The Case for Trading Eric Bledsoe

Revived · Post #41 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:12 pm

It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

Post #42 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:32 pm

SF88 wrote:It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

They may want him if Rondo doesn't stay in the offseason, but I'm not sure what we would possibly want from them in return unless it was a ton of picks. With Sarver the captain of Titanic, I don't think he necessarily wants more draft picks at this time.

Revived · Post #43 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:03 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

They may want him if Rondo doesn't stay in the offseason, but I'm not sure what we would possibly want from them in return unless it was a ton of picks. With Sarver the captain of Titanic, I don't think he necessarily wants more draft picks at this time.

Maybe Cousins? I know many people think it would be counter productive to get Cousins without Bledsoe but I still think we can build around Cousins even without Bledsoe especially if we get a coach like Callipari to replace Hornacek because of Cal and Cousins close relationship.

Post #44 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:08 pm

SF88 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

They may want him if Rondo doesn't stay in the offseason, but I'm not sure what we would possibly want from them in return unless it was a ton of picks. With Sarver the captain of Titanic, I don't think he necessarily wants more draft picks at this time.

Maybe Cousins? I know many people think it would be counter productive to get Cousins without Bledsoe but I still think we can build around Cousins even without Bledsoe especially if we get a coach like Callipari to replace Hornacek because of Cal and Cousins close relationship.

I don't think Cousins would WANT to leave if Bledsoe was there. But it would definitely have to be like Bledsoe, Len, maybe Warren and a pick or two even if they did want to trade him for a deal centering on Bledsoe.

Revived · Post #45 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
They may want him if Rondo doesn't stay in the offseason, but I'm not sure what we would possibly want from them in return unless it was a ton of picks. With Sarver the captain of Titanic, I don't think he necessarily wants more draft picks at this time.

Maybe Cousins? I know many people think it would be counter productive to get Cousins without Bledsoe but I still think we can build around Cousins even without Bledsoe especially if we get a coach like Callipari to replace Hornacek because of Cal and Cousins close relationship.

I don't think Cousins would WANT to leave if Bledsoe was there. But it would definitely have to be like Bledsoe, Len, maybe Warren and a pick or two even if they did want to trade him for a deal centering on Bledsoe.

Yea Cousins wouldn't want to leave but too bad for him, he has to be traded in return for Bledsoe.

I don't think he'd mind though if he gets to play for Callipari again.

Yea a deal would probably have to be Bledsoe, Len, Tucker and those Heat picks plus that worthless Cavs pick as a throw in. I don't think we'd have to give up Warren or Booker too since we're already giving up Bledsoe and Len and unprotected Heat picks.

Post #46 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:15 pm

SF88 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Maybe Cousins? I know many people think it would be counter productive to get Cousins without Bledsoe but I still think we can build around Cousins even without Bledsoe especially if we get a coach like Callipari to replace Hornacek because of Cal and Cousins close relationship.

I don't think Cousins would WANT to leave if Bledsoe was there. But it would definitely have to be like Bledsoe, Len, maybe Warren and a pick or two even if they did want to trade him for a deal centering on Bledsoe.

Yea Cousins wouldn't want to leave but too bad for him, he has to be traded in return for Bledsoe.

I don't think he'd mind though if he gets to play for Callipari again.

Yea a deal would probably have to be Bledsoe, Len, Tucker and those Heat picks plus that worthless Cavs pick as a throw in. I don't think we'd have to give up Warren or Booker too since we're already giving up Bledsoe and Len and unprotected Heat picks.

Well, I doubt Calipari leaves his $8 million per year (base) to come to the NBA for a far worse job and likely a lot less money.

Post #47 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:49 pm

SF88 wrote:Very well said. I hated the Knight trade as well. I would have been fine trading Dragic and IT and stopping at that instead of trading away our most valued asset that Lakers pick. Knight has always been a player that puts up good numbers but it doesn't contribute much to winning which is why the fans of every team he's been on has hated him and rejoiced when he left despite his young age and potential and all that.

