Trade Deadline Countdown....December 2015

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Sundeuce ya need to post more my man...

To be honest with you, I'm having more enjoyment and way more fun watching a well run, classy, successful organization. Cardinals are taking up 99% of my fandom right now. Feels good to love a team that is doing everything it can to win.

I wish McD and Hornacek would spend time in the summer shadowing or interning at the Cardinals facility and watch and learn from how Kiem and Arians conduct their business. They could learn a thing or two from there.

[Leapinlarry22]

It's been awhile since I posted.

I'm going to point out the obvious. Bledsoe and Tucker absolutely need to go. Tucker, for obviously reasons (just a bad player/low BBIQ/stunting the growth of this team).

Bledsoe is not a leader nor is a starter in this league. Yeah he is putting up a lot of points but his low efficieny and inability to run an offense continues to plague this team. Ryan Mcd overpaid for him (he Still is NOT worth 70 million!!!!! Even with the increased cap). Bottom line is Bledsoe is a bench player but a starter for the Suns. This team is not getting better until Bledsoe is gone.

Chandler suckered Ryan Mcd into paying him and chandler is another player stunting the growth of other players and he is having zero impact of the court.

Time to be honest, Ryan Mcd is a complete failure. Other than a successful year one, he is has been one of the worst GMs in the league since then. The whole Markieff mess is 100% Ryan's fault. His whole "trying to polish a turd" is/was his stupid idea. You flush that crap not keep it. Markieff should have been gone months/weeks before the season started.

I've been watching this team for a very long time (three + decades) and I can't remember a Suns team less appealing and less talented. I'll be honest, when the Suns are on if I'm bored, I will watch, other than that, I couldn't care less. THIS Suns team/organization is not the Suns I grew up with. I really don't acknowledge this as the Suns anymore. They are officially the least cared about team in AZ. Sad place Sarver has put this organization at.

In the 90s star players were literally begging and taking pay cuts to come to play for the Suns. Now, star players don't want to be within 10 feet of this organization.

I've come to the realization that me getting all stressed out over the Suns is no longer worth it and wanting them to get better just isn't going to happen as long as Sarver is the owner. Tough pill to digest but this team is the least relevant team in the state of Arizona (including college teams).

I want to have that joy I had when I was younger that I had watching the team. I use to beg my parents to pay the 19.99 to watch them when they use to charge (pay per view) to watch during the regular season (90s).

If my opinion counted for anything, I would blow this team up...trade everyone not named Len, Booker, or Warren. completely tank. The 13th pick in the draft that the Suns get on a yearly basis has led this team to jack squat.

Feel free to destroy my post but I sorry that's how I feel.

I don't think this is a Ryan McD thing, out of the 3 keepers you mentioned, two of the were taken with that 13-14 pick that you say has netted them nothing, all 3 keepers were selected by Ryan McD.

IMO Lon Babby was a huge contributor to the current culture issue. From the beginning he was the one driving the offseason. Lance Blanks took the fall for him the first time. LB was behind the signing of Childress, Warrick, and acquisition of Turk in an effort to replace Amare. This guy is a former agent who thinks he knows basketball but really he knows basketball from my fantasy standpoint as any agent would. He was also the big proponent of signing brothers for "synergy". This was a huge contributor to our current chemistry/culture issues. KB was finally moved away from basketball operations this past off-season.

Sadly as much as I love Hornacek, he has absolutely no handle or control on this team. I believe in his BBIQ because he was such a smart player, and a team player, but apparently he just can't relate to the young punks up today.

McD should stay, and unfortunately Jeff should go. Careful thought needs to be put into who the new coach will be because a culture needs to be created by the coach.



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[AtheJ415]

It's been awhile since I posted.

I'm going to point out the obvious. Bledsoe and Tucker absolutely need to go. Tucker, for obviously reasons (just a bad player/low BBIQ/stunting the growth of this team).

