Potential Trade Thread

[bwgood77]

What does everyone think about trading Chandler? I'm somewhat on the fence, but moving closer to wanting him moved.

I'm down for it. I think he does help in terms of leadership but I already had reservations when we signed him. He's helped us earlier in the season defensively but now that things have settled down a little bit around the NBA, we're no better than average defensively and his veteran leadership doesn't really shine through. He's not overly expensive but I don't like the idea of an ageing C in our books for another 3 seasons after this one. That's not mentioning he's seen a drop in production across the board (48FG% vs 59FG% career).

I would've loved to have him on board had we picked up LMA but since we lost our bid for LMA, I've felt Tyson was sort of in no man's land.

Yeah, a guy like Chandler is going to mentally check out if the bright future we sold him falls VERY VERY short. I just don't know if he is tradeable...at least not yet.

[jredsaz]

Fivethirtyeight.com projected team wins for the season using their CARMELO tool.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Suns are projected to have the eight worst record in the league and only have a 26% chance to make the playoffs. We are essentially the last of the playoffs pretenders.

Trading Bledsoe, Tucker, Kieff, and Teletovic could get us into the bottom six with a shot at a top three pick while adding more picks and young talent.

It would end any pursuit of a major free agent or a trade for a star in the next two years and probably push our playoff drought to 8 years at least.

Not sure I am there yet but I am close.

I'm pretty sure right now we are already in the bottom six. We don't have to trade anyone to get there.

9th worst in the NBA but getting worse seemingly every start!

[bwgood77]

Fivethirtyeight.com projected team wins for the season using their CARMELO tool.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Suns are projected to have the eight worst record in the league and only have a 26% chance to make the playoffs. We are essentially the last of the playoffs pretenders.

Trading Bledsoe, Tucker, Kieff, and Teletovic could get us into the bottom six with a shot at a top three pick while adding more picks and young talent.

It would end any pursuit of a major free agent or a trade for a star in the next two years and probably push our playoff drought to 8 years at least.

Not sure I am there yet but I am close.

I'm pretty sure right now we are already in the bottom six. We don't have to trade anyone to get there.

9th worst in the NBA but getting worse seemingly every start!

For tankers, one game out of the bottom 5.

http://www.tankathon.com/

[lilfishi22]

What does everyone think about trading Chandler? I'm somewhat on the fence, but moving closer to wanting him moved.

I'm down for it. I think he does help in terms of leadership but I already had reservations when we signed him. He's helped us earlier in the season defensively but now that things have settled down a little bit around the NBA, we're no better than average defensively and his veteran leadership doesn't really shine through. He's not overly expensive but I don't like the idea of an ageing C in our books for another 3 seasons after this one. That's not mentioning he's seen a drop in production across the board (48FG% vs 59FG% career).

I would've loved to have him on board had we picked up LMA but since we lost our bid for LMA, I've felt Tyson was sort of in no man's land.

Yeah, a guy like Chandler is going to mentally check out if the bright future we sold him falls VERY VERY short. I just don't know if he is tradeable...at least not yet.

I dunno if he'll check out mentally since I do believe he's a professional and he'll still give it 100%. I see him the same way some posters see PJ, a veteran player that should be on a contending team.

I agree though, I don't think he's tradeable yet and that's not considering the trade restrictions that may be in force.

[Qwigglez]

I like the ideia of Jimmy, but we need post presence! urgent

I know it's been mentioned before but if Dwight Howard opts out after this season the Rockets might be in a huge predicament. A scenario that is likely to occur is Dwight opts out, another team or two immediately offers D-Mo/T-Jones a huge contract and the Rockets are forced to match before making their own big splash in free agency. This leaves the Rockets will little room to operate in free agency. The flip side of the coin is they allow their players to walk, resign Dwight for more money and now they have the exact same roster as this year except they don't have D-Mo or T-Jones. So right now I feel like the Rockets are in a lose-lose situation and absolutely must trade Dwight in order to gain some assets back. They are in a fork in the road and it will be interesting to see which path they take.
No one is gonna take their mistake and take Lawson or Brewer off their hands. At least I hope not.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Sarver wants to win now.

Numbnuts shouldn't have sold off this team's first rounders when they actually WERE in a position to win.


I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that guys like Andre Iguodala and Rondo would have been at least....somewhat.....useful for them when they were trying to win a title. Once most of the guys acquired under Colangelo were gone, this team largely went off a cliff. I couldn't care less what he thinks or says, I'm just counting down the days until he gets bored waving his stupid foam finger and decides to sell the team, hopefully to a much better ownership.