I wasn't a fan of Knight before he was traded so when I heard we gave up Ennis and that Laker pick (which I knew was our ticket to a top 5 pick) for him, I was confused and a little pissed off. Granted he has played up close to his All-star calibre half season with the Bucks which is the minimum we were hoping for. I'm not saying he's a bad player or that he's overpaid, I just don't think he's making enough of an impact. He's still young and still has potential but I didn't feel like this was the move for us at the time.

Post #48 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:53 pm

SF88 wrote:It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

I'm really surprised they are actually doing OK (relatively). Not good but it isn't the disaster I was hoping the Boogie/Rondo/Karl trio would become.

Post #49 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:26 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
SF88 wrote:It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

I'm really surprised they are actually doing OK (relatively). Not good but it isn't the disaster I was hoping the Boogie/Rondo/Karl trio would become.

Well they are doing about exactly the same as us, and we are a disaster are we not? Though I guess Vegas had our over/under at 36.5 (and we are now projected to win 35 by BPI) and Sacramento had an over/under of 30.5 and is projected to win 34, so I guess you are right, relatively speaking.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13772067/nba-westgate-las-vegas-superbook-releases-2015-16-season-win-totals

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds

Funny thing is in a poll someone ran for Western Conf Outlook I picked 36-40 due to our failed offseason and even though we are still projected to be close to that (and things have gone just about as bad as they could it seems) it just feels much worse than that since we've been in almost every single game and just failed down the stretch in many of them. Until these GS and UTA meltdowns (which you can understand somewhat because of just how good the Warriors are and starting first and second years guys for pretty much the first time together on the 2nd night of a b2b in UTA).

Post #50 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:02 am

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
SF88 wrote:It's a shame Rondo is playing so well for the Kings or else they could have potentially be interested in a trade for Bledsoe...

I'm really surprised they are actually doing OK (relatively). Not good but it isn't the disaster I was hoping the Boogie/Rondo/Karl trio would become.

Well they are doing about exactly the same as us, and we are a disaster are we not? Though I guess Vegas had our over/under at 36.5 (and we are now projected to win 35 by BPI) and Sacramento had an over/under of 30.5 and is projected to win 34, so I guess you are right, relatively speaking.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13772067/nba-westgate-las-vegas-superbook-releases-2015-16-season-win-totals

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds

Funny thing is in a poll someone ran for Western Conf Outlook I picked 36-40 due to our failed offseason and even though we are still projected to be close to that (and things have gone just about as bad as they could it seems) it just feels much worse than that since we've been in almost every single game and just failed down the stretch in many of them. Until these GS and UTA meltdowns (which you can understand somewhat because of just how good the Warriors are and starting first and second years guys for pretty much the first time together on the 2nd night of a b2b in UTA).

It's all about expectations. Unlike the Kings, there's always high expectations for the Suns because of our history and winning culture. So for us, I'd say it's been a disaster but for the Kings, they are basically who we thought they were, to quote Mark Cuban.

Damkac · Post #51 » by **Damkac** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:09 am

Suns are also who they are since many years

nevetsov · Post #52 » by **nevetsov** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:51 am

Bled is solid, he is one of the few guys who brings it every night. The problem is, he's a top flight complementary star - he needs another high usage guy alongside him (Dragic, BK etc.) so that defenses don't just zone in on him. Outside of BK, there's no one else on this team just yet (Alex has shown flashes while starting) who commands that type of attention offensively.

This is something you could probably say about most guys in the "star" tier of talent too - Irving, Wall, Lillard etc. Hard to tell though as they all play alongside other stars.

If we ever get that other high end star player, I think we'll see Bled become more consistent and efficient.

Post #53 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:58 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'm really surprised they are actually doing OK (relatively). Not good but it isn't the disaster I was hoping the Boogie/Rondo/Karl trio would become.

