again. Whatever, the odds that waiting changes anything is looking pretty darn long.

Seeing as how good and competitive the Eastern Conference has become, how much of a lock is it that the Bulls will even make it out of the first round if they continue on this road of inconsistency?

[Rerisen]

You know exactly how this works - yet you're piggybacking on Jimmy's comments.

There are no changes that are gonna happen before the next offseason - when cap room opens up.

Jimmy - being a child- may not get that. But you do.

Max contract players are not children and depending on their level of interest, can get things changed if they push hard enough.

Derrick Rose has already proven that pretty clearly, he operates on his own timetables and own control, quite regardless of how the brass wants him to operate.

Looks like Jimmy might be following suit.

[NecessaryEvil]

I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.

That's great and all but we were the 2nd seed JUST a few days ago. We have been streaking and we are adjusting to a new coach.

Frankly, dude needs to shut the **** up.

Sounds to me like the guy got his money but wants out of Chicago. Sacramento perhaps? Go and lead.

[robbie84]

Would the Bulls trade Butler for the #1 pick or a top 3 or 4 pick in this years draft?
Or would y'all consider him untouchabull?

Hold on a minute, let me consult with the front office and get back to you.

You're so cool and funny.

[Rerisen]

Or we can sit and say, "Lets wait" some more. Another month. Till Rose's 'vision' heals. Till Mike comes back. Till the deadline. Till we get bounced in the 2nd round again. Whatever, the odds that waiting changes anything is looking pretty darn long.

Seeing as how good and competitive the Eastern Conference has become, how much of a lock is it that the Bulls will even make it out of the first round if they continue on this road of inconsistency?

Not a lock at all. Right now every team we could play in the 1st round has played as well or better than us to this point.

And most of those series look like toss ups right now.

If this org's plan was just an easy second round, mid-tier success, and no one rock the boat on that, it is in big jeopardy.

[TheGOATRises007]

All I want to do is for people to accept that Butler is a man and that the comments he made are his and his alone. He should be held accountable.

Yes, the front office have built a flawed roster. Yes, Hoiberg could be harder on the players. These things can be true, as can the fact that Butler has acted like a gigantic tit.

Seeing as he's the one that has been completely unprofessional, it astounds me that people are bringing their agendas of team construction and the flaws within it to the topic as if that gives Butler some sort of an excuse for being mad.

If Lebron James had called out David Blatt like this, he'd be murdered by this board. Butler does it, and it's "not great", but somehow he's pardoned (to a degree) because the FO have Tony Snell as the team's SF.

Give me a break.

This x100.

Butler has gone about this the wrong way. He's not being a good leader if that's his aim.

You're right, it would be better if Butler acted like Lebron......

And we likewise saw LeBron emasculate Blatt in ways that are simply unbecoming of a player of James' legend-in-the-making stature.

I saw it from close range in my role as sideline reporter through the Finals for ESPN Radio. James essentially called timeouts and made substitutions. He openly barked at Blatt after decisions he didn't like. He huddled frequently with Lue, often looking at anyone other than Blatt.

There was James, in one instance I witnessed from right behind the bench, shaking his head vociferously in protest after one play Blatt drew up in the third quarter of Game 5, amounting to the loudest nonverbal scolding you could imagine -- which forced Blatt, in front of his whole team, to wipe the board clean and draw up something else.

Lebron was in the wrong too.

But Lebron has actually accomplished something in this league and is one the top 10 players to ever play.

[GetBuLLish]

I'm sorry, I missed something. What did Gar or Pax say?

That's part of the problem. They don't have enough integrity to put their names to their comments. They would rather bash a member of their organization anonymously.

[Rerisen]

That's great and all but we were the 2nd seed JUST a few days ago. We have been streaking and we are adjusting to a new coach.

Frankly, dude needs to shut the **** up.

Sounds to me like the guy got his money but wants out of Chicago. Sacramento perhaps? Go and lead.

2nd seed one day, 5th seed the next day. Those ranks don't mean much in the East this year.

There is only one team in the pole position and like 9 other teams in a messy lump fighting for the scraps, none of which are real contenders right now.

The Bulls upside was to create a new tier right below Cleveland as the preeminent challengers to the ECF, we have so far failed to do that or distinguish ourselves in any way from the 9 or so other also rans in the East.

We are basically an above average team in the East, which is actually the average thing to be in our conference. Then there is 1 great team and and a handful of real crappy teams.