Bledsoe is not a leader nor is a starter in this league. Yeah he is putting up a lot of points but his low efficieny and inability to run an offense continues to plague this team. Ryan Mcd overpaid for him (he Still is NOT worth 70 million!!!!! Even with the increased cap). Bottom line is Bledsoe is a bench player but a starter for the Suns. This team is not getting better until Bledsoe is gone.

Chandler suckered Ryan Mcd into paying him and chandler is another player stunting the growth of other players and he is having zero impact of the court.

Time to be honest, Ryan Mcd is a complete failure. Other than a successful year one, he is has been one of the worst GMs in the league since then. The whole Markieff mess is 100% Ryan's fault. His whole "trying to polish a turd" is/was his stupid idea. You flush that crap not keep it. Markieff should have been gone months/weeks before the season started.

I've been watching this team for a very long time (three + decades) and I can't remember a Suns team less appealing and less talented. I'll be honest, when the Suns are on if I'm bored, I will watch, other than that, I couldn't care less. THIS Suns team/organization is not the Suns I grew up with. I really don't acknowledge this as the Suns anymore. They are officially the least cared about team in AZ. Sad place Sarver has put this organization at.

In the 90s star players were literally begging and taking pay cuts to come to play for the Suns. Now, star players don't want to be within 10 feet of this organization.

I've come to the realization that me getting all stressed out over the Suns is no longer worth it and wanting them to get better just isn't going to happen as long as Sarver is the owner. Tough pill to digest but this team is the least relevant team in the state of Arizona (including college teams).

I want to have that joy I had when I was younger that I had watching the team. I use to beg my parents to pay the 19.99 to watch them when they use to charge (pay per view) to watch during the regular season (90s).

If my opinion counted for anything, I would blow this team up...trade everyone not named Len, Booker, or Warren. completely tank. The 13th pick in the draft that the Suns get on a yearly basis has led this team to jack squat.

Feel free to destroy my post but I sorry that's how I feel.

Bledsoe isn't a starter? Seriously? I'd love to know the 150 players in this league better than him, or at least the 60 guards. He's a legitimate borderline all-star, who is admittedly underperforming when it comes to defense and turnovers. His scoring efficiency is not the problem at all.

A 21.17 PER, while scoring 21 ppg on 45.3% fg, 37.5% 3 point, and 80% ft is not only the definition of efficient, it is damn near elite. You can say he forces shots, and you can say he needs to improve defensively, but you damn well can't say he's scoring inefficiently.

[Puff]

Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

[AtheJ415]

It's been awhile since I posted.

I'm going to point out the obvious. Bledsoe and Tucker absolutely need to go. Tucker, for obviously reasons (just a bad player/low BBIQ/stunting the growth of this team).

Bledsoe is not a leader nor is a starter in this league. Yeah he is putting up a lot of points but his low efficieny and inability to run an offense continues to plague this team. Ryan Mcd overpaid for him (he Still is NOT worth 70 million!!!!! Even with the increased cap). Bottom line is Bledsoe is a bench player but a starter for the Suns. This team is not getting better until Bledsoe is gone.

Chandler suckered Ryan Mcd into paying him and chandler is another player stunting the growth of other players and he is having zero impact of the court.

Time to be honest, Ryan Mcd is a complete failure. Other than a successful year one, he is has been one of the worst GMs in the league since then. The whole Markieff mess is 100% Ryan's fault. His whole "trying to polish a turd" is/was his stupid idea. You flush that crap not keep it. Markieff should have been gone months/weeks before the season started.

I've been watching this team for a very long time (three + decades) and I can't remember a Suns team less appealing and less talented. I'll be honest, when the Suns are on if I'm bored, I will watch, other than that, I couldn't care less. THIS Suns team/organization is not the Suns I grew up with. I really don't acknowledge this as the Suns anymore. They are officially the least cared about team in AZ. Sad place Sarver has put this organization at.

In the 90s star players were literally begging and taking pay cuts to come to play for the Suns. Now, star players don't want to be within 10 feet of this organization.

