Potential Trade Thread

[8on]

here's a thought.....

Festus Ezeli for Sonny Weems and our 2016 1st round pick


Golden State has to let somebody walk. Barnes, Speights, Rush and Ezeli are all free agents this summer. they might as well get a (late lottery-late teens, wherever we end up finishing) first round pick out of it.


as for Kieff, we deal him whenever we can, but at least we have our guy. or at least a pretty good one.

Come on now.
Ezeli is beasting for them as backup center, their passing is making Ezeli look like a 15 million dollar big man.

which is precisely why they can't have him back.

what if they want to go after Kevin Durant? if i were McD, i'd ask. a late lotto/mid teens pick is not a small price for us to pay.

[Jdiddy701]

I bet Bruce Arians would have the Suns playing better.


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[thamadkant]

here's a thought.....

Festus Ezeli for Sonny Weems and our 2016 1st round pick


Golden State has to let somebody walk. Barnes, Speights, Rush and Ezeli are all free agents this summer. they might as well get a (late lottery-late teens, wherever we end up finishing) first round pick out of it.


as for Kieff, we deal him whenever we can, but at least we have our guy. or at least a pretty good one.

Come on now.
Ezeli is beasting for them as backup center, their passing is making Ezeli look like a 15 million dollar big man.

which is precisely why they can't have him back.

what if they want to go after Kevin Durant? if i were McD, i'd ask. a late lotto/mid teens pick is not a small price for us to pay.

Why would you want Warriors to have cap space for another star?

Warriors are Suns rivals in the pacific and in the western conference.

Suns WILL and SHOULD NOT help Warriors get cap space to get a shot at Durant.

Let them cap out with Barnes (who I want for the Suns) and Ezeli.

[8on]

Gigantic trade alert. Because it's so big, I'm not sure if it's smart or not. I think it works.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hhxrpd2

Participants: Phoenix Suns, Brooklyn Nets, Houston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans

in/out

PHX In: Thaddeus Young
PHX Out: Markieff Morris

BKN In: Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Ty Lawson
BKN Out: Joe Johnson, Thaddeus Young

HOU In: Joe Johnson, Omer Asik, Markieff Morris
HOU Out: Dwight Howard, Ty Lawson

NO In: Dwight Howard
NO Out: Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Omer Asik


Rationale:

Phoenix:
Gets a really solid player in Thaddeus Young. Gets rid of a less solid one in Markieff Morris. No-brainer.

Brooklyn:
Gets some serious value out of Joe Johnson. Receives three players who don't fit with their current teams. Becomes relevant.

Houston:
Receives a huge expiring contract in Joe Johnson, which they can use to sign some help for James Harden. It's clear they need some new faces/new players/new something. Johnson's contract gives them the flexibility to surround Harden with whoever he needs to win.

Asik has previously been a Rocket, and he was much better there. Morris gives them the ability to trade Jones or Motiejunas at their convenience.

Howard's unhappiness/inconsistency goes away, and Ty Lawson's inability to fit with the team is converted into guys who can help.

New Orleans:
Gets rid of Omer Asik, who they never use. Gets rid of Ryan Anderson, who they seem to not want to pay. Gets rid of Eric Gordon, who has been pretty good this season, but horribly inefficient. Gets Dwight Howard, who helps them where they need it most: defensively. Concentrates their offense around Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans, Anthony Davis, and Dwight Howard, giving them a big, potent two-way quartet.



Concessions:
1. Markieff Morris isn't worth Thaddeus Young. Well, Brooklyn's getting a lot back, so I doubt they'll miss him.

2. New Orleans is giving up a lot. Well, it depends on how you see Dwight Howard. New Orleans needs post defense, and Howard is still fairly good at that. Averaging 13 and 12 on 58.1 FG% isn't inconsiderable. The truth is that they haven't been able to use Gordon, they seem to be squeamish about paying Anderson, and they never use Asik. This could be exactly what they need. If it isn't, Howard's contract only lasts 2 years, with an option to opt out this year, giving them the ability to rebuild around Anthony Davis. (Of course, it replays the nightmare scenario that happened with the Lakers. It's a risk, but it could pay off where they need it most. Plus, think of the post defense. Frightening....blocks and rebounds everywhere.)



i'm not sure if it's good or not. maybe. Reactions/criticisms/"are you crazy?!?!?!?" 's all welcome.

