Beal for Bradley + Crowder: Who says no?

[Celts17Pride]

Tyrus Thomas (first 2 years) .443 FG Pct, .673 FT Pct, 13.8 ppg, 9.7 rpg per (36 mins)
Nerlens Noel (first 2 years) .458 FG Pct, .594 FT Pct, 11.7 ppg, 9.5 rpg per (36 mins)

People always overrate players. Sixers are not going to get anywhere near what they expect for Noel.

[BleedGreen1989]

Probably because Washington hasn't made any indications of wanting to trade Beal, and if they were they would certainly look for more value (probably a young big man).

This was hypothetical lol, the Wiz fan who posted in this thread is the one who brought this up. I think by looking at the results he can see that his trade idea isn't good value for the Wizards.

Certainly agree on the first bolded, but not the second.

How so? You don't think the Wizards couldn't get more value than this for Beal?

I've seen the Sixers fans wanting to offer Noel + 1st for instance - I would take that over this proposal. Washington is looking for a big man with potential, not perimeter players.

Well, I suppose they could get more "value". I have no idea what teams would offer.

Assuming you want to chase Durant, what do you think makes him more interested? Two productive, defensive stoppers who are team-first guys, or an extremely raw big man in Noel and a future pick? Neither one probably moves the needle considerably, but Durant would want to win "now" and probably doesn't care much about developing a kid and draft picks.

Again, value is subjective.

[winter_mute_13]

I've seen the Sixers fans wanting to offer Noel + 1st for instance - I would take that over this proposal. Washington is looking for a big man with potential, not perimeter players.

Maybe you should put that trade up in a separate thread? Because I can tell you many Sixers fans are going to object to that

[Texas Chuck]

I'm really surprised the poll results are what they are...

It's all perception and where players were drafted. That's why people think Nerlens Noel is the 2nd coming of Karl Malone.

No one thinks Noel is Karl Malone. If you want to make a hyperbolic comparison to make a point choose Ben Wallace or Deke.


I'd pass as Boston as well. The value for Bradley and Crowder on those contracts is ridiculously good.

[Texas Chuck]

Tyrus Thomas (first 2 years) .443 FG Pct, .673 FT Pct, 13.8 ppg, 9.7 rpg per (36 mins)
Nerlens Noel (first 2 years) .458 FG Pct, .594 FT Pct, 11.7 ppg, 9.5 rpg per (36 mins)

People always overrate players. Sixers are not going to get anywhere near what they expect for Noel.

I'm not sure why you are doing this about Noel itt, but you need to stop. This has become trolling at this point. Comparing offensive numbers when the bulk of Noel's value is defense makes really no sense.

You are welcome to not like Noel. But continuing to post irrelevant things about him in an unrelated thread really feels like you are baiting/trolling. I can appreciate that's not likely your intent, but that's how it comes across.

[Illmatic12]

Certainly agree on the first bolded, but not the second.

How so? You don't think the Wizards couldn't get more value than this for Beal?

I've seen the Sixers fans wanting to offer Noel + 1st for instance - I would take that over this proposal. Washington is looking for a big man with potential, not perimeter players.

Well, I suppose they could get more "value". I have no idea what teams would offer.

Assuming you want to chase Durant, what do you think makes him more interested? Two productive, defensive stoppers who are team-first guys, or an extremely raw big man in Noel and a future pick? Neither one probably moves the needle considerably, but Durant would want to win "now" and probably doesn't care much about developing a kid and draft picks.

Again, value is subjective.

Tbh the whole idea of Washington chasing Durant, is not realistic to me.

I only brought that up because most Wiz fans think it's still in play. There's like a 100pg thread on the Wiz forum discussing something that I don't think is ever going to happen. Personally, I don't see why he won't re-up with OKC, but a lot of other Wiz fans think the team should be making moves with the mindset of 'clearing capspace for Durant's team' and so on.

To me, for a franchise that hasn't historically attracted bigtime FAs, and can't afford to turn off the star player they have now (Wall), the idea of value and team-building takes on a different tone.