I've come to the realization that me getting all stressed out over the Suns is no longer worth it and wanting them to get better just isn't going to happen as long as Sarver is the owner. Tough pill to digest but this team is the least relevant team in the state of Arizona (including college teams).

I want to have that joy I had when I was younger that I had watching the team. I use to beg my parents to pay the 19.99 to watch them when they use to charge (pay per view) to watch during the regular season (90s).

If my opinion counted for anything, I would blow this team up...trade everyone not named Len, Booker, or Warren. completely tank. The 13th pick in the draft that the Suns get on a yearly basis has led this team to jack squat.

Feel free to destroy my post but I sorry that's how I feel.

I don't think this is a Ryan McD thing, out of the 3 keepers you mentioned, two of the were taken with that 13-14 pick that you say has netted them nothing, all 3 keepers were selected by Ryan McD.

IMO Lon Babby was a huge contributor to the current culture issue. From the beginning he was the one driving the offseason. Lance Blanks took the fall for him the first time. LB was behind the signing of Childress, Warrick, and acquisition of Turk in an effort to replace Amare. This guy is a former agent who thinks he knows basketball but really he knows basketball from my fantasy standpoint as any agent would. He was also the big proponent of signing brothers for "synergy". This was a huge contributor to our current chemistry/culture issues. KB was finally moved away from basketball operations this past off-season.

Sadly as much as I love Hornacek, he has absolutely no handle or control on this team. I believe in his BBIQ because he was such a smart player, and a team player, but apparently he just can't relate to the young punks up today.

McD should stay, and unfortunately Jeff should go. Careful thought needs to be put into who the new coach will be because a culture needs to be created by the coach.



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This. Who you pick is always more important than the slot of the pick, unless you get a #1 who is universally a no brainer like an Anthony Davis. The Spurs have wrecked everyone with picks that were not very high aside from Duncan. The Suns the past 3 years have netted players many teams should've picked earlier. And there are countless stars taken late (hello Kawhi Leonard) despite many claiming you can't get one with a late lottery pick.

[AtheJ415]

Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

I couldn't fire him after a player threw a towel in his face. PR disaster waiting to happen. It'll probably be a few more weeks. I think at this point they give him a chance after trading some people.

[Leapinlarry22]

It's been awhile since I posted.

I'm going to point out the obvious. Bledsoe and Tucker absolutely need to go. Tucker, for obviously reasons (just a bad player/low BBIQ/stunting the growth of this team).

Bledsoe is not a leader nor is a starter in this league. Yeah he is putting up a lot of points but his low efficieny and inability to run an offense continues to plague this team. Ryan Mcd overpaid for him (he Still is NOT worth 70 million!!!!! Even with the increased cap). Bottom line is Bledsoe is a bench player but a starter for the Suns. This team is not getting better until Bledsoe is gone.

Chandler suckered Ryan Mcd into paying him and chandler is another player stunting the growth of other players and he is having zero impact of the court.

Time to be honest, Ryan Mcd is a complete failure. Other than a successful year one, he is has been one of the worst GMs in the league since then. The whole Markieff mess is 100% Ryan's fault. His whole "trying to polish a turd" is/was his stupid idea. You flush that crap not keep it. Markieff should have been gone months/weeks before the season started.

I've been watching this team for a very long time (three + decades) and I can't remember a Suns team less appealing and less talented. I'll be honest, when the Suns are on if I'm bored, I will watch, other than that, I couldn't care less. THIS Suns team/organization is not the Suns I grew up with. I really don't acknowledge this as the Suns anymore. They are officially the least cared about team in AZ. Sad place Sarver has put this organization at.

In the 90s star players were literally begging and taking pay cuts to come to play for the Suns. Now, star players don't want to be within 10 feet of this organization.

I've come to the realization that me getting all stressed out over the Suns is no longer worth it and wanting them to get better just isn't going to happen as long as Sarver is the owner. Tough pill to digest but this team is the least relevant team in the state of Arizona (including college teams).