Well they are doing about exactly the same as us, and we are a disaster are we not? Though I guess Vegas had our over/under at 36.5 (and we are now projected to win 35 by BPI) and Sacramento had an over/under of 30.5 and is projected to win 34, so I guess you are right, relatively speaking.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13772067/nba-westgate-las-vegas-superbook-releases-2015-16-season-win-totals

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds

Funny thing is in a poll someone ran for Western Conf Outlook I picked 36-40 due to our failed offseason and even though we are still projected to be close to that (and things have gone just about as bad as they could it seems) it just feels much worse than that since we've been in almost every single game and just failed down the stretch in many of them. Until these GS and UTA meltdowns (which you can understand somewhat because of just how good the Warriors are and starting first and second years guys for pretty much the first time together on the 2nd night of a b2b in UTA).

It's all about expectations. Unlike the Kings, there's always high expectations for the Suns because of our history and winning culture. So for us, I'd say it's been a disaster but for the Kings, they are basically who we thought they were, to quote Mark Cuban.

I don't remember Mark Cuban saying that, but I do remember this...[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w[/youtube]

Post #54 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:11 am

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Well they are doing about exactly the same as us, and we are a disaster are we not? Though I guess Vegas had our over/under at 36.5 (and we are now projected to win 35 by BPI) and Sacramento had an over/under of 30.5 and is projected to win 34, so I guess you are right, relatively speaking.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13772067/nba-westgate-las-vegas-superbook-releases-2015-16-season-win-totals

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds

Funny thing is in a poll someone ran for Western Conf Outlook I picked 36-40 due to our failed offseason and even though we are still projected to be close to that (and things have gone just about as bad as they could it seems) it just feels much worse than that since we've been in almost every single game and just failed down the stretch in many of them. Until these GS and UTA meltdowns (which you can understand somewhat because of just how good the Warriors are and starting first and second years guys for pretty much the first time together on the 2nd night of a b2b in UTA).

It's all about expectations. Unlike the Kings, there's always high expectations for the Suns because of our history and winning culture. So for us, I'd say it's been a disaster but for the Kings, they are basically who we thought they were, to quote Mark Cuban.

I don't remember Mark Cuban saying that, but I do remember this...[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w[/youtube]

haha Cuban's quote was much more recent and was in reference to the Clips. But this classic is always good for a laugh

Post #55 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:21 am

lilfishi22 wrote:haha Cuban's quote was much more recent and was in reference to the Clips. But this classic is always good for a laugh

Though this one may apply more to us this year...maybe not the excusing the defense part, but the talk about turnovers to the very end when they ask him about playoffs. This could be Hornacek.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oSFYxDGKy8#t=13[/youtube]

Post #56 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:23 am

I know nothing about the NFL but I do wish Hornacek had that kind of personality to light a fire under our player's @$$.

Chi town · Post #57 » by **Chi town** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:49 am

Bulls would send Niko and Sac pick for Knight.

Btw. Love booker. Think he's the next Klay.

Post #58 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:20 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I know nothing about the NFL but I do wish Hornacek had that kind of personality to light a fire under our player's @$$.

The funny thing is Peyton Manning (the star qb who threw 4 interceptions) got interviewed later and asked about that interview and said "You're damn right I heard that" and not long after that the coach was fired. He was a good experienced coach too.

I think calling players out in THAT EXCESSIVE of a matter publicly will DEFINITELY lose them...Horny has already done it in the press to some extent and people have been surprised that he would even do so in press. You just very rarely see it.

I do think Horny is low key and rarely shows emotion, but that can also be good, because if you do so too much, it ends up eventually being tuned out (Scott Skiles, ex Suns coach got tuned out after yelling for too long). But if you rarely show emotion or get pissed, when YOU DO get pissed, it REALLY is effective. I know from experience in my career managing people.

The BIGGEST problem with the nba in relation to like the nfl, is guaranteed contracts. That makes it tough to control much of anything. In the NFL you can just let a guy go if you want and that's it...sometimes they have guaranteed bonuses written in, but that's it.

Post #59 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:46 am

We definitely don't want a coach who just blasts his players at every opportunity but it's good to have that fire from your coach.

Revived · Post #60 » by **Revived** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:52 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I know nothing about the NFL but I do wish Hornacek had that kind of personality to light a fire under our player's @$$.

I wouldn't mind if he had the personality of Bruce Arians, the Arizona Cardinals head coach either.