[bwgood77]

I'm down for it. I think he does help in terms of leadership but I already had reservations when we signed him. He's helped us earlier in the season defensively but now that things have settled down a little bit around the NBA, we're no better than average defensively and his veteran leadership doesn't really shine through. He's not overly expensive but I don't like the idea of an ageing C in our books for another 3 seasons after this one. That's not mentioning he's seen a drop in production across the board (48FG% vs 59FG% career).

I would've loved to have him on board had we picked up LMA but since we lost our bid for LMA, I've felt Tyson was sort of in no man's land.

Yeah, a guy like Chandler is going to mentally check out if the bright future we sold him falls VERY VERY short. I just don't know if he is tradeable...at least not yet.

I dunno if he'll check out mentally since I do believe he's a professional and he'll still give it 100%. I see him the same way some posters see PJ, a veteran player that should be on a contending team.

I agree though, I don't think he's tradeable yet and that's not considering the trade restrictions that may be in force.

He doesn't seem that way, but I was thinking about when he was in NY, he seemed mentally checked out, and then back to Dallas, and he was better. I think most older players who feel like they can contribute to a winning team, have zero desire to play for a rebuilding or losing team. Guys like Tucker and Price don't have a choice, and need to take anything they can get. But a 7 footer previous DPOY likely feels much differently.

[bwgood77]

I like the ideia of Jimmy, but we need post presence! urgent

I know it's been mentioned before but if Dwight Howard opts out after this season the Rockets might be in a huge predicament. A scenario that is likely to occur is Dwight opts out, another team or two immediately offers D-Mo/T-Jones a huge contract and the Rockets are forced to match before making their own big splash in free agency. This leaves the Rockets will little room to operate in free agency. The flip side of the coin is they allow their players to walk, resign Dwight for more money and now they have the exact same roster as this year except they don't have D-Mo or T-Jones. So right now I feel like the Rockets are in a lose-lose situation and absolutely must trade Dwight in order to gain some assets back. They are in a fork in the road and it will be interesting to see which path they take.
No one is gonna take their mistake and take Lawson or Brewer off their hands. At least I hope not.

Can't they resign Howard (if he wanted to) and match both guys? I mean they would probably be way over the cap, but unless they don't have Howard's bird rights, then they could definitely keep everyone, but I imagine the owner would want to then unload one of the three at least to a team that could absorb more money coming in.

[Qwigglez]

I like the ideia of Jimmy, but we need post presence! urgent

I know it's been mentioned before but if Dwight Howard opts out after this season the Rockets might be in a huge predicament. A scenario that is likely to occur is Dwight opts out, another team or two immediately offers D-Mo/T-Jones a huge contract and the Rockets are forced to match before making their own big splash in free agency. This leaves the Rockets will little room to operate in free agency. The flip side of the coin is they allow their players to walk, resign Dwight for more money and now they have the exact same roster as this year except they don't have D-Mo or T-Jones. So right now I feel like the Rockets are in a lose-lose situation and absolutely must trade Dwight in order to gain some assets back. They are in a fork in the road and it will be interesting to see which path they take.
No one is gonna take their mistake and take Lawson or Brewer off their hands. At least I hope not.

Can't they resign Howard (if he wanted to) and match both guys? I mean they would probably be way over the cap, but unless they don't have Howard's bird rights, then they could definitely keep everyone, but I imagine the owner would want to then unload one of the three at least to a team that could absorb more money coming in.

I guess that is possible as well. I just don't see Howard sticking with Houston if nothing changes and when he is only getting 8-9 shots a game.

[AtheJ415]

Houston is near the hard cap right now with all 3 of those guys making less than what they will make next year. I don't think the cap will rise more than those 3 players' combined salaries. I think they will try to get a star in FA and keep DMo. I don't see a feasible scenario where they could keep all 3. It seems to me that they'll move Jones. The problem is Morey is not a good drafter with 1st rounders. Both those guys are 2 of the few who have worked out. So it's not really a given that they will successfully draft a replacement there.

[bwgood77]

Houston is near the hard cap right now with all 3 of those guys making less than what they will make next year. I don't think the cap will rise more than those 3 players' combined salaries. I think they will try to get a star in FA and keep DMo. I don't see a feasible scenario where they could keep all 3. It seems to me that they'll move Jones. The problem is Morey is not a good drafter with 1st rounders. Both those guys are 2 of the few who have worked out. So it's not really a given that they will successfully draft a replacement there.

I guess I didn't even realize there was a hard cap.