I want to have that joy I had when I was younger that I had watching the team. I use to beg my parents to pay the 19.99 to watch them when they use to charge (pay per view) to watch during the regular season (90s).

If my opinion counted for anything, I would blow this team up...trade everyone not named Len, Booker, or Warren. completely tank. The 13th pick in the draft that the Suns get on a yearly basis has led this team to jack squat.

Feel free to destroy my post but I sorry that's how I feel.

Bledsoe isn't a starter? Seriously? I'd love to know the 150 players in this league better than him, or at least the 60 guards. He's a legitimate borderline all-star, who is admittedly underperforming when it comes to defense and turnovers. His scoring efficiency is not the problem at all.

A 21.17 PER, while scoring 21 ppg on 45.3% fg, 37.5% 3 point, and 80% ft is not only the definition of efficient, it is damn near elite. You can say he forces shots, and you can say he needs to improve defensively, but you damn well can't say he's scoring inefficiently.

I think we can all agree that scoring is not EB's issue. However how would those efficiency ratings look, if you took into consideration in 3 to 4 turnovers a game he has in the paint while attempting to score but not getting a shot off? In my opinion those possession should be added into the efficiency stat because he is attempting to score which eliminates anybody else on the team from being able to take a shot on that possession.

In the end though, EB's inability to see the court, and to distribute the ball is the real issue. He just does not have that skill.




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[Fo-Real]

It may be that Jeff is too structured, there is no reason for our guys to be so confused with each other on defense at this point of the season, we are constantly scrambling and missing defensive assignments and helps. Tired of this stupid weave slash dribble handoff offense that sets up long jumpers and ONLY long jumpers. The screens suck and the entire roster is frustrated. Its almost like the guys aren't allowed to go out and just play ball. Letting them go out and play pick up would be a better product on the court at this point. The offense is predictable and bush league. Jeff has lost them at this point. I want knight gone like yesterday. Any chance of stealing Dantoni back?

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Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

I couldn't fire him after a player threw a towel in his face. PR disaster waiting to happen. It'll probably be a few more weeks. I think at this point they give him a chance after trading some people.

What a terrible decision that would be. Even the best player of the team Bledsoe has no interest in trying or putting forth any effort for Hornacek and Hornacek's blasting Bledsoe and Knight in post game pressers.

If you think it's gonna get any better without major coaching changes and roster changes, your kidding yourselves.

Btw what the Suns are in right now is already a PR disaster. Everyone from ESPN to NBA tv were clowning the Suns after last night's game.

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Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

Sarver's too cheap to fire him. He knows he'll have to eat Hoenacek's remainder salary for the season plus have to pay for another head coach too.

[Sunsdeuce]

It's been awhile since I posted.

I'm going to point out the obvious. Bledsoe and Tucker absolutely need to go. Tucker, for obviously reasons (just a bad player/low BBIQ/stunting the growth of this team).

Bledsoe is not a leader nor is a starter in this league. Yeah he is putting up a lot of points but his low efficieny and inability to run an offense continues to plague this team. Ryan Mcd overpaid for him (he Still is NOT worth 70 million!!!!! Even with the increased cap). Bottom line is Bledsoe is a bench player but a starter for the Suns. This team is not getting better until Bledsoe is gone.

Chandler suckered Ryan Mcd into paying him and chandler is another player stunting the growth of other players and he is having zero impact of the court.

Time to be honest, Ryan Mcd is a complete failure. Other than a successful year one, he is has been one of the worst GMs in the league since then. The whole Markieff mess is 100% Ryan's fault. His whole "trying to polish a turd" is/was his stupid idea. You flush that crap not keep it. Markieff should have been gone months/weeks before the season started.

I've been watching this team for a very long time (three + decades) and I can't remember a Suns team less appealing and less talented. I'll be honest, when the Suns are on if I'm bored, I will watch, other than that, I couldn't care less. THIS Suns team/organization is not the Suns I grew up with. I really don't acknowledge this as the Suns anymore. They are officially the least cared about team in AZ. Sad place Sarver has put this organization at.

