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Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18)

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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#281 » by MrTwister » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:54 am

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Cutter wrote:Suns are tied with Minnesota for the 6th worst record in the league. With the negative momentum we have developed over the last several games I can see us being one of the worst 2-4 teams in the the league by end of year.


Well maybe it is all for the best and we end up winning the lottery. Funny tweet I saw....favorited by Minnesota fans (I'm guessing)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BreakTheHuddle/status/679887546730414080[/tweet]

Guy is some local Minny sports writer which covers Twolves.I guess its just frustration tweet as many Twolves fans never wanted any part of Sam Mitchell being long term coach, and most of them pretty much hate him for playing Lavine at PG where he is clueless and misused.That team has too much talent to play way they have been playing, looking lik NBA team from 80's.

At this point, anybody looks good to them compared to Mitchell.Even Hornacek.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#282 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:02 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
Cutter wrote:Suns are tied with Minnesota for the 6th worst record in the league. With the negative momentum we have developed over the last several games I can see us being one of the worst 2-4 teams in the the league by end of year.


Well maybe it is all for the best and we end up winning the lottery. Funny tweet I saw....favorited by Minnesota fans (I'm guessing)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BreakTheHuddle/status/679887546730414080[/tweet]

Guy is some local Minny sports writer which covers Twolves.I guess its just frustration tweet as many Twolves fans never wanted any part of Sam Mitchell being long term coach, and most of them pretty much hate him for playing Lavine at PG where he is clueless and misused.That team has too much talent to play way they have been playing, looking lik NBA team from 80's.

At this point, anybody looks good to them compared to Mitchell.Even Hornacek.


Well Hornacek is a damn good coach when he has a good group of players. The problem is we started with a rebuild, and properly done and allowed by the owner allowing the rebuild process to take it's course, we would probably be on the right path. But the overachievement by Hornacek likely did him in, because we were not ready at that point to really compete and go anywhere important, and the constant reshuffling every six months made it tough. Put him in Minnesota with good pieces and a proper rebuild in place he would likely thrive. I don't think he would necessarily want to coach after this season, at least not next year and would want to take a year off, or maybe just retire completely, and I don't blame him.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#283 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:17 pm

IMO the blame lies more on the assembling of the roster, Sarver and the players than Hornacek...I know many think I am a Hornacek apologist, and I do admit he has made some questionable roster moves, but with this roster, it would be tough for anyone. I just hate the constant reshuffling. The succesful teams have continuity with coach and roster.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#284 » by kennydorglas » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:55 pm

I think Hornacek is more suited to coach college basketball.
I'm really bummed he didnt take the Iowa St spot... I dont think he's tough enough to impose his will against prima donnas (pretty much 90% of the NBA)

He did wonders with Matthews, Hayward, Korver shooting.
He'd be a godsend to any college team. Seriously.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#285 » by Revived » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:31 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:It seems to me to be painfully obvious that Markieff for Jones and Brewer is happening. For anyone wondering why he's on the team, well, a trade for a RFA is the only reason I can think of, unless all the rumors are a lie and he has 0 value leaguewide.

Here's to holding out hope this is a 3 way and Brewer isn't a sun.

If that indeed is the case, Suns ought to just suspend Kieff til January whenever.

Like Gambo said last night, Kieff can't be anywhere near the players or coaches in practice or in games. It's too toxic.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#286 » by Cutter » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:03 pm

Kieff has said many times that both he and Marcus really like Hornacek. Their beef was with McD and the FO.

I'm don't think Kieff throwing the towel at Horny meant he is disrespecting him, it was more of a frustration at losing and getting pulled.

I would still move Kieff to the end of the bench, or assign him to home until he is traded.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#287 » by garrick » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:04 pm

I just saw Bledsoe's interview after the loss and he keeps saying they played as hard as they could which obviously isn't the case.

I think we just need to accept the fact Bledsoe is never going to be a team leader in the mold of a CP3 although because of his high salary you sort of expect him to be a leader...

With Tyson you have to wonder what is going on, did he mail it in once LA decided not to sign with us? Is he still injured?
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#288 » by NavLDO » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:22 pm

bwgood77 wrote:IMO the blame lies more on the assembling of the roster, Sarver and the players than Hornacek...I know many think I am a Hornacek apologist, and I do admit he has made some questionable roster moves, but with this roster, it would be tough for anyone. I just hate the constant reshuffling. The succesful teams have continuity with coach and roster.


