Potential Trade Thread

TeamTragic · Post #1881 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:33 am

Can you imagine if Boston gets the #1 pick from Brooklyn? :lol:

toucansma · Post #1882 » by **toucansma** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:48 am

Hi everybody (Dr. Nick voice), I have been away for awhile. Hope everyone is well! I don't really post pie in the sky trades, but watching the Suns when I have a few minutes is like :banghead:

. Here is a blow it up trade with short contracts.

PHO Out: Kieff, Chandler, Bledsoe, Tucker
PHO In: Lawson, Deng,Whiteside, T. Jones, 2016 2nd Rounder HOU (via NYK), 2018 Miami Second Round Pick

HOU Out: D. Howard, T. Jones, Dekker, Lawson, 1st Rounder 2016, 2016 2nd Round (via NYK)
HOU In: Bosh, Bledsoe, Chandler

MIA Out: Bosh, Deng, Whiteside, 2nd Rounder 2018
MIA In: D. Howard, Kieff, Tucker, Dekker, 1st Rounder 2016 (HOU)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h5mckoy

Phoenix Why: It's not working right now, so cash in while you can. Losing Bledsoe hurts, but picking up a young talent like Whiteside would be awesome. Imagine 48 mins of Whiteside and Len alternating (sometimes together) with shooters. Lawson looks horrible right now, but I think its Harden and the offensive system. Lawson can be that setup man PHO has been missing for all these years (either under Jeff or a new coach). Knight must be a full SG in this situation, no more PG duties alongside Lawson. If Lawson doesn't work out, buy him out next year. Deng is a throw in some ways, and T. Jones may work out great with a pass first PG.
Phoenix lineup: Whiteside, T. Jones, Warren, Knight, Lawson.

Hou: At an impasse with Howard. May lose him for nothing. They go all in. They get a great talent, Bledsoe, that can work with Harden. Bosh goes back home to Texas and solidifies their front line. Chandler either thrives or is a salary throw in. Houston would be good short term until Bosh/Chandler became salary drags in a few years.

Mia: They are losing Whiteside. Bosh is getting old and not like he once was. They get Dwight Howard who loves Florida and needs to get away from Harden. Kieff with new scenery and Dragic connection would do well for them. Tucker is a bit of a throw in to make up for Deng. Dekker and 1st rounder for young talent.

Yeah I know its a fantasy trade, but I figured I might as well throw one up. :nod:

LukasBMW · Post #1883 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:54 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oap6y2y

thamadkant · Post #1884 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:04 am

Nets will/should make moves to get pick(s) for 2016 draft.... could dump Lopez, Young, Johnson etc. for pick(s) as they rebuild and aim for free agents next season.

sunskerr · Post #1885 » by **sunskerr** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:48 am

Len's stretch of games without Chandler has me thinking that the Chandler acquisition has either worked but overstayed its welcome or isn't worth the money. I mean, it's ok to miss the playoffs even if you have the 14th pick. But your team damn well better be starting young players or you're wasting time. This isn't a pro-tank post by any means, but it just feels like wasted time giving Chandler these minutes when clearly we aren't cut out for the playoffs (again).

Surely some team must have use for some combination of (or all three of) Chandler, Morris and Tucker, right?

thamadkant · Post #1886 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:54 am

What SHOULD happen from now until trade deadline (IMO).

Suns / Grizzlies

Suns OUT (Grizzlies IN): Morris (PF, 6'10, 4 years 8 million a year) + Weems (SF, 6'7, 2 years 2.8 million a year)
Grizzlies OUT (Suns IN): Jeff Green (SF, 6'9, 1 Year 9.2 million a year) + 2018 First Round pick

Why for Grizzlies? Adds another scorer to the support Gasol and Randolph front court. Adds Weems as another shooter/wing.
Why for Suns?.... Expiring contract for 2016, adds another future pick.

I'm not a fan of Jeff Green, but getting an expiring and potentially (if he performs) depth player and another future pick might be the best option for Suns, rather than take on long contracts from other teams.