In the 90s star players were literally begging and taking pay cuts to come to play for the Suns. Now, star players don't want to be within 10 feet of this organization.

I've come to the realization that me getting all stressed out over the Suns is no longer worth it and wanting them to get better just isn't going to happen as long as Sarver is the owner. Tough pill to digest but this team is the least relevant team in the state of Arizona (including college teams).

I want to have that joy I had when I was younger that I had watching the team. I use to beg my parents to pay the 19.99 to watch them when they use to charge (pay per view) to watch during the regular season (90s).

If my opinion counted for anything, I would blow this team up...trade everyone not named Len, Booker, or Warren. completely tank. The 13th pick in the draft that the Suns get on a yearly basis has led this team to jack squat.

Feel free to destroy my post but I sorry that's how I feel.

Bledsoe isn't a starter? Seriously? I'd love to know the 150 players in this league better than him, or at least the 60 guards. He's a legitimate borderline all-star, who is admittedly underperforming when it comes to defense and turnovers. His scoring efficiency is not the problem at all.

A 21.17 PER, while scoring 21 ppg on 45.3% fg, 37.5% 3 point, and 80% ft is not only the definition of efficient, it is damn near elite. You can say he forces shots, and you can say he needs to improve defensively, but you damn well can't say he's scoring inefficiently.

I think we can all agree that scoring is not EB's issue. However how would those efficiency ratings look, if you took into consideration in 3 to 4 turnovers a game he has in the paint while attempting to score but not getting a shot off? In my opinion those possession should be added into the efficiency stat because he is attempting to score which eliminates anybody else on the team from being able to take a shot on that possession.

In the end though, EB's inability to see the court, and to distribute the ball is the real issue. He just does not have that skill.




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Exactly, people can quote stats all day long but he is not an effective "playmaker." He isn't good enough to be a full time PG and same is said about him playing shooting guard. The guard position is the worst position to be a Tweener. Which is exactly what Bledsoe is. "Scoring" is the least important part of being a PG! Running an offense and making everyone around you better IS!

Let's face it, Bledsoe is what he is. A midrange, to the basket player. That's about it on offense. This is not a recipe for success. Which is why you want a player like that coming off the bench.

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/ScottHoward42/status/679895235778842624[/tweet]

...and with that, Merry Christmas Suns fans!

[bwgood77]

Any Wolves trade...I want LaVine from them.

Bledsoe for LaVine + filler

Maybe absorb Martin or Pekovic.... Flip them to a 3rd team perhaps.

Lol are you serious with that trade? Lavine? Come on. Bledsoe is way better and LaVine will never be a better player than Bledsoe in his career.

Nah, he's gotta be joking.

[bwgood77]

Sundeuce ya need to post more my man...

To be honest with you, I'm having more enjoyment and way more fun watching a well run, classy, successful organization. Cardinals are taking up 99% of my fandom right now. Feels good to love a team that is doing everything it can to win.

I wish McD and Hornacek would spend time in the summer shadowing or interning at the Cardinals facility and watch and learn from how Kiem and Arians conduct their business. They could learn a thing or two from there.

Arians is seriously one of the best NFL coaches I have ever witnessed. I really don't know how he does it. I really think another coach with the Cards would be about half as successful. He is just pure genius in whatever he is doing. I mean what he is doing is seriously extremely rare. I'm not saying this in a "Suns will never find that type of genius coach" but in a "I wish they could' type of way. I hope they win it all. It will be awfully tough to beat Seattle or Carolina in the playoffs, but they absolutely can with him coaching. Wish they were in the crappy AFC and could knock out the Pats though. I don't want to see them in another Super Bowl, but if they are, I hope it's against the Cards, and they beat the living **** out of them.

[bwgood77]

I don't think this is a Ryan McD thing, out of the 3 keepers you mentioned, two of the were taken with that 13-14 pick that you say has netted them nothing, all 3 keepers were selected by Ryan McD.