Honestly, and I know this would never fly with the media--we'd be 'billed' as 'tankers', but honestly, Horny needs to say screw it:

Price / Knight / Cotton
Booker / Goodwin / Weems
Warren / Weems / Tucker
Leuer / Tucker / C. Jefferson
Len / Teletovic / Leuer

DNP: Coaches Decision - Bledsoe, Chandler, Morris

Done. Then tell McD--"These three will not see the floor again under my charge, so either fire me, or trade them--your choice, because I'm done coddling these money-grabbing, non-caring SOBs! If we're going to lose, it's going to be because we went up against better talent, not because our better talent won't respond to my coaching and play like crap."
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#289 » by Calvin Klein » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:43 pm

If you ask NY fans, they'll tell you Chandler has been like these for a few years now. Such a pointless signing.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#290 » by Cutter » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:48 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I would REALLY love to get Tyson Chandler's true take on everyone on the team and the coaches.

I read somewhere that Tyson basically says that both guards are not getting it done as far as running the offense and feeding high percentage lobs to him and Len. He is quick to take his share of ownership of the problems so it doesn't seem that he is piling on, but he lays it at the feet of the guards.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#291 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:51 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I would REALLY love to get Tyson Chandler's true take on everyone on the team and the coaches.

I read somewhere that Tyson basically says that both guards are not getting it done as far as running the offense and feeding high percentage lobs to him and Len. He is quick to take his share of ownership of the problems so it doesn't seem that he is piling on, but he lays it at the feet of the guards.


Yeah, I definitely know how he feels about those guys. Likely why he seems checked out since he knows they don't care much about getting others involved.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#292 » by Revived » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:46 pm

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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#293 » by Saberestar » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:25 pm

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Well maybe it is all for the best and we end up winning the lottery. Funny tweet I saw....favorited by Minnesota fans (I'm guessing)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BreakTheHuddle/status/679887546730414080[/tweet]

Guy is some local Minny sports writer which covers Twolves.I guess its just frustration tweet as many Twolves fans never wanted any part of Sam Mitchell being long term coach, and most of them pretty much hate him for playing Lavine at PG where he is clueless and misused.That team has too much talent to play way they have been playing, looking lik NBA team from 80's.

At this point, anybody looks good to them compared to Mitchell.Even Hornacek.


Well Hornacek is a damn good coach when he has a good group of players. The problem is we started with a rebuild, and properly done and allowed by the owner allowing the rebuild process to take it's course, we would probably be on the right path. But the overachievement by Hornacek likely did him in, because we were not ready at that point to really compete and go anywhere important, and the constant reshuffling every six months made it tough. Put him in Minnesota with good pieces and a proper rebuild in place he would likely thrive. I don't think he would necessarily want to coach after this season, at least not next year and would want to take a year off, or maybe just retire completely, and I don't blame him.

Every coach would be a great coach with a ton of good coachable players with amazing basketball IQ and being high character guys.
EVERY COACH.
What makes the difference between coaches is the ability to work with different personalities and get from them the best work possible.

In my opinion Hornacek has failed, period. He has lost the team, a team with bad players and good coachable players, like every other team in the league. Even the GSW have had players who thought that they deserved to be starters (like Iguodala or Lee last year) and so-so personalities (Speights comes to my mind)...every team is gonna have that problems always....it is not an special roster what we have here on that regard.

McDonough has made a lot of mistakes too...and he is making more and more with every minute that Markieff is on the team yet.

What a disappointment.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#294 » by Chuck Everett » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:05 pm

McDonough is officially a bad GM. The fact that this team is so volatile is directly on him. Sarver needs to sell.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#295 » by Revived » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:32 pm

Ronnie Price is probably never in his life gonna make 6 3pters in a game again.

Can't believe we wasted that performance by him.
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Re: Game 31: Denver Nuggets (11-17) @ Phoenix Suns (12-18) 

Post#296 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:14 am

Chuck Everett wrote:McDonough is officially a bad GM. The fact that this team is so volatile is directly on him. Sarver needs to sell.

Yeah, no.
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