[AtheJ415]

Houston is near the hard cap right now with all 3 of those guys making less than what they will make next year. I don't think the cap will rise more than those 3 players' combined salaries. I think they will try to get a star in FA and keep DMo. I don't see a feasible scenario where they could keep all 3. It seems to me that they'll move Jones. The problem is Morey is not a good drafter with 1st rounders. Both those guys are 2 of the few who have worked out. So it's not really a given that they will successfully draft a replacement there.

I guess I didn't even realize there was a hard cap.

There is. I'm not sure the scenarios in which it kicks in (maybe after using exceptions a number of years in a row and being above the apron), but I know they are hard capped, which is why it's so difficult to trade with them without salaries matching exactly. They have only like 15K in wiggle room or something like that. It's the result of the Harrell signing. There is just no feasible way they could keep DMo, Jones, and Dwight unless all 3 of them took huge discounts. They will lose at least 1 of them.

[AtheJ415]

I know it's been mentioned before but if Dwight Howard opts out after this season the Rockets might be in a huge predicament. A scenario that is likely to occur is Dwight opts out, another team or two immediately offers D-Mo/T-Jones a huge contract and the Rockets are forced to match before making their own big splash in free agency. This leaves the Rockets will little room to operate in free agency. The flip side of the coin is they allow their players to walk, resign Dwight for more money and now they have the exact same roster as this year except they don't have D-Mo or T-Jones. So right now I feel like the Rockets are in a lose-lose situation and absolutely must trade Dwight in order to gain some assets back. They are in a fork in the road and it will be interesting to see which path they take.
No one is gonna take their mistake and take Lawson or Brewer off their hands. At least I hope not.

Can't they resign Howard (if he wanted to) and match both guys? I mean they would probably be way over the cap, but unless they don't have Howard's bird rights, then they could definitely keep everyone, but I imagine the owner would want to then unload one of the three at least to a team that could absorb more money coming in.

I guess that is possible as well. I just don't see Howard sticking with Houston if nothing changes and when he is only getting 8-9 shots a game.

From the other side, I'm not sure Houston sticks with Howard. That team isn't winning a title as currently constructed unless it suddenly returns to last year's form, and the only real solution is a new 2nd star, because they can't add a 3rd and I don't see where the role player upgrades would come from. Absent KJ McDaniels, DMo, or Terrence Jones becoming full blown 3rd stars, it just doesn't look promising. Houston will have to go through a mini-rebuild, and Morey tends to bank on pu pu platter trades or FA to do that. Dwight's the only real way to get the cap space to acquire a new 2nd star.

[TeamTragic]

The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

Like that

Trade Knight for Butler? I'm laughing insanely over here. People are looking at me with concern. This team

[Qwigglez]

From the other side, I'm not sure Houston sticks with Howard. That team isn't winning a title as currently constructed unless it suddenly returns to last year's form, and the only real solution is a new 2nd star, because they can't add a 3rd and I don't see where the role player upgrades would come from. Absent KJ McDaniels, DMo, or Terrence Jones becoming full blown 3rd stars, it just doesn't look promising. Houston will have to go through a mini-rebuild, and Morey tends to bank on pu pu platter trades or FA to do that. Dwight's the only real way to get the cap space to acquire a new 2nd star.

Exactly my point as well. They are better off trading Dwight now even if it results in a not so great of a record this year.

[AtheJ415]

The Bulls are having some issues and Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Hoiberg's coaching. Any chance the Suns can fire Hornacek, hire Thibodeau, and trade Knight for Butler? Okay I know it is a long shot but I am allowed to be creative here right.

Like that

Trade Knight for Butler? I'm laughing insanely over here. People are looking at me with concern. This team

The Bulls would fire Hoiberg before moving Butler imo. 2 way stars are rare.

[TeamTragic]

Pacers can use Chandler...

for Turner and an expiring?

they can have Tucker for steak knives.

Wait......hold on. What kind of steak knives?

[jredsaz]

Like that

Trade Knight for Butler? I'm laughing insanely over here. People are looking at me with concern. This team

The Bulls would fire Hoiberg before moving Butler imo. 2 way stars are rare.

The President of Basketball OPS and the GM (John Paxton and Gar Forman) are very close to Hoiberg. They will work this to make the relationship work but if push came to shove and they got a good offer I think they will lean toward Hoiberg.

[AtheJ415]

I'm just curious for all those still on the "Keep Hornacek, trade everyone" bandwagon, is there a single time in NBA history where a team sucked, got rid of all the players, and then thrived under the same coach?

[wheezy]

For tankers, one game out of the bottom 5.

http://www.tankathon.com/

With a little luck we could even snag Ben Simmons.