GT: Hornets vs Celtics Wed Dec 23 7PM EST

[tmonk]

That formula of starters deficit going to Kemba bringing them back some and then bench catching up and getting a lead isn't working anymore. Plus, the bench guys are now coming in earlier and as a unit, they didn't get that organized nor were they a unit for that long. The starting lineup needs to run new plays or someone has to go to the bench in it. Or both.

It makes some sense for me now..

[JDR720]

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[Tracymcgoaty]

Hey BB, chill with the Kemba hate. He did not have the monopoly on suckiness this game.

+1

Yeah seriously now the team as a whole was awful from the start cant blame one player for that...

[leeramundo]

So I missed this game entirely, the hell happened this time?

[cw3k]

Batum should not be the primary ball handlers.

[TinmanZBoy]

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[qiantom]

If PJ and Marvin keep slumping like this, Clifford probably needs to do something about it. You cannot have two guys in the starting lineup that do not need to be guarded.

[tmonk]

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Personal biases that result in the bashing of other players, the coach, the system or anything else, for the sole purpose of making your favorite player look better is not acceptable.

Hope this will work for lin haters too.

[bigbob]

Hey BB, chill with the Kemba hate. He did not have the monopoly on suckiness this game.

yep, keep telling yourself that. Thing is..if kemba was a bit taller then I could accept having him on the court for some defense. Unfortunately he is a frodo baggins on the defense, and his biggest upside, his offense, when that isn't falling either then the hornets are just comitting suicide by having him on the court. This is exactly what happened not only today but the last few games, he bricked up way too many shots that might have gone in if somebody else played instead, ie maybe lamb. Batuum also played poorly, but the reason for that is BECAUSE of kemba. Kemba playing isos, and passing poor shot after poor shot to batuum in the last few seconds of each possession, what exactly he supposed to do but jack up shots as well?? Batuum plays much better with the second unit than the first unit, and that itself is a big tell by itself. Lin sucked today, but he had a better game than kemba. We might have scraped a win out of this if we played the 2nd unit plus batuum and benched kemba whole game.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Hey BB, chill with the Kemba hate. He did not have the monopoly on suckiness this game.

yep, keep telling yourself that. Thing is..if kemba was a bit taller then I could accept having him on the court for some defense. Unfortunately he is a frodo baggins on the defense, and his biggest upside, his offense, when that isn't falling either then the hornets are just comitting suicide by having him on the court. This is exactly what happened not only today but the last few games, he bricked up way too many shots that might have gone in if somebody else played instead, ie maybe lamb. Batuum also played poorly, but the reason for that is BECAUSE of kemba. Kemba playing isos, and passing poor shot after poor shot to batuum in the last few seconds of each possession, what exactly he supposed to do but jack up shots as well?? Batuum plays much better with the second unit than the first unit, and that itself is a big tell by itself. Lin sucked today, but he had a better game than kemba. We might have scraped a win out of this if we played the 2nd unit plus batuum and benched kemba whole game.

In all Honesty Boston is Just a more Solid team great at defense and good at offense they can vary between inside and outside. hornets on the other side live and die by the three... Thats the problem here there is no plan B if A does not work so no Kemba was not the sole purpose of the team losing...The teams lack of hitting open threes and having a plan B if you miss the open 3s are the problem.

[DY_nasty]

neither of them have been having a good game but saying kemba has been anything but ASS tonight is complete BS.

Lin wasn't getting guarded by Avery Bradley. He was just being his typical bipolar self and him driving into the middle of Boston's D all night with zero plan was just dumb. I like Lin. But he only knows how to play one way and for the fist 3 quarters of the game he was playing bad all by himself.

Everyone can tell that you don't like Lin. Lin had a bad night for his shooting, but he indeed had solid defense, and 8 rebounds.

will the regulars please tell this guy i was the very first frequent poster here to say that lin had an opportunity to steal kemba's job this year?

get those emotions out breh lol

[bws94]

Tracymcgoaty, I think Boston's weakness to exploit is the size of PG IT. When he has to play defense, that's the matchup to exploit. The matchup to try to stay away from is with Bradley. But they sure got a lot of second chance points and rebounds and 50/50 balls and such. They just looked hungrier and played better. It's not like they didn't turn it over but they played from a lead on the road and withstood our only one run. They also seem to sub well, it always seem there were bigs on the floor that caused us problems.