Suns / Celtics

Suns OUT (Celtics IN): Chandler (C, 7'1, 4 years, 13 million a year)
Celtics OUT (Suns IN): David Lee (PF, 6'9, 1 year 15 million a year) + Celtics 2016 First round pick lottery protected

Why for Celtics? They get their big man in the middle to help them push for the playoffs... they can then try to lure a big FA in the offseason with their young but competitive playoff team.
Why for Suns? They get another expiring and another pick, Len has played well with minutes, so this saves Suns money and helps develop their young big man.

Go for broke for Len, get him 30+ minutes a game and expedite his development. Suns stock piling picks, McD helps Ainge battle for playoffs.

Now... in relation to McD's recent radio statement of cashing in assets...

Suns / 76ers / Kings

Kings
IN: Noel (PF, 6'10, 3 years 4 million a year) + TJ Warren (SF, 6'8, 3 years, 2 million per year), *Heat 2019 First round pick, Suns 2016 top 7 protected pick, Suns 2019 lottery protected pick + Teletovic (6'9, 1 year, 5 million per year

OUT: Cousins (C/PF, 6'11, 3 years, 16 million per year)

76ers
IN: Knight (PG/SG, 6'3, 5 years, 15 million a year)

OUT: Noel (PF, 6'10, 3 years 4 million a year)

Suns
In: Cousins (C/PF, 6'11, 3 years, 16 million per year)

OUT: Knight (PG/SG, 6'3, 5 years, 15 million a year) + TJ Warren (SF, 6'8, 3 years, 2 million per year), *Heat 2019 First round pick, Suns 2016 top 7 protected pick, Suns 2019 lottery protected pick + Teletovic (6'9, 1 year, 5 million per year)

Why for Kings?... they want to run?... they run. Uptempo team with Gay, Noel, Rondo, Warren, Mclemore, Teletovic, Stein etc.
Why for 76ers?.... New era... Colangelo/D'Antoni/Brown gets their PG in Knight... eases the log jam of big men... they can move Okafor to PF when Embiid comes back. Their chances for Simmons ISNT affected since they've only won 1 game.

Why for Suns?.... they cash in some assets...get their star next to Bledsoe, they implement a new system.

Suns New line up
C: Len / Leuer
PF: Cousins / Lee
SF: Green / Tucker
SG: Booker / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Price

With 23 million dollars expiring in 2016.... they have their 1st and 2nd option stars. They also pick up new picks after giving up their previously owned picks.

thamadkant · Post #1887 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:58 am

sunskerr wrote:Len's stretch of games without Chandler has me thinking that the Chandler acquisition has either worked but overstayed its welcome or isn't worth the money. I mean, it's ok to miss the playoffs even if you have the 14th pick. But your team damn well better be starting young players or you're wasting time. This isn't a pro-tank post by any means, but it just feels like wasted time giving Chandler these minutes when clearly we aren't cut out for the playoffs (again).

Surely some team must have use for some combination of (or all three of) Chandler, Morris and Tucker, right?

Yup, I wouldnt be surprised if Chandler gets packaged out to a playoff team... I'm sure he rather that than take his chances in Phoenix, where he isnt being utilized and the team is losing a lot.

Post #1888 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:57 am

wheezy wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
For tankers, one game out of the bottom 5.

http://www.tankathon.com/

With a little luck we could even snag Ben Simmons.

That would be about the perfect scenario. #1 pick and knowing we didn't give up a very high pick this year to Philly. And of course Philly dropping three spots.

Post #1889 » by **TASTIC** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:18 pm

Tell you what, I heard it mentioned on a podcast yesterday - I'm going to be PISSED if the Heat somehow end up with Cousins.

Would be a classic Riley move that's for sure. Actually quite easy deal for them to make AND they get out of having to pay headcase Whiteside...

Deng, Birdman, Winslow, Whiteside
for
Cousins, Caron

sunsbum · Post #1890 » by **sunsbum** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:49 pm

SkinnyOMiller wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Sarver wants to win now.

