Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[penbeast0]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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Beal for Bobby Portis and filler could make a lot of sense for both teams - particularly if we're sure we have no shot at KD2DC.

How about Beal + Hump for Portis + Gibson? I really like the way it balances our roster going forward:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Oubre
SF Porter
PF Gibson/Portis
C Gortat

Add to that our 1st round pick plus $28M in cap room. Hopefully we add one youngish free agent big man in the next year or two (say, Biyombo or Steven Adams?)

Are you really willing to give up the Durant dream for that little or do we have enough to offer the max even with Gibson (and Porter presumably moving to the 2)?

[Illmatic12]

Oubre's tools are elite, he has the highest two-way potential of anyone on the Wizards roster.

He can potentially be our Leonard, and provide elite perimeter defense against the best scorers in the league.

For me, I'm pretty close to considering KO untouchable.

Nobody is "untouchable." John Wall isn't. It all depends on the deal available. But, I agree that I'd have no particular interest in trading Oubre.

That said, I don't think "Oubre's tools are elite" in the slightest. For one thing, he has zero right hand -- and I mean zero. But, his *athleticism* is elite, and he seems to be very smart and to be concentrating. I like him a lot.

Kawhi Leonard, however -- that's a big-time stretch as a comparison, at least at this point. Leonard played 2 years of college ball, and he played way more minutes as a Freshman than Kelly did. He came into the league a much better schooled player than Oubre, and he was absolutely terrific his rookie year -- much better out of the gate than Kelly has yet shown himself to be. He was an elite SF as a rookie! The only thing he didn't do as a rookie is shoot a lot.

He also averaged 24 minutes a game; Kelly's averaging 11, though of course that's going up lately, and I hope his minutes will continue to go up. I'd love him to become a star, you bet, but at this point comparing him to Leonard is dreaming -- a nice dream, but still....

He probably won't be as good as Leonard, no. But for this team to ever become a force to be reckoned with, they need to find a way to slow down the elite wings of the league (George, Melo, James, Durant, Harden, Leonard, etc). I don't have the stats in front of me, but to my recollection every one of those guys has pretty much spanked the Wizards repeatedly over the last few years. And it'd be even worse going against them in a 7-game playoff series.

Oubre is the only player on the team with the potential to become that type of 'stopper' - of course you never really stop those scorers, but the best defenders can at least make it tough on them. Wall and Beal don't have the length, Porter doesn't have the quickness or strength. Oubre is the closest we have to all of those things in one package, and he's still only 20yo. With how rare those types of players are, I wouldn't want to include KO in trade offers anytime soon.

[gambitx777]

Wall is pretty much untouchable for the next couple of years, unless some major rift happens. Otto and KO should not be shopped at all unless someone comes to us with an over whelming offer. Gortat and Beal can and should be shopped quietly to test the waters at the dead line. NENE should be moved but I don;t know for what or how. below that, trade anyone.

[Dark Faze]

KD dream definitely needs to stay alive--Cavs looked beyond meh last night meanwhile the West still looks tough to get through in a playoff scenario

[nate33]

Beal for a youngish, rotation quality big. Len? Sullinger? Nicholson?


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Beal for Bobby Portis and filler could make a lot of sense for both teams - particularly if we're sure we have no shot at KD2DC.

How about Beal + Hump for Portis + Gibson? I really like the way it balances our roster going forward:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Oubre
SF Porter
PF Gibson/Portis
C Gortat

Add to that our 1st round pick plus $28M in cap room. Hopefully we add one youngish free agent big man in the next year or two (say, Biyombo or Steven Adams?)

Are you really willing to give up the Durant dream for that little or do we have enough to offer the max even with Gibson (and Porter presumably moving to the 2)?

We would still have room to offer Durant the max. We'd be paying Gibson $9.5M, but we're saving Beal's $14.4M cap hold.

[gambitx777]

I don't understand this obsession with Taj Gibson. Hes an under sized 4 who can't shoot 3's and he's 30. Yeah I guess if all we give up is beal then, sure why not. But still.

[nate33]

I don't understand this obsession with Taj Gibson. Hes an under sized 4 who can't shoot 3's and he's 30. Yeah I guess if all we give up is beal then, sure why not. But still.

The crux of this deal is Beal for Portis. The Gibson for Hump swap is to make the salaries work, and to give us a PF who can defend and who can start until Portis is ready.

I like the way this deal sets us up for the short and long term. If we can sign a youngish C like Biyombo with cap room, we'd have a nice frontcourt rotation with Gortat and Gibson as the vets, and Portis and Biyombo as the future. Gