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Red Larrivee wrote:Rerisen wrote:Anyway, this team's house looks to be a mess, and I think all Jimmy did was probably lift up the rug a little and let some light in.
And according to the story, Jimmy himself is at least partially responsible for this mess.
The guy cursed out the coaching staff during a film session and people are being ho-hum about it. Hilarious.
NecessaryEvil wrote:Rerisen wrote:I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.
That's great and all but we were the 2nd seed JUST a few days ago. We have been streaking and we are adjusting to a new coach.
Frankly, dude needs to shut the **** up.
Sounds to me like the guy got his money but wants out of Chicago. Sacramento perhaps? Go and lead.
Rerisen wrote:TheAdmiral wrote:Rerisen wrote:Or we can sit and say, "Lets wait" some more. Another month. Till Rose's 'vision' heals. Till Mike comes back. Till the deadline. Till we get bounced in the 2nd round again. Whatever, the odds that waiting changes anything is looking pretty darn long.
Seeing as how good and competitive the Eastern Conference has become, how much of a lock is it that the Bulls will even make it out of the first round if they continue on this road of inconsistency?
Not a lock at all. Right now every team we could play in the 1st round has played as well or better than us to this point.
And most of those series look like toss ups right now.
If this org's plan was just an easy second round, mid-tier success, and no one rock the boat on that, it is in big jeopardy.
musiqsoulchild wrote:BoozerRoNo wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:I think I may have found something worse than the Reggie Rose - Rose drama to hate on.
Goodness Jimmy - I read the article. That's just terrible.
I dont see how this is worse. Reggie Rose basically said the Bulls team wasnt good enough for Rose to play. All Butler is saying is this team needs to play harder which they aren't. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Quite honestly, I doubt Rose was sick but coach Hoiberg covered for him. I doubt Rose vision was as bad as coach wanted people to think. I mean was Rose able to drive a car to practice if so it wasnt that bad.
We don't know if Jimmy has talk to the coach about it privately and still chose not to do anything. Jimmy sounds like a guy that wants to win sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Atleast he's not deciding to sit out games like Rose did.
Reggie basically said his teammates are not that good.
Jimmy is saying again and again that his teammates aren't working hard enough.
I don't know what's worse - but I think Jimmy has a more direct connection to the team than Reggie.
Rerisen wrote:TheAdmiral wrote:Rerisen wrote:Or we can sit and say, "Lets wait" some more. Another month. Till Rose's 'vision' heals. Till Mike comes back. Till the deadline. Till we get bounced in the 2nd round again. Whatever, the odds that waiting changes anything is looking pretty darn long.
Seeing as how good and competitive the Eastern Conference has become, how much of a lock is it that the Bulls will even make it out of the first round if they continue on this road of inconsistency?
Not a lock at all. Right now every team we could play in the 1st round has played as well or better than us to this point.
And most of those series look like toss ups right now.
If this org's plan was just an easy second round, mid-tier success, and no one rock the boat on that, it is in big jeopardy.
bullsRlife wrote:As long as it isn't Derrick, its OK. Jimmy's just "passionate".
Michael Jordan wrote:Quote:
“I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don’t get you the ball.”
Quote:
“They’ve got no idea what it’s all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don’t have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They’re not good for much of anything.”
Quote:
“I know what’s gonna happen. We’ll wait until the last minute and then they’ll say something like they couldn’t get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don’t know why I’m surprised every year.”
Quote:
“He can’t do anything with the ball. Don’t give it to him.” – Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue
Quote:
“You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can’t get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can’t even stick his ass into people and get more than that…Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward.” – Michael ripping Stacey King a new one
Quote:
“He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored.” – Michael on B.J. Armstrong’s mental fragility
Quote:
I’ll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves.”
Quote:
“We have to do some things. We need to make some changes.”
Quote:
“…I call them ‘the Looney Tunes.’ Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren’t even close.”
Quote:
“He’s scared. He’s got no heart…Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn’t have been here.”
Quote:
“I know I can recognize what to do, but I’m not sure they can.”
Quote:
“It’s a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers.”
Quote:
“I hope there’s a jumpshot in there.” – Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box
Quote:
“They don’t need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that.” – Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends
Quote:
“Give me the fu*king ball.” – Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine
Quote:
“I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn’t do something. It wasn’t my fault.”
Quote:
“You’re an idiot. You’ve screwed up every play we ever ran. You’re too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you.” – Michael to Horace Grant
Quote:
“If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you’ll never get the ball from me.”
Quote:
“We’re not winning because of talent. We’re just beating bad teams.”
Quote:
“Headache tonight, Scottie?” – Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line
Quote:
“It’s probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up.” – Michael on a ten-day contract teammate
Quote:
“Five more years and I’m out of here. I’m marking these days on a calendar, like I’m in jail. I’m tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone.”
Quote:
“They’re not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won’t make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They’re spending all their time chasing this guy.”
Quote:
“If I were a general manager, we’d be a better team.”
Quote:
“Will Vanderbilt. He doesn’t deserve to be named after a Big Ten school.” – Michael on Will Perdue – AWESOME!
Quote:
“I want to prove the critics wrong…I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven’t seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it’s been more or less a joking thing, sort of a ‘Well, we’re here, so let’s have a good time.'”……….
Quote:
“I’m sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I’m shooting.”
Quote:
“I know what I would do if I were coach. I’d determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it’s pretty clear what our strength is.”
Quote:
“Your boy doesn’t want to play. I’m tired of bailing his ass out.” – Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson
Quote:
“I don’t know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy.” – Michael questioning the Oakley trade
Quote:
“He’s causing me too many turnovers.” – Michael on Cartwright’s inability to catch
Quote:
“Why the hell don’t you ever set a pick like that in a game?” – Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for
The Kane wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:Rerisen wrote:I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.
That's great and all but we were the 2nd seed JUST a few days ago. We have been streaking and we are adjusting to a new coach.
Frankly, dude needs to shut the **** up.
Sounds to me like the guy got his money but wants out of Chicago. Sacramento perhaps? Go and lead.
The 9th seed is only 4 games behind the 1st seed.
Seeding means absolutely nothing atm.
Mark K wrote:fleet wrote:What was that about keeping your private drama out of the press? I doubt the same people crushing Jimmy will be similarly scolding the FO. Prove me wrong people.
K.C. Johnson isn't reporting this stuff about Butler if Butler himself doesn't go on record after the game. I'm assuming you know the difference between the two scenarios and are simply being facetious.
Rerisen wrote:I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.
musiqsoulchild wrote:If we are trending below second round, we'll make a pure salary dump of a non- essential big and save on payroll and LT.
This FO always comes out on top.
You really shouldn't be wishing for the nuclear option. It maybe nuclear for us that the Bulls don't make the playoffs - they'll just adjust the P/L by salary dumping a good player.
The championship or bust folks lose either way.
All true,I don't get why blatt is still there.Isnt he embarrassed with all this and not having control over his players? That's what the coach is there for.A better coach would never deal with that.TheStig wrote:Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Mark K wrote:
All I want to do is for people to accept that Butler is a man and that the comments he made are his and his alone. He should be held accountable.
Yes, the front office have built a flawed roster. Yes, Hoiberg could be harder on the players. These things can be true, as can the fact that Butler has acted like a gigantic tit.
Seeing as he's the one that has been completely unprofessional, it astounds me that people are bringing their agendas of team construction and the flaws within it to the topic as if that gives Butler some sort of an excuse for being mad.
If Lebron James had called out David Blatt like this, he'd be murdered by this board. Butler does it, and it's "not great", but somehow he's pardoned (to a degree) because the FO have Tony Snell as the team's SF.
Give me a break.
This x100.
Butler has gone about this the wrong way. He's not being a good leader if that's his aim.
You're right, it would be better if Butler acted like Lebron......And we likewise saw LeBron emasculate Blatt in ways that are simply unbecoming of a player of James' legend-in-the-making stature.
I saw it from close range in my role as sideline reporter through the Finals for ESPN Radio. James essentially called timeouts and made substitutions. He openly barked at Blatt after decisions he didn't like. He huddled frequently with Lue, often looking at anyone other than Blatt.
There was James, in one instance I witnessed from right behind the bench, shaking his head vociferously in protest after one play Blatt drew up in the third quarter of Game 5, amounting to the loudest nonverbal scolding you could imagine -- which forced Blatt, in front of his whole team, to wipe the board clean and draw up something else.
musiqsoulchild wrote:BoozerRoNo wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:I think I may have found something worse than the Reggie Rose - Rose drama to hate on.
Goodness Jimmy - I read the article. That's just terrible.
I dont see how this is worse. Reggie Rose basically said the Bulls team wasnt good enough for Rose to play. All Butler is saying is this team needs to play harder which they aren't. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Quite honestly, I doubt Rose was sick but coach Hoiberg covered for him. I doubt Rose vision was as bad as coach wanted people to think. I mean was Rose able to drive a car to practice if so it wasnt that bad.
We don't know if Jimmy has talk to the coach about it privately and still chose not to do anything. Jimmy sounds like a guy that wants to win sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Atleast he's not deciding to sit out games like Rose did.