Numbnuts shouldn't have sold off this team's first rounders when they actually WERE in a position to win.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that guys like Andre Iguodala and Rondo would have been at least....somewhat.....useful for them when they were trying to win a title. Once most of the guys acquired under Colangelo were gone, this team largely went off a cliff. I couldn't care less what he thinks or says, I'm just counting down the days until he gets bored waving his stupid foam finger and decides to sell the team, hopefully to a much better ownership.

Seriously? You're still bitching about draft picks ten years later that would do nothing for this team right now?

RunDogGun · Post #1891 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:33 pm

TASTIC wrote:Tell you what, I heard it mentioned on a podcast yesterday - I'm going to be PISSED if the Heat somehow end up with Cousins.

Would be a classic Riley move that's for sure. Actually quite easy deal for them to make AND they get out of having to pay headcase Whiteside...

Deng, Birdman, Winslow, Whiteside
for
Cousins, Caron

I don't think that is enough to get Cousins. They would have to throw in some picks, and they don't have any to do that with.

Revived · Post #1892 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:42 pm

TASTIC wrote:Tell you what, I heard it mentioned on a podcast yesterday - I'm going to be PISSED if the Heat somehow end up with Cousins.

Would be a classic Riley move that's for sure. Actually quite easy deal for them to make AND they get out of having to pay headcase Whiteside...

Deng, Birdman, Winslow, Whiteside
for
Cousins, Caron

Kings have no reason to trade for Whiteside when he can walk at the end of the year and Kings don't even have his bird rights.

Whiteside has zero trade value right now because of his contract status.

And Deng and Birdman have about as much trade value as Kieff does.

Winslow is an interesting prospect but no way that's close enough to net someone like Cousins.

Post #1893 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:06 pm

LukasBMW wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oap6y2y

Talk about a four-team trade that benefits all teams, you've definitely nailed it. I'm assuming we also get a draft pick from one of those teams in there as well. :nod:

TeamTragic · Post #1894 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:55 pm

TASTIC wrote:Tell you what, I heard it mentioned on a podcast yesterday - I'm going to be PISSED if the Heat somehow end up with Cousins.

Would be a classic Riley move that's for sure. Actually quite easy deal for them to make AND they get out of having to pay headcase Whiteside...

Deng, Birdman, Winslow, Whiteside
for
Cousins, Caron

You misjudge how much Cousins is worth. Even if we offered half our team and multiple picks it might still not be considered by the Kings FO.

Damkac · Post #1895 » by **Damkac** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:28 pm

Suns rebuilds with 2 young big men and tons of cap space in the summer:

PHO gives: Chandler, Morris
PHO gets: David Lee, Jones, Sullinger*
*or Olynyk or Zeller

HOU gives: Howard, Jones
HOU gets: Chandler, Morris, Smart

BOS gives: David Lee, Sullinger*, Smart
BOS gets: Howard

What do you think? Not sure if the values are equal

Revived · Post #1896 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:37 pm

Boston would never trade Marcus Smart for a trash and washed up Dwight Howard.

Damkac · Post #1897 » by **Damkac** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:47 pm

So mayby Bradley instead? Hard to know players value when you don't follow their teams :-?

Post #1898 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:21 pm

Suns in-
Niko Mirotic
Kirk Hinrich

Bulls in-
Markieff Morris
Archie Goodwin

Aside from having a good 1st three games of the season, Mirotic has been very inconsistent and has shot a terrible 39% from the field this year. Bulls fans have cooled off on him and I think his value is probably pretty low right now. I'm not sure why I want him when we have Mirza/Leuer but at least his contract is good for another season while Mirza/Leuer both are free agents this offseason.

Cutter · Post #1899 » by **Cutter** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:23 pm

Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.

toucansma · Post #1900 » by **toucansma** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:54 pm

Cutter wrote:Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.

Who are their "young" players in this scenario? Booker, Len, and Warren?