[bws94]

Lin wasn't getting guarded by Avery Bradley. He was just being his typical bipolar self and him driving into the middle of Boston's D all night with zero plan was just dumb. I like Lin. But he only knows how to play one way and for the fist 3 quarters of the game he was playing bad all by himself.

Everyone can tell that you don't like Lin. Lin had a bad night for his shooting, but he indeed had solid defense, and 8 rebounds.

will the regulars please tell this guy i was the very first frequent poster here to say that lin had an opportunity to steal kemba's job this year?

get those emotions out breh lol

It was a fair comment. Lin does force the issue and drive at all costs and then improvises. But sometimes there's nothing there. He's better off using the short game. His mid-range jumper was misfiring, he defaults to drive and hope for the best play. He was a little butterfingered too. Even his D tonight wasn't up to his standard that it's been for some nights.

I just think Cliff has to figure out plays for the Kemba/Batum/Lin trio. It can work and can be potent, but right now it's them defaulting to their worse habits trying to make things happen when their team is down.

[wincan459]

Judging only from the box score, it was a massively bad shooting night for the whole team aside from Frank.

[fatlever]

everyone be sure to read

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1419389#start_here

Personal biases that result in the bashing of other players, the coach, the system or anything else, for the sole purpose of making your favorite player look better is not acceptable.

Hope this will work for lin haters too.

I have yet to find a Lin hater on this board. That is certainly not a problem here.

[wincan459]

Why guys argue so much? No player is without faults and seldomly a game is lost or won because of one guy. Just try to appreciate their efforts and enjoy the game.

[Chuck Everett]

Great game for Kaminsky. Good to see. Hornets really need another weapon in the frontcourt though. Zeller and Marvin combining for 10 is a sure-fire way to lose. It's hard to keep winning strictly from the perimeter.

[fatlever]

Welp, this sucks. I cheated halfway thru the 3rd and checked the final score. No need to really watch the rest of the game. I guess I will put it on in the background.

Just an awful all-around performance from the tip.

Jefferson comes back next game. I never thought I would say this, but I hope he can inject some much needed life into this team right now.

The scouting report is out and teams are defending our shooters, switching everything and running off the 3pt line. Teams are also leaving PJ alone in hope the ball ends in his hands (perhaps why he has seen a recent bump in %s, because he is wide open most of the time he shoots.

We matchup horribly with the Celtics and I would be happy if we never face them again. We have not counter to their aggressive perimeter defense.

Starting to look more and more like our early season success with just an extended purple patch while the rest of the league figured out our new offense.

Not sure Cody and PJ can play exteded minutes together. Hard to have two guys who can't shoot on the floor together.

Marvin regressing badly to his norm.

Really not much positive to take away from this game other than Frank playing well. Speaking of Frank, how would you guys compare his game to Olynyk? Which player is better in which areas of the game?

[fatlever]

And people laughed when I wanted to trade for Bradley.

We just assumed you liked his calves.

Fantastic

[MasterIchiro]

If PJ and Marvin keep slumping like this, Clifford probably needs to do something about it. You cannot have two guys in the starting lineup that do not need to be guarded.

That's what it boils down to, 2 useless starters that have shrunk the space so Batum is even more turnover prone because he gets smothered and Kemba isn't getting set up to catch and shoot and has to do more creating, iso work and bailout shooting. Clifford restricted the minutes for both PJ and Marvin tonight but it shortens the bench when our depth used to cover our shallow talent and lack of a pure scorer who can stretch the floor but also get his own shot. Kemba played 41 minutes tonight. Batum was playing crazy minutes before he got sick. Lin is having to cover for PJ at SG and that is killing the energy level and his leadership of the second unit. Clifford hid those 2 turds for a while but scouting has caught up. Let PJ and Marvin launch away. Cheat off those guys, pressure Batum so he defers, let Kemba go iso with shrunken space, collapse on Lin in the paint and dare him to kick out to an open shooter.