Potential Trade Thread

Post #1841 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:25 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Who is contending, needs a defensive center, and has expirings enough to take on Chandler and throw us picks back?

I'll talk to myself. How about Chandler for Noah and a protected first for 2017? Who says no?

I guess that is possible too.

thamadkant · Post #1842 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:27 am

Pacers can use Chandler...

for Turner and an expiring?

they can have Tucker as steak knives.

AtheJ415 · Post #1843 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:33 am

1UPZ wrote:Pacers can use Chandler...

for Turner and an expiring?

they can have Tucker as steak knives.

I'd love Turner but not sure they'll move him. Maybe if we threw in Mirza and took back Solomon Hill? The problem is the expirings aren't large on their own in Indy, so to take on Chandler, they'd basically have to throw in Jordan Hill and Budinger, and both are part of their rotation. Is Indy a better team trading Jordan Hill, Budinger, and Mahimi (rotation guys), as well as Turner and Solomon Hill for Chandler and Mirza? Because that's essentially what it would have to be. We could remove Solo, but since they declined his option they shouldn't really care either way. They clearly don't plan on keeping him.

jredsaz · Post #1844 » by **jredsaz** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:35 am

Fivethirtyeight.com projected team wins for the season using their CARMELO tool.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Suns are projected to have the eight worst record in the league and only have a 26% chance to make the playoffs. We are essentially the last of the playoffs pretenders.

Trading Bledsoe, Tucker, Kieff, and Teletovic could get us into the bottom six with a shot at a top three pick while adding more picks and young talent.

It would end any pursuit of a major free agent or a trade for a star in the next two years and probably push our playoff drought to 8 years at least.

Not sure I am there yet but I am close.

AtheJ415 · Post #1845 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:35 am

I don't see Dallas as viable for Chandler for salary reasons. We'd have to take half their team due to how top-heavy their salary structure is. The only way I could see it is if they decided to move on from Chandler Parsons and we decided we wanted Chandler Parsons.

AtheJ415 · Post #1846 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:37 am

jredsaz wrote:Fivethirtyeight.com projected team wins for the season using their CARMELO tool.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Suns are projected to have the eight worst record in the league and only have a 26% chance to make the playoffs. We are essentially the last of the playoffs pretenders.

Trading Bledsoe, Tucker, Kieff, and Teletovic could get us into the bottom six with a shot at a top three pick while adding more picks and young talent.

It would end any pursuit of a major free agent or a trade for a star in the next two years and probably push our playoff drought to 8 years at least.

Not sure I am there yet but I am close.

I'm not so sure. I'd argue that this season, only Bledsoe and Tele have helped us win games. Trading Kieff and Tucker is a nonfactor as far as impact to winning now imo.

letsgosuns · Post #1847 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:38 am

I am not worried about the playoff drought. I view the previous five years as a sunk cost. The organization should not factor that into their future decision making. They need to look at their current roster and come to grips at how poorly it is constructed. Keepers: Len, Warren, Booker. Trade bait: everyone else. Do what the Diamondbacks did last season and trade away all the garbage. Eat contracts if you have to. Fans would rather see young players with potential than Bledsoe play like he does not care.

Grots · Post #1848 » by **Grots** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:45 am

Bird's smart, he knows the value of rookie contracts especially in Indiana where free agents don't go. Myles Turner isn't going anywhere. The money is too hard to work out anyway.

As for the Bulls, maybe. Probably not. IIRC they haven't traded a first round pick since... god knows when. They're also very, very high on their young guys so we ain't getting Portis either. Also, Noah is starting to show some life.

Post #1849 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:45 am

AtheJ415 wrote:What does everyone think about trading Chandler? I'm somewhat on the fence, but moving closer to wanting him moved.

I'm down for it. I think he does help in terms of leadership but I already had reservations when we signed him. He's helped us earlier in the season defensively but now that things have settled down a little bit around the NBA, we're no better than average defensively and his veteran leadership doesn't really shine through. He's not overly expensive but I don't like the idea of an ageing C in our books for another 3 seasons after this one. That's not mentioning he's seen a drop in production across the board (48FG% vs 59FG% career).

I would've loved to have him on board had we picked up LMA but since we lost our bid for LMA, I've felt Tyson was sort of in no man's land.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1850 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:46 am

Sarver wants to win now.

letsgosuns · Post #1851 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:00 am

The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

Post #1852 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:03 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

We'd probably have to give up Len and Booker in this hypothetical deal and even then I doubt it's enough. Butler is probably the #2 or #3 best two way player in the league right now

Barkley_34 · Post #1853 » by **Barkley_34** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:04 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

Like that

Post #1854 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:04 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

I thought about that earlier today, because I know they are committed to Hoiberg $25 million, but Jimmy and possibly others don't like him. But there is no way they trade Jimmy Butler any time soon unless they get a major offer, and I mean players that would make a difference on their team to compete now, moreso than Butler. Unfortunately, we don't have those players.

Post #1855 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:04 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

I don't think the Bulls would do it but I would offer them Knight/Archie 2 Miami 1st for Jimmy Butler. They still say no, but at least we tried right?

jredsaz · Post #1856 » by **jredsaz** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:05 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

I dreamed about that night. Sweat awesomeness dreams...

Post #1857 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:06 am

Or maybe Knight/Warren 2 Miami 1st for Butler. We can slide him to the 3 and have Bledsoe/Booker/Butler

Post #1858 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:06 am

jredsaz wrote:Fivethirtyeight.com projected team wins for the season using their CARMELO tool.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Suns are projected to have the eight worst record in the league and only have a 26% chance to make the playoffs. We are essentially the last of the playoffs pretenders.

Trading Bledsoe, Tucker, Kieff, and Teletovic could get us into the bottom six with a shot at a top three pick while adding more picks and young talent.

It would end any pursuit of a major free agent or a trade for a star in the next two years and probably push our playoff drought to 8 years at least.

Not sure I am there yet but I am close.

I'm pretty sure right now we are already in the bottom six. We don't have to trade anyone to get there.

AtheJ415 · Post #1859 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:06 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Sarver wants to win now.

Well it isn't going to happen. Not this year. Not unless we make a coaching change and see a huge turnaround. We're now 3.5 back of Utah and they own the tiebreaker. We aren't going to catch Houston assuming their turnaround is legit.

Barkley_34 · Post #1860 » by **Barkley_34** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:08 am

I like the ideia of Jimmy, but we need post presence! urgent