Reggie basically said his teammates are not that good.
Jimmy is saying again and again that his teammates aren't working hard enough.
I don't know what's worse - but I think Jimmy has a more direct connection to the team than Reggie.
robbie84 wrote:can someone post the full article so we don't have to sign up for the Tribune trial? Jesus.
Rerisen wrote:bullsRlife wrote:As long as it isn't Derrick, its OK. Jimmy's just "passionate".
Don't think anyone has said its ok. Most all has said its not.
But just like people said Jimmy is no LeBron to be saying stuff like this, it illustrates a real truth in the NBA.
Players that get it done on the floor, and bust their butts every night, are going to have more power and leeway to flex their muscles in terms of team say so, than guys further down the totem poll.
Jimmy is no GOAT, but some of these comments go to my point and seem way worse than anything he said:Michael Jordan wrote:Quote:
“I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don’t get you the ball.”
Quote:
“They’ve got no idea what it’s all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don’t have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They’re not good for much of anything.”
Quote:
“I know what’s gonna happen. We’ll wait until the last minute and then they’ll say something like they couldn’t get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don’t know why I’m surprised every year.”
Quote:
“He can’t do anything with the ball. Don’t give it to him.” – Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue
Quote:
“You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can’t get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can’t even stick his ass into people and get more than that…Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward.” – Michael ripping Stacey King a new one
Quote:
“He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored.” – Michael on B.J. Armstrong’s mental fragility
Quote:
I’ll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves.”
Quote:
“We have to do some things. We need to make some changes.”
Quote:
“…I call them ‘the Looney Tunes.’ Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren’t even close.”
Quote:
“He’s scared. He’s got no heart…Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn’t have been here.”
Quote:
“I know I can recognize what to do, but I’m not sure they can.”
Quote:
“It’s a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers.”
Quote:
“I hope there’s a jumpshot in there.” – Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box
Quote:
“They don’t need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that.” – Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends
Quote:
“Give me the fu*king ball.” – Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine
Quote:
“I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn’t do something. It wasn’t my fault.”
Quote:
“You’re an idiot. You’ve screwed up every play we ever ran. You’re too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you.” – Michael to Horace Grant
Quote:
“If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you’ll never get the ball from me.”
Quote:
“We’re not winning because of talent. We’re just beating bad teams.”
Quote:
“Headache tonight, Scottie?” – Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line
Quote:
“It’s probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up.” – Michael on a ten-day contract teammate
Quote:
“Five more years and I’m out of here. I’m marking these days on a calendar, like I’m in jail. I’m tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone.”
Quote:
“They’re not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won’t make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They’re spending all their time chasing this guy.”
Quote:
“If I were a general manager, we’d be a better team.”
Quote:
“Will Vanderbilt. He doesn’t deserve to be named after a Big Ten school.” – Michael on Will Perdue – AWESOME!
Quote:
“I want to prove the critics wrong…I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven’t seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it’s been more or less a joking thing, sort of a ‘Well, we’re here, so let’s have a good time.'”……….
Quote:
“I’m sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I’m shooting.”
Quote:
“I know what I would do if I were coach. I’d determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it’s pretty clear what our strength is.”
Quote:
“Your boy doesn’t want to play. I’m tired of bailing his ass out.” – Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson
Quote:
“I don’t know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy.” – Michael questioning the Oakley trade
Quote:
“He’s causing me too many turnovers.” – Michael on Cartwright’s inability to catch
Quote:
“Why the hell don’t you ever set a pick like that in a game?” – Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for
Red Larrivee wrote:Rerisen wrote:I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.
I doubt anyone on the team is happy to be a middle of the pack team, but one of them are going to throw teammates and coaches under the bus to show it.
Red Larrivee wrote:Rerisen wrote:I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.
I doubt anyone on the team is happy to be a middle of the pack team, but one of them are going to throw teammates and coaches under the bus to show it.
Red Larrivee wrote:Rerisen wrote:I'm not sure I like that Jimmy said this to the media, but I do like at least knowing he feels how this team is playing hasn't been good enough. I don't want the best player on my team just happy and accepting of being a middle of the pack playoff team with no higher prospects, and no one else on the team - coaches or players - desiring of anything more.
I doubt anyone on the team is happy to be a middle of the pack team, but one of them are going to throw teammates and coaches under the bus to show it.
kyrv wrote:I am wondering if Jimmy is alone on this, part of his frustration. Nobody has backed him up, not even pc pr wise, and Noah rejected his thoughts. I doubt Pau Rose Noah Taj Kirk are on board.
