Potential Trade Thread

Revived · Post #2001 » by **Revived** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:57 am

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thamadkant · Post #2002 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:20 am

Zach LaVine is showing real nice production and improvement. I think I would trade one of the Suns combo guard for him.

SideSwipe · Post #2003 » by **SideSwipe** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:45 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
The elephant in the room in that scenario imo has nothing to do with Bledsoe, and everything to do with whether or not adding arguably the worst jump shooter of all time in Rubio is somehow winning just because he gets more assists and therefore has a higher "basketball IQ", despite never playing on a winning team.

He is a horrible jump shooter, but denying his bbiq is warrantless, and if you think he has never played on a winning team you ought to read up on the Spanish National team and his role on it. You would be correct in saying that he never won in Minny, but the same could be said for KG except for two years out of 15. Keep some perspective there.

Your concerns are my concerns also, hence my potential suggestion of a killer three-guard lineup.

I didn't deny his basketball IQ, but if we're calling Spanish national teams, who have more raw talent than all but 1 or 2 national teams in the world, an example, then we might as well call half our team winners since they were so competitive at Kentucky.

Despite your attempt to refute the issue, you actually proved my point. When he is surrounded by talent he makes them better and they win. He is not a natural loser that doesn't know how to win as some players are. He knows how to win, but has had horrid talent surrounding him. And I am pretty sure you did want to question his "basketball IQ". :wink:

He is no amazing savior, but he has a "particular set of skills...." that I think might benefit the club. And yes, he is a horrible shooter. I think he is a player desperately in need of a different system and change of scenery and I think Minny might be ready to oblige with Lavine waiting in the wings.

TeamTragic · Post #2004 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:04 am

SF88 wrote:Man it would have been nice if the Suns could have been the team to trade for Dudley in the summer

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So much f***** better than Tucker and Leuer.

Are we seriously fantasizing about Dudley? Holy ****. We have officially reached a new low. Hold on for the ride everyone it will only get worse from here :noway:

letsgosuns · Post #2005 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:19 am

Serious idea and it works in the trade checker. Chandler and Markieff for Dwight Howard. I am not a Howard fan but he is an expiring contract so the Suns can get out of Chandler's and Markieff's contracts immediately with this move.

TeamTragic · Post #2006 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:21 am

letsgosuns wrote:Serious idea and it works in the trade checker. Chandler and Markieff for Dwight Howard. I am not a Howard fan but he is an expiring contract so the Suns can get out of Chandler's and Markieff's contracts immediately with this move.

Get it done McD. However I don't think Howard wants to be here right now :nonono:

Puff · Post #2007 » by **Puff** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:26 am

letsgosuns wrote:Serious idea and it works in the trade checker. Chandler and Markieff for Dwight Howard. I am not a Howard fan but he is an expiring contract so the Suns can get out of Chandler's and Markieff's contracts immediately with this move.

I would do that trade in heart beat and I cannot stand Howard but there is no chance that Houston would do that trade unless we include a boat load of or future draft picks along with Booker.

There really is only one solution that has a chance on working and that is to get rid of Hornacek.

At this point I do not know if that is the correct move either.

What a freaking mess.

Do we beat the MDA Sixers?

Post #2008 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:10 am

Well Celtics fans say they wouldn't trade Smart and Olynyk for Bledsoe, so that shows what the perception of his value is (at least from those fans)

Grots · Post #2009 » by **Grots** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:35 am

bwgood77 wrote:Well Celtics fans say they wouldn't trade Smart and Olynyk for Bledsoe, so that shows what the perception of his value is (at least from those fans)

I mean, why even bother asking? Fans are delusional. There have been plenty here who said they wouldn't trade Booker/Warren for allstars or stars. Fans opinions on their players' value, positive or negative, isn't worth spit.

(and by the way, three games or so ago this entire board would say HELL NO to ever trading Bledsoe. Fans are delusional and fickle.)

Post #2010 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:38 am

Grots wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Well Celtics fans say they wouldn't trade Smart and Olynyk for Bledsoe, so that shows what the perception of his value is (at least from those fans)

I mean, why even bother asking? Fans are delusional. There have been plenty here who said they wouldn't trade Booker/Warren for allstars or stars.

(and by the way, three games or so ago this entire board would say HELL NO to ever trading Bledsoe. Fans are delusional and fickle.)

I know and even prefaced my proposal saying that. I'm guessing fans of both teams would not do it.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #2011 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:09 am

I wonder if Harden is available. Some Rockets seems to hate him. I'd trade both the guards and all our picks for him.

Revived · Post #2012 » by **Revived** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:17 am

bwgood77 wrote:Well Celtics fans say they wouldn't trade Smart and Olynyk for Bledsoe, so that shows what the perception of his value is (at least from those fans)

They value Olynyk so highly, I couldn't care less about him.

I would trade Bledsoe for Smart and one of the Nets picks. They can keep Olynyk.

