Al Horford was represented by Arn Tellem...

Pharaoh · Post #41 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:12 pm

I think we'd want to pay less than $8 mil for any back up PG considering RJ is the man now.

Jennings might take that but it's also likely he plays himself into more $$$

Shady_ · Post #42 » by **Shady_** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:14 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Don't be shocked to see Jennings traded as well if he plays good. We might not want to pay him a big deal, Max Dre, Max another player, pick up Illys option and then you got guys like KCP who will need resigned the following season as well. I'm not so sure we can afford to pay Jennings this off season if he plays well.

Agree

and if we don't trade Jennings, I think he leaves in FA anyways. He wants to be a starter and wants the spotlight, all while getting paid.

I don't want us wasting and spending alot of money on a backup PG, when we can get a backup thats just as effective for much cheaper.

Todd3 · Post #43 » by **Todd3** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:27 pm

Cowology wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Todd3 wrote:What is Jennings caphold?

I believe 150% of previous salary given we have full Bird rights, not coming off rookie contract - http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/5/23/5732226/2014-nba-free-agency-atlanta-hawks-salary-cap

So Jennings cap hold would be $12M against our cap until re-signed or renounced.

Correct. It's a little over $12.5 mil.

As for Horford, he doesn't even need to shoot 3's. All you really need for spacing is somebody who can score from 15-18 feet which he can.

Agree but the more space for Reggie/Dre the better, so the fact that he has added a 3 now is even more reason he would fit so perfect.

mattao313 · Post #44 » by **mattao313** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:30 pm

If we re-signed Jennings it wouldn't just to play backup pg, it would be for 6th man it's a pretty big difference.

MotownMadness · Post #45 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:33 pm

mattao313 wrote:If we re-signed Jennings it wouldn't just to play backup pg, it would be for 6th man it's a pretty big difference.

It all depends on how much. Jennings is not really considered a sixth man as he is a starter on most teams and will probably be paid like one. There's a difference of a sixth man getting 8-10 per compared to 15+per.

Todd3 · Post #46 » by **Todd3** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:34 pm

Pharaoh wrote:I think we'd want to pay less than $8 mil for any back up PG considering RJ is the man now.

Jennings might take that but it's also likely he plays himself into more $$$

I think 10-12m for a quality 6th man is probably going to be the norm in the new cap era. Iguodala makes 12m now under this cap. A top 6th man could be making 15m in the new era. So I wouldn't have a problem paying Jennings starters type money to come off the bench, if he is playing starters minutes and producing like a starter.

I think we were paying McDyess like 7-8m under the old, old cap. That's nothing today for a bench player. Meeks/Baynes make 6-7m and Jennings is way better than both. Ideally, we can move their contracts and give that money to Brandon instead. He deserves it more and would be a shame if we can't retain one of our best player because of them.

mattao313 · Post #47 » by **mattao313** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:48 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
mattao313 wrote:If we re-signed Jennings it wouldn't just to play backup pg, it would be for 6th man it's a pretty big difference.

It all depends on how much. Jennings is not really considered a sixth man as he is a starter on most teams and will probably be payed like one. There's a difference of a sixth man getting 8-10 per compared to 15+per.

Thats what he would be on our team, but yeah I not arguing about his potential price tag I wouldn't want to pay over 10. I was arguing that a 6th man has a much bigger role than a 15 min back up thats why he would be paid more.

Kilo · Post #48 » by **Kilo** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:08 pm

Jennings will listen to all offers for a starter job first. Just like Reggie wanted his own team, so does Brandon. Jennings is only 26 yr old himself. Not a knock against him in any way - but it is what it is. If he doesn't get any offers where he could start I could see him come back here on a shorter term deal thinking he needs to prove his health - maybe a one year deal with PO for the second year even or something.

vic · Post #49 » by **vic** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:44 pm

I think offering Jenings 15M a year to be perennial 6th man of the year and win championships would be pretty appealing. Plus its not like you don't need pg insurance in SVGs offense

Kilo · Post #50 » by **Kilo** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:33 pm

We don't even know if Reggie and Brandon can play together yet. Regardless I'm not paying any bench player $15M.

mercury · Post #51 » by **mercury** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:42 pm

A defense is only as good as their weakest link... Anderson is a step down from Illy... the offensive efficiency is similar (Anderson is just more of a volume shooter).
We need a defense that can play on a string and make switches without a major liability.

bballnmike · Post #52 » by **bballnmike** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:58 pm

So you're Tellem me there's a chance?

GreekAlex · Post #53 » by **GreekAlex** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:31 pm

I'd be interested to see if Horford could fit with this team.

His age is a small concern but he doesn't reall depend on his athleticism.

If things don't work out I could see him as a trade chip in a S&T deal for Serge Ibaka. He will be a free agent the following off season and considering all the question marks with OKC I could see him being moved.

El Chivo · Post #54 » by **El Chivo** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:17 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
El Chivo wrote:Horford doesn't fit

Please explain. And please don't go to the cliche "he doesn't shoot 3's" line people wear out around here.

cause he's more of a center than a power forward.

DetroitSho · Post #55 » by **DetroitSho** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:21 pm

El Chivo wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
El Chivo wrote:Horford doesn't fit

Please explain. And please don't go to the cliche "he doesn't shoot 3's" line people wear out around here.

cause he's more of a center than a power forward.

Ok please explain THIS. And please don't go with, "he's played center his whole career", seeing as how it's widely accepted that he's a PF that has had to play out of position his whole career because his team has always been constructed where 2 out of the 3 best guys on the team are PF's. And that's a testament to his versatility that he has been able to effectively hold it down at center. But that fact has limited his team's ceiling.

Post #56 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:25 pm

Horford would fit just fine IMO.

While its true that he doesn't hit threes, he's got a damn fine mid range game that would go great with Drummond. He's also a good passer and its very helpful to have frontcourt players that can pass the ball in todays' NBA offense.

I think way to much is being made of the whole "Tellem used to represent player X' though. I'd love to be proven wrong one day though.

ImHeisenberg · Post #57 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:28 pm

Snakebites wrote:I think way to much is being made of the whole "Tellem used to represent player X' though. I'd love to be proven wrong one day though.

Grasping and illusionary strings isn't anything new here. Recall when a few posters believed Tellem was going to sway LaMarcus Aldridge to come to Detroit.

El Chivo · Post #58 » by **El Chivo** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:33 pm

I like our current structure with two perimetral wings. We must improve the level of one of those and let the one replaced improve the bench.

I.E.: Gallo instead of Ilyasova, who slips 7th man.

the problem is we don't have asset we can sacrifice.

zeebneeb · Post #59 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:42 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I think way to much is being made of the whole "Tellem used to represent player X' though. I'd love to be proven wrong one day though.

Grasping and illusionary strings isn't anything new here. Recall when a few posters believed Tellem was going to sway LaMarcus Aldridge to come to Detroit.

Nor is the soul-crushing pessimism.

Post #60 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:53 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I think way to much is being made of the whole "Tellem used to represent player X' though. I'd love to be proven wrong one day though.

Grasping and illusionary strings isn't anything new here. Recall when a few posters believed Tellem was going to sway LaMarcus Aldridge to come to Detroit.
Nor is the soul-crushing pessimism.

Honestly, in terms of free agency, even pessimists haven't been realistic enough when it comes to who the Pistons can get to come here.