[8on]

Come on now.
Ezeli is beasting for them as backup center, their passing is making Ezeli look like a 15 million dollar big man.

which is precisely why they can't have him back.

what if they want to go after Kevin Durant? if i were McD, i'd ask. a late lotto/mid teens pick is not a small price for us to pay.

Why would you want Warriors to have cap space for another star?

Warriors are Suns rivals in the pacific and in the western conference.

Suns WILL and SHOULD NOT help Warriors get cap space to get a shot at Durant.

Let them cap out with Barnes (who I want for the Suns) and Ezeli.

I don't.

if the Warriors want Durant - and if he wants them - they can simply let those guys walk. they don't need our help. we just get Ezeli out of it.

[TASTIC]

Gigantic trade alert. Because it's so big, I'm not sure if it's smart or not. I think it works.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hhxrpd2

Participants: Phoenix Suns, Brooklyn Nets, Houston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans

in/out

PHX In: Thaddeus Young
PHX Out: Markieff Morris

BKN In: Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Ty Lawson
BKN Out: Joe Johnson, Thaddeus Young

HOU In: Joe Johnson, Omer Asik, Markieff Morris
HOU Out: Dwight Howard, Ty Lawson

NO In: Dwight Howard
NO Out: Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Omer Asik


Rationale:

Phoenix:
Gets a really solid player in Thaddeus Young. Gets rid of a less solid one in Markieff Morris. No-brainer.

Brooklyn:
Gets some serious value out of Joe Johnson. Receives three players who don't fit with their current teams. Becomes relevant.

Houston:
Receives a huge expiring contract in Joe Johnson, which they can use to sign some help for James Harden. It's clear they need some new faces/new players/new something. Johnson's contract gives them the flexibility to surround Harden with whoever he needs to win.

Asik has previously been a Rocket, and he was much better there. Morris gives them the ability to trade Jones or Motiejunas at their convenience.

Howard's unhappiness/inconsistency goes away, and Ty Lawson's inability to fit with the team is converted into guys who can help.

New Orleans:
Gets rid of Omer Asik, who they never use. Gets rid of Ryan Anderson, who they seem to not want to pay. Gets rid of Eric Gordon, who has been pretty good this season, but horribly inefficient. Gets Dwight Howard, who helps them where they need it most: defensively. Concentrates their offense around Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans, Anthony Davis, and Dwight Howard, giving them a big, potent two-way quartet.



Concessions:
1. Markieff Morris isn't worth Thaddeus Young. Well, Brooklyn's getting a lot back, so I doubt they'll miss him.

2. New Orleans is giving up a lot. Well, it depends on how you see Dwight Howard. New Orleans needs post defense, and Howard is still fairly good at that. Averaging 13 and 12 on 58.1 FG% isn't inconsiderable. The truth is that they haven't been able to use Gordon, they seem to be squeamish about paying Anderson, and they never use Asik. This could be exactly what they need. If it isn't, Howard's contract only lasts 2 years, with an option to opt out this year, giving them the ability to rebuild around Anthony Davis. (Of course, it replays the nightmare scenario that happened with the Lakers. It's a risk, but it could pay off where they need it most. Plus, think of the post defense. Frightening....blocks and rebounds everywhere.)



i'm not sure if it's good or not. maybe. Reactions/criticisms/"are you crazy?!?!?!?" 's all welcome.

It's so massive that it would never happen...but that's a really well thought out trade man - I like it.

It could be two separate deals as well, swap of Kieff/Thad and then the rest of the mega deal in a separate 3-teamer. Main concern would be Asik - I can't see HOU taking him on, despite him playing there previously. Capela is a future defensive stud and they'd want him going right in as starting C with a Howard trade I suspect.

I like it, from all sides.

[Dr Manute]

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[Damkac]

If Suns put Bledsoe on the trade block I think there would be huge interest around the NBA. What do you think he is worth?

From a draft pick perspective I would ask for a high pick, say something like a #8 pick or better.