Post #2013 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:23 am

SF88 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Well Celtics fans say they wouldn't trade Smart and Olynyk for Bledsoe, so that shows what the perception of his value is (at least from those fans)

They value Olynyk so highly, I couldn't care less about him.

I would trade Bledsoe for Smart and one of the Nets picks. They can keep Olynyk.

I'd rather have a Nets pick too, but what I do like about Olynyk is he puts in effort like Leuer does. We at least need guys who do that. I am not a huge fan on him being a starter or anything, but he could easily be a rotation guy that provides energy, shooting and a smart game.

LukasBMW · Post #2014 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:51 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gu5bn5b

Get it done already.

Keef, Archie, and Weems for Jones, Lawson, and Harrell.

Houston gets Keef, the guy they want. We throw in Archie who is becoming a punk just like Keef. Weems makes the salaries work.

Houston rids themselves of Lawson and Jones. We buy out Lawson or flip him in another deal. We tell Jones to prove he is worth a big contact. I'd love to get them to throw in Harrell just for the hell of it. He is in the D-League.

I'd even throw in the Cavs pick to get it done. Hell, I'd even add a 2nd round pick on top of it.

Keef has destroyed out season.

thamadkant · Post #2015 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:24 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:I wonder if Harden is available. Some Rockets seems to hate him. I'd trade both the guards and all our picks for him.

In NBA 2K... I traded both Harden and Beverly.

In real life Morey will say no. Unless Suns maybe package 4 future firsts.

Id build around Harden and try to get a defensive focus PG who can play off the ball.
Run the same uptempo style but with focus on ball movement and involve big men plays.

asudevil · Post #2016 » by **asudevil** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:00 am

If Booker had a couple more years under his belt, i'm pretty sure either Bledsoe or Knight would be gone at this point.

The problem with the suns right now is that they are trying a 2PG lineup......And they dont have 2 PGs, they have 2 undersized SGs. 2 guys who are score first guys, who kill the flow of the game, and 2 guys are who too undersized to guard SGs. Lets break this down:

Denver - Foye - 31pts
Jazz - Neto/Hood/Burke/Burks - 47pts
Bucks - Middleton/MKW - 46pts
Warriors - Thompson/Curry - 67pts
Mavs - Felton/Williams/Matthews/Harris - 60pts
Wolves - Lavine/Martin/Wiggins - 60pts
Blazers - Lillard/McCollum/Henderson - 52pts

These are 7 of the 8 back courts we've played last. We are 2-6 in those games. We are literally inviting ourselves to be DOMINATED at the PG/SG slots. Sure there are times when Bledsoe/Knight can keep up, but when both dont go off, its game over. The stats they put up on the offensive end are cancelled by what they allow on the defensive side. Thats 19 guys listed and the AVERAGE total is 19ppg for each. That's STUPID.

Bledsoe/Knight on the floor is terrible on D. Bledsoe is a fine defender against PGs, but he cant guard SGs. And Knight is just terrible on D. Neither provide the passing to involve the rest of the offense either.

I feel like Knight/Bledsoe is the reincarnation of Bledsoe/Dragic...

asudevil · Post #2017 » by **asudevil** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:19 am

Suns trade:
Markieff/Goodwin/Knight
Suns get:
Favors/Burks/Brewer

Rockets trade:
Jones/Brewer
Rockets get:
Markieff/Goodwin

Jazz trade:
Favors/Burks
Jazz get:
Jones/Knight

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Suns trade:
Tucker/Weems/Cavs First
Bulls trade:
Gibson/Snell

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Len/Chandler
Favors/Gibson/Leuer
Warren/Tele/Snell
Burks/Booker/Brewer
Bledsoe/Price

Steve Nashidis · Post #2018 » by **Steve Nashidis** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:08 am

bUT in the end Suns trade .
Tucker/Markieef/Markieef's Grandmom/ the house of Amare / Dantoni's forgotten playbook in locker room

for 2020 Philadeplhia's 2nd round pick protected 30-59 and the right to swap pick if there isnt any new trilogy of Lord of the Rings until 2020 .

Post #2019 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:57 am

LukasBMW wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gu5bn5b

Get it done already.

Keef, Archie, and Weems for Jones, Lawson, and Harrell.

Houston gets Keef, the guy they want. We throw in Archie who is becoming a punk just like Keef. Weems makes the salaries work.

Houston rids themselves of Lawson and Jones. We buy out Lawson or flip him in another deal. We tell Jones to prove he is worth a big contact. I'd love to get them to throw in Harrell just for the hell of it. He is in the D-League.

I'd even throw in the Cavs pick to get it done. Hell, I'd even add a 2nd round pick on top of it.

Keef has destroyed out season.

Yeah, just do this. Houston would have to take this. Though I'd probably go for Dekker over Harrell, but it doesn't really matter much.

Grots · Post #2020 » by **Grots** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:07 am

Sarver is not going to buy out Lawson and he can't be flipped (could only do that if you got him by the 20th iirc), unless you mean a 3 team trade but no one wants him.