[Troubadour]

Washington. Washington says no.

[Celts17Pride]

Tyrus Thomas (first 2 years) .443 FG Pct, .673 FT Pct, 13.8 ppg, 9.7 rpg per (36 mins)
Nerlens Noel (first 2 years) .458 FG Pct, .594 FT Pct, 11.7 ppg, 9.5 rpg per (36 mins)

People always overrate players. Sixers are not going to get anywhere near what they expect for Noel.

I'm not sure why you are doing this about Noel itt, but you need to stop. This has become trolling at this point. Comparing offensive numbers when the bulk of Noel's value is defense makes really no sense.

You are welcome to not like Noel. But continuing to post irrelevant things about him in an unrelated thread really feels like you are baiting/trolling. I can appreciate that's not likely your intent, but that's how it comes across.

Except people propose trades like Noel is a young Karl Malone.

[bondom34]

Tyrus Thomas (first 2 years) .443 FG Pct, .673 FT Pct, 13.8 ppg, 9.7 rpg per (36 mins)
Nerlens Noel (first 2 years) .458 FG Pct, .594 FT Pct, 11.7 ppg, 9.5 rpg per (36 mins)

People always overrate players. Sixers are not going to get anywhere near what they expect for Noel.

I'm not sure why you are doing this about Noel itt, but you need to stop. This has become trolling at this point. Comparing offensive numbers when the bulk of Noel's value is defense makes really no sense.

You are welcome to not like Noel. But continuing to post irrelevant things about him in an unrelated thread really feels like you are baiting/trolling. I can appreciate that's not likely your intent, but that's how it comes across.

Except people propose trades like Noel is a young Karl Malone.

I don't know what you're talking about.

And people do the same type of thing you're saying with every young player. So this isn't exclusive if it is happening.

[Celts17Pride]

I'm not sure why you are doing this about Noel itt, but you need to stop. This has become trolling at this point. Comparing offensive numbers when the bulk of Noel's value is defense makes really no sense.

You are welcome to not like Noel. But continuing to post irrelevant things about him in an unrelated thread really feels like you are baiting/trolling. I can appreciate that's not likely your intent, but that's how it comes across.

Except people propose trades like Noel is a young Karl Malone.

I don't know what you're talking about.

And people do the same type of thing you're saying with every young player. So this isn't exclusive if it is happening.

Doesn't mean there is any reality to it.

[bondom34]

Except people propose trades like Noel is a young Karl Malone.

I don't know what you're talking about.

And people do the same type of thing you're saying with every young player. So this isn't exclusive if it is happening.

Doesn't mean there is any reality to it.

To what? People here talk about Smart like Gary Payton then too if that's your assumption. Its completely off the topic at hand and trolling for no reason to bring it up in an entirely unrelated thread.

[Texas Chuck]

Look if you want to make yet another Noel OP gauging his value go ahead--or better yet just bump an existing one.

But please drop it in this thread.

[Celts17Pride]

Smart and Noel both don't have any real trade value because neither have proven anything.

[bondom34]

And neither are involved in this trade.

[gom]

This is really hard for me to evaluate. At face value, it looks like a great trade for both sides. Bradley and Crowder would be great on the Wizards. Beal could add much to an already great Boston backcourt (that won't miss Bradley.) In the games I've seen (eyetest - no idea about the adv stats) Crowder is tough on defense.

I like this deal. Either side could like their own guys more, but it seems fair to me.

[gom]

Bradley Beal for Avery Bradley + Jae Crowder, which team says no?

The reasoning is that Beal's advanced stats have not increased and he may be at his ceiling, thus the Wizards should trade him by the deadline rather than negotiate an extension which would be a likely overpay.

The Celtics are targeted as a good trade partner looking for scoring talent, Bradley and Crowder are two relatively young players who are contributing well on a good Celtics team. Based on their advanced statistical production, both are great bargains on their current contracts and would provide cap relief for DC, who is hoping to build a deep team around Durant.

Shouldn't you have an option not to object?