So why are we Underachiving? are we Underachiving? **POLL**

[RexBoyWonder]

If you watched the Pelicans game, you might have trouble sleeping the next few days. THE HORROR.

So why is this keeps happening?

[gom]

RBW, you should make your poll multiselect. I chose (3), but both (3) & (4) are true. (2) is also somewhat true, imo, because I don't see us as a contender even after trades.

[twix2500]

If you watched the Pelicans game, you might have trouble sleeping the next few days. THE HORROR.

So why is this keeps happening?

Dude we are OK, we are 17-11. Nothing to panic about. Teams don't push hard till after the all-star game. We missing TJ and McRoberts, hopefully the can provide some offense punch if they can get healthy

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[eddieheatfan]

If you watched the Pelicans game, you might have trouble sleeping the next few days. THE HORROR.

So why is this keeps happening?

coaching or lack thereof and also star players seems disinterested at times.seems as though they think that this season does not count or something ...oh and i voted for the last option of your poll

[eddieheatfan]

If you watched the Pelicans game, you might have trouble sleeping the next few days. THE HORROR.

So why is this keeps happening?

Dude we are OK, we are 17-11. Nothing to panic about. Teams don't push hard till after the all-star game. We missing TJ and McRoberts, hopefully the can provide some offense punch if they can get healthy

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i disagree we are not ok when we see an offensive that are anemic at times and that tend to get stagnant at some quarters and defense tends to get porous a as well.and just check that body language when wade is playing,sometimes you can tell that he is just going through the motions and lastly,today unibrow played the whole first quarter while spo was already with several subs in already and why are you inserting haslem and benching whiteside in the 4th??coaching sucks balls

[Heat_Fan_87]

so many reasons why we are underachieving.

-fit
-talent
-coaching

all are reasons.

I would bet that spo is here at least 2 more years, like it or not. Riley is not firing spo, and wade likes spo because spo lets wade do what wade wants.

[DefenseWins]

We need another big we actually use, our bench (Green these days) have to help us get going because our offense will stall

The 4th quarter offense is mostly Wade and Bosh. You would think this would be exciting but it isn't. It's just ugly basketball, full iso's, air balls, down right ugly/bad shots.

now yes, we played ugly and were terrible. But I wouldn't press that panic button after seeing how bad we are after January. I want to see what this team is made of. It's weird, we play decent against good teams, but really bad against bad teams.

Goran's two hands are hurt, TJ is out, McBob I don't think makes that much of a difference, but we MISS TJ so bad.

Amare I don't know if he should get burn or not. Haslem is not good out there vs certain teams. Birdman I know we are just going to trade him but it's a bit ridiculous we don't use him at ALL.

We might be putting this team to too much of a high standard, from what we are use to. I mean Wade or Bosh isn't average 20 points a game, no one is, and we aren't like the Spurs. This team to get over the hump to the next TIER needs another dominant player who can score more than 20 points a game OR better shooters/bench players.

I do think Riley will make trades later on, despite him saying he wouldn't. He is always looking for something better, especially if we struggle in the next month, as he wants to make the playoffs. And while it's ridiculous to even talk about now, this team and Riley do want a shot at the Cavs.

[RexBoyWonder]

RBW, you should make your poll multiselect. I chose (3), but both (3) & (4) are true. (2) is also somewhat true, imo, because I don't see us as a contender even after trades.

I would've but I don't want to muddy the waters, let's get to the heart of it. While it's probably a mixture of factors, let's put it in order, everything is not equal. So everyone needs to pick the factor they consider the biggest, and you can add in the comments the others. Honestly I'm not sure what to choose myself right now.

[QUIZ]

We're fine. We're 17-11 and our older guys love playing down to their comp. Our vets find it hard to motivate themselves to put forth max effort on D throughout all 82 games.

It is what it is. We're 17-11 and have a good shot at being 20-11 after the next few games. We're doing fine and the difficulty of our January stretch is overstated.

[RexBoyWonder]

We're fine. We're 17-11 and our older guys love playing down to their comp. Our vets find it hard to motivate themselves to put forth max effort on D throughout all 82 games.

It is what it is. We're 17-11 and have a good shot at being 20-11 after the next few games. We're doing fine and the difficulty of our January stretch is overstated.

Im starting to get sick from hearing that. What, are they the first championship vets to ever play in the regular season?

It was understandable the first year after 4 straight years of finals trips. But last year ended early, they had plenty of time to recharge.

Did Bird, MJ, Duncan, and a ton of other vets that achieved a lot early in their careers just started to half-ass the RS? no they didn't.

If they can't get motivated to win games and do their jobs, they're not leaders, not as good as they should be, drag the entire team down and it's on the Coach too for not kicking their ass and or motivating them.

[mixerball]

there is gonna be games like pelicans. i think miami is fine. good teams take a few years to click.

[twix2500]

17-11 we are, how good did u expect at this point of the season? i dont know about yall but they are playing right to my expectations

[Heat_Fan_87]

17-11 we are, how good did u expect at this point of the season? i dont know about yall but they are playing right to my expectations

we should be 20-8. with the upcoming schedule, we needed to take advantage of early games vs weaker opponents.

3 games is the difference between, being in 2nd place and 9th place right now. we probably cost ourselves home court in the first round. But remember, this season is about saving money, not winning.

[twix2500]

17-11 we are, how good did u expect at this point of the season? i dont know about yall but they are playing right to my expectations

we should be 20-8. with the upcoming schedule, we needed to take advantage of early games vs weaker opponents.

3 games is the difference between, being in 2nd place and 9th place right now. we probably cost ourselves home court in the first round. But remember, this season is about saving money, not winning.

If you gonna look at each game and predict exact win and loses the first half of the season you gonna drive yourself insane. When healthy i predicted our offense to be somewhere in the middle of the pack. Spo is gonna spend the first half of the season experimenting, he does it every year and that why you heard Riley go out his way and do the 40 games evaluation quote. Its gonna be about mid season when Spo is set on his rotation. We 3 games from Cleveland and your counting us out of a first round homecourt dec 25th really? Not saying you shouldnt be disappointed at some things, but chill a bit son. Its Dec 25th.

[Slot Machine]

The fit isn't optimal but the coaching is just awful. All-bench units, lineups that consistently blow leads getting minutes night after night, benching Whiteside excessively, etc.

This team just flat out looks lethargic and lazy a large part of the time. An easy, home-heavy schedule is where you can get away with that but we are in deep trouble if the team doesn't step it up several notches. I knew we were in trouble when Haslem had to start screaming at people during halftime within the first couple weeks of the season. I think the team has mostly tuned Spo out.

[Rock Hardy]

We were projects as a 3-4 seed with 46 wins. We're on pace for 50 right now. We're probably not as good as some fans think. Even considering the strength of schedule, we're a game ahead of our Pythagorean. Expectations are just out of joint with reality. It's normal for the emotional residents of this board. Just read the last 5 minutes of any close game thread, and everyone is being fired or traded, and everyone sucks. In reality, we aren't even as good as our record.

[KingDavid]

This is what it looks like when you have a bunch of below-average shooters on your roster. We're not underachieving, we're just this bad and January will completely expose us if we continue like this. Maybe that could change if we stepped up our defense? But I don't believe in this roster defensively for 48 minutes. We're just going to keep playing slow and hope teams miss from downtown as we keep going under screens.

[dancing2thabeet]

Voted for lack of talent - as in talented shooting. We need to be able to knock down at least wide open three pointers to compete in today's NBA.

[dolphinatik]

talent can always get you wins so ya if we add all the best players we should win again. But outside of talent good coaching can also get you wins. We still have more talent that other teams. Old Wade is still a beast and Bosh is still one of the top players in the league even though he doesnt bring it all the time.

Its politics, watched the lakers game last night and clearly their starting unit is setup only to get out of Kobes way. When Clarkson has the ball he clearly doesnt like to give it to Kobe. When the second unit comes in they actually start looking like a team again. So why dont they have Randle and Russ starting? Politics. Why do we keep sending Stokes to the Dleague when we have no depth to speak of? Politics.

[Bishop45]

We've underachieved in just about every year under Spo but his playoff record has spoke for itself, whether or not he's a good coach will come to light. The personnel has its faults but we've def underachieved, using our record as clout for our terrible play is not even good pragmatism