I am thinking about gauging interest and posting this on the trade board. I think we could get something valuable in the form of a high pick or prospect.

So trade very good player in Bledsoe for a draft pick that with much luck gives you player as good and with much much much much luck gives you somebody better but most probobly gives you somebody not as good?

Let's stop blaming our guards for this team playing bad. The rest of the team is a 19 years old rookie, sophomore who is bad shooter and terrible defender, 3rd year center, 3rd year guard who can't defend, shoot or think, broken Chandler, 2 not bad stretch power forwards, Kieff who don't give a ... about anything, PJ who is PJ and Ronnie Price. And not so good coach.
Yeah, Bledsoe and Knight are the biggest problem here, no doubt.

[carey]

I'm blaming Bledsoe for the fact he can't execute in late game situations. Waiting for the media to call him out on his repeated crunch time failures, but nothing...

[letsgosuns]

If the Suns are interested in a straight salary dump, they could trade Knight, Markieff, and Tucker straight up for Joe Johnson on January 15. That would free an enormous amount of salary cap space after this season. It might actually make them better now too. Even though Knight has been a better player than Johnson this year by far, it is not translating into team success with the Suns. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt clearly does not work well. So having a traditional shooting guard like Johnson could help the team in the short term. Hell it could not be any worse, but if it is, it will just get the Suns a better pick. I would also rather have Booker learn from Johnson moreso than Knight anyway.

[thamadkant]

If the Suns are interested in a straight salary dump, they could trade Knight, Markieff, and Tucker straight up for Joe Johnson on January 15. That would free an enormous amount of salary cap space after this season. It might actually make them better now too. Even though Knight has been a better player than Johnson this year by far, it is not translating into team success with the Suns. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt clearly does not work well. So having a traditional shooting guard like Johnson could help the team in the short term. Hell it could not be any worse, but if it is, it will just get the Suns a better pick. I would also rather have Booker learn from Johnson moreso than Knight anyway.

I was half way writing similar idea. But nets dont have picks and McD wont dump Knight...

[Damkac]

After giving LAL pick for Knight that would be very bad move to dump him.

[sunskerr]

Dumping a 24 year old who scores 20 ppg on a contract which isn't going to be close to the max this summer is a bad idea. In fact, I'm so sick of people calling for trading Knight for peanuts that I'm not even going to bother with refuting posts like that anymore. It's literally the worst thing being posted here and people here should know better than that. Glad those people aren't our GM. We'd be worse than the Sixers.

[RaisingArizona]

My trade date is just two days away.

[Saberestar]

If the Suns are interested in a straight salary dump, they could trade Knight, Markieff, and Tucker straight up for Joe Johnson on January 15. That would free an enormous amount of salary cap space after this season. It might actually make them better now too. Even though Knight has been a better player than Johnson this year by far, it is not translating into team success with the Suns. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt clearly does not work well. So having a traditional shooting guard like Johnson could help the team in the short term. Hell it could not be any worse, but if it is, it will just get the Suns a better pick. I would also rather have Booker learn from Johnson moreso than Knight anyway.

I was half way writing similar idea. But nets dont have picks and McD wont dump Knight...

An interesting option could be Joe Johnson and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson for Brandon Knight and Markieff.

[RaisingArizona]

I don't understand why some of you are attempting to trade for a 34 year old guy who's basically done. Salary dumping Knight would be borderline insane.

[Saberestar]

I don't understand why some of you are attempting to trade for a 34 year old guy who's basically done. Salary dumping Knight would be borderline insane.

Well, the idea is trading for his contract and a great prospect in Rondae. He has been tremendous defensively and I think he is gonna be a really good player that probably in the future can defend 1-5 like Draymond Green nowadays. Those type of players are valuable and he would be a great addition to Warren, Booker, Len and Bledsoe.

My other point is that I don't believe that Knight is an effective player and deserves 14M/year and a ton of usage...he makes players around him invisible. I know that he is putting around 20 points per game, but Aaron Brooks did that too and he wasn't starter material. He had a good stretch of games, but other than that he has played horrible team basketball.

I like him more like a sixth man in a Jet Terry role, but if we can get Rondae for him I would prefer the defensive, younger and cheaper player.

BTW, Johnson can be a cheap addition next year if he embraces a role like a veteran leader here for the rest of the season. You never know.

[bwgood77]

If the Suns are interested in a straight salary dump, they could trade Knight, Markieff, and Tucker straight up for Joe Johnson on January 15. That would free an enormous amount of salary cap space after this season. It might actually make them better now too. Even though Knight has been a better player than Johnson this year by far, it is not translating into team success with the Suns. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt clearly does not work well. So having a traditional shooting guard like Johnson could help the team in the short term. Hell it could not be any worse, but if it is, it will just get the Suns a better pick. I would also rather have Booker learn from Johnson moreso than Knight anyway.

I was half way writing similar idea. But nets dont have picks and McD wont dump Knight...

Plus Joe Johnson sucks. I had him on my fantasy team for a while and he simply stinks. His shooting %s are abysmal. He is shooting 37% from the field and 31% from 3. I obviously dropped him, and you have to be pretty bad to be dropped in our deep fantasy leagues. I mean, I have Jameer Nelson and Raymond Felton on my team right now. Both are playing FAR better than Johnson. No one needs to learn anything from Johnson.

Having a TON of cap space this summer is somewhat worthless because EVERY team will have cap space. We have a hard enough time signing guys to contracts when there were like 5-8 teams with cap space, but now there will be like 25. That's why I don't really mind the Knight and Chandler contracts. Chandler is a bit overpaid for what he provides on the court, and he will basically likely be a back up center after this year. We may be able to trade him to a contender at the trade deadline next year or the year after, when the cap # is huge, and they want a vet in the middle. Knight is super young. A year younger than Lillard. He (and Bledsoe) need to play smarter, but that comes in time, especially with point guards.

They do make a ton of turnovers, but so did Nash. Nash averaged 3.3pg for his career and Knight has averaged 3.1. Of course Knight doesn't have the assists, that Nash does, but he does some other things well.

[nevetsov]

^ Posted a Joe Johnson trade idea a few days ago, and a few pages back. Building on it:

ASAP: Chandler, Morris, Tucker for Joe Johnson, for reasons already explained.

In a few weeks: Knight, Weems for Noah, Hinrich, Snell, 1st

- Chicago create a 3 guard rotation of Rose, Butler, Knight, with Brooks as 4th guard.
- 3 man big rotation of Gasol, Mirotic, Gibson, while freeing up some minutes for Portis as 4th big.
- Still keep McDermott and Dunleavy at the 3.

PHX

Bledsoe, Hinrich, Price
Booker, Snell, Goodwin
Johnson, Warren
Leuer, Teletovic
Len, Noah, Jefferson

* One year of veteran mentoring from JJ (wing) and Noah (big) before both come off the books, freeing up $38m. Use the rest of the season to assess what we have in the young guys and fill the holes via the draft and FA accordingly. Preferably throw a max deal at a PF, while retaining one of Leuer or Mirza.

[bwgood77]

I don't understand why some of you are attempting to trade for a 34 year old guy who's basically done. Salary dumping Knight would be borderline insane.

Well, the idea is trading for his contract and a great prospect in Rondae. He has been tremendous defensively and I think he is gonna be a really good player that probably in the future can defend 1-5 like Draymond Green nowadays. Those type of players are valuable and he would be a great addition to Warren, Booker, Len and Bledsoe.

My other point is that I don't believe that Knight is an effective player and deserves 14M/year and a ton of usage...he makes players around him invisible. I know that he is putting around 20 points per game, but Aaron Brooks did that too and he wasn't starter material. He had a good stretch of games, but other than that he has played horrible team basketball.

I like him more like a sixth man in a Jet Terry role, but if we can get Rondae for him I would prefer the defensive, younger and cheaper player.

BTW, Johnson can be a cheap addition next year if he embraces a role like a veteran leader here for the rest of the season. You never know.

Have you watched Rondae much? He is awesome defensively but terrible offensively. He is a smart player though. I doubt he will EVER develop a 3 pt shot, and in today's game, you almost need every player but the 5 able to spread the floor or you are going to have a tough time keeping up with teams that can nail those shots, and your spacing will be awful.