Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18)

[TeamTragic]

Hornacek and his damn small ball is BULL$H1T.

Two 7 footers on the bench.... Under 20 minutes game time combined.

He is trying to do a Warriors except Warriors actually uses a defensive big center a lot.

Rubbish small ball. Leuer has played well but as a team small ball has been a failure for this team.

You need a big man to rebound and clean up misses.

I thought so too, but then I noticed Tyson got 1 board in 9 minutes...per 36 that equates to 4. Len actually got 2 in the same amount of time, so at least he could possibly pull down 8. Not good.

Do we know why Len has regressed since last season? He clearly appears confused about his role (thanks Jeff) and I get the feeling that he is not being challenged enough.

[Sunsss]

Way to go Ronnie!

This game will be remembered as Foye vs Price game.

[TeamTragic]

Bledsoe and Knight with 80 total minutes. Len? 9 minutes. 9 **** minutes.

[letsgosuns]

This is a low point in Suns history. Markieff throwing a towel at Hornacek? I said all offseason they should trade Markieff for whatever they could get or else he would try to destroy the season himself. It happened. No one should be shocked.

[Funky Tut]

This team just doesn't have the talent. It doesn't matter who is coach.

I agree, we just lack talent. Look, we have a couple nice pieces, but there are no stars on this team and our two main "stars" are disgustingly inconsistent every night.

[Cutter]

The concept that we need an **** type coach to chew players asses and scream at them is just dumb. That doesn't work, and is why most team don't employee that approach.

[TeamTragic]

The concept that we need an **** type coach to chew players asses and scream at them is just dumb. That doesn't work, and is why most team don't employee that approach.

Just bring in Thibs and the players will wish they had listened to Hornacek

[blacksun]

This team just doesn't have the talent. It doesn't matter who is coach.

Does this mean you dont think Horny shouldnt get fired?

[Puff]

This team just doesn't have the talent. It doesn't matter who is coach.

You could be correct.

However we probably got rid of the three most talented players off of last years squad (Goran, Green and IT) because Hornacek could not coach them.

Where do we go from here?

[TeamTragic]

This team just doesn't have the talent. It doesn't matter who is coach.

You could be correct.

However we probably got rid of the three most talented players off of last years squad (Goran, Green and IT) because Hornacek could not coach them.

Where do we go from here?

We should have kept IT however we still would have had to blow it up either way.

[batsmasher]

The only way to mask a lack of talent is with effort.

[saintEscaton]

The last 3 years have been such a colossal failure. A futile attempt at reinventing the wheel exhibited by our FO's brazen refusal to accept the inevitable process of naturally bottoming out. We were trying to be George Karl's Carmelo-less Nuggets but we didn't have the coachable players who buy into a system or a micromanaging disciplinarian who commands respect. We have no identity to speak of

[Puff]

This is a low point in Suns history. Markieff throwing a towel at Hornacek? I said all offseason they should trade Markieff for whatever they could get or else he would try to destroy the season himself. It happened. No one should be shocked.

I agree with you on Markieff. However I think our problems are far deeper than Markieff.

[Mulhollanddrive]

This is as bad as losing to any team including the 76ers.

They were without 3 starters, played 20 hours ago and lost to the 2nd worst team.

[bwgood77]

The concept that we need an **** type coach to chew players asses and scream at them is just dumb. That doesn't work, and is why most team don't employee that approach.

Yeah, Kerr is laid back too, as was D'Antoni and Gentry. Being a smart coach is the main thing you need, but like I think you or maybe someone else said before it comes down mostly to talent always. That lies with McD.

I expect Horny to be let go, but probably McD too when his contract is up.

If for some reason Horny stays, I would tell Markieff he is suspended and start Price over Bledsoe. Something has to motivate Bledsoe...please.

[letsgosuns]

This is a low point in Suns history. Markieff throwing a towel at Hornacek? I said all offseason they should trade Markieff for whatever they could get or else he would try to destroy the season himself. It happened. No one should be shocked.

I agree with you on Markieff. However I think our problems are far deeper than Markieff.

Oh absolutely. This has turned into one of the worst basketball teams in the league with or without Markieff. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt is a disaster. Chandler is making the Gugliotta signing look good. Hornacek has no clue what to do. A total meltdown of a once greatly run franchise. What a shame.

[Cutter]

This team just doesn't have the talent. It doesn't matter who is coach.

Does this mean you dont think Horny shouldnt get fired?

Personally I am neutral on Hornacek. He has the hand he has been dealt, and I think he has done just about as good as possible. The problem with the Suns is the lack of talent. Beldsoe and Knight are not a good tandem to lead a team. They are good individual talents but you can't build a successful team around them. I can't imagine another coach doing a better job with these players.

I think Hornacek will play out his contract, and somewhere towards the end of the season the Suns will announce they are not going to renew his contract and will begin the search to find new coach in the offseason.

[bwgood77]

The last 3 years have been such a colossal failure. A futile attempt at reinventing the wheel exhibited by our FO's brazen refusal to accept the inevitable process of naturally bottoming out. We were trying to be George Karl's Carmo-less Nuggets but we didn't have the coachable players who buy into a system or a micromanaging disciplinarian who commands respect. We have no identity to speak of

Agreed, but of course a micromanaging disciplinarian commanding respect always loses his team at some point too, so then you just end up in the same place, unless you quickly cut ties with him, but it mostly comes down to talent and effort.

[thamadkant]

Hornacek and his damn small ball is BULL$H1T.

Two 7 footers on the bench.... Under 20 minutes game time combined.

He is trying to do a Warriors except Warriors actually uses a defensive big center a lot.

Rubbish small ball. Leuer has played well but as a team small ball has been a failure for this team.

You need a big man to rebound and clean up misses.

I thought so too, but then I noticed Tyson got 1 board in 9 minutes...per 36 that equates to 4. Len actually got 2 in the same amount of time, so at least he could possibly pull down 8. Not good.

The suns are jacking up long shots off dribbles or when the big men are not in position to rebound. Watched the first 3 quarters and its frustrating for me and i can just imagine for Len or Chandler when the ball goes over their heads... Leuer and Tucker gets their rebounds not from the same position as the typical big men. Also no one boxes out to help the bigs rebound... Almost every team in the league has their forwards box out for their bigs... Suns dont do it enough.

[saintEscaton]

The last 3 years have been such a colossal failure. A futile attempt at reinventing the wheel exhibited by our FO's brazen refusal to accept the inevitable process of naturally bottoming out. We were trying to be George Karl's Carmo-less Nuggets but we didn't have the coachable players who buy into a system or a micromanaging disciplinarian who commands respect. We have no identity to speak of

Agreed, but of course a micromanaging disciplinarian commanding respect always loses his team at some point too, so then you just end up in the same place, unless you quickly cut ties with him, but it mostly comes down to talent and effort.

Yeah they are not very good managers of egos and are usually snakes who will throw a fit if they don't get their way. Defensive minded coaches like Thibs are also pigheadidly stubborn and its always an ugly divorce