IMO Lon Babby was a huge contributor to the current culture issue. From the beginning he was the one driving the offseason. Lance Blanks took the fall for him the first time. LB was behind the signing of Childress, Warrick, and acquisition of Turk in an effort to replace Amare. This guy is a former agent who thinks he knows basketball but really he knows basketball from my fantasy standpoint as any agent would. He was also the big proponent of signing brothers for "synergy". This was a huge contributor to our current chemistry/culture issues. KB was finally moved away from basketball operations this past off-season.

Sadly as much as I love Hornacek, he has absolutely no handle or control on this team. I believe in his BBIQ because he was such a smart player, and a team player, but apparently he just can't relate to the young punks up today.

McD should stay, and unfortunately Jeff should go. Careful thought needs to be put into who the new coach will be because a culture needs to be created by the coach.Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

I do agree that Babby set this team back a good 5 years, if not more.

[bwgood77]

Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

Sarver's too cheap to fire him. He knows he'll have to eat Hoenacek's remainder salary for the season plus have to pay for another head coach too.

He wouldn't increase anyone's salary, he would just elevate an assistant to the HC job and if he wanted to get paid more, he would say "so you don't want the opportunity because I can ask the other assistants?"

[bwgood77]

Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

I couldn't fire him after a player threw a towel in his face. PR disaster waiting to happen. It'll probably be a few more weeks. I think at this point they give him a chance after trading some people.

What a terrible decision that would be. Even the best player of the team Bledsoe has no interest in trying or putting forth any effort for Hornacek and Hornacek's blasting Bledsoe and Knight in post game pressers.

If you think it's gonna get any better without major coaching changes and roster changes, your kidding yourselves.

Btw what the Suns are in right now is already a PR disaster. Everyone from ESPN to NBA tv were clowning the Suns after last night's game.

There really isn't much point in firing him if huge roster changes are coming. See what he can do after that and if he can't do anything, find another coach in the off season. I don't think an assistant is the answer because if it's a coaching issues, it likely is an issues with the whole staff. I doubt any will still be here next season if Hornacek is gone. Unless he just decides to step down before getting axed and they are faced with having to let the next coach decide if he wants to keep any of the staff. They could keep one or two. They may keep Longabardi since he was with McD in Boston and Thibs understudy.

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To be honest with you, I'm having more enjoyment and way more fun watching a well run, classy, successful organization. Cardinals are taking up 99% of my fandom right now. Feels good to love a team that is doing everything it can to win.

I wish McD and Hornacek would spend time in the summer shadowing or interning at the Cardinals facility and watch and learn from how Kiem and Arians conduct their business. They could learn a thing or two from there.

Arians is seriously one of the best NFL coaches I have ever witnessed. I really don't know how he does it. I really think another coach with the Cards would be about half as successful. He is just pure genius in whatever he is doing. I mean what he is doing is seriously extremely rare. I'm not saying this in a "Suns will never find that type of genius coach" but in a "I wish they could' type of way. I hope they win it all. It will be awfully tough to beat Seattle or Carolina in the playoffs, but they absolutely can with him coaching. Wish they were in the crappy AFC and could knock out the Pats though. I don't want to see them in another Super Bowl, but if they are, I hope it's against the Cards, and they beat the living **** out of them.

And to think the Chargers passed on him for McCoy...

No doubt about Arians being a fantastic coach. I mean this guy took a Cardinals led by Drew Stanton to the freaking playoffs.

[Saberestar]

Why in the world does Hornacek still have a job this morning?

It obvious to everyone that he has lost this team.

I do not know if I have ever seen a situation where the coach needs to go more than this one.

It is a shame because I think we all like Hornacek but he absolutely needs to go.

Yes
It is gonna be ridiculous...after Phily we play Cavs, Thunder and Spurs.

Please, fire Hornacek and trade Markieff. JUST MAKE IT.

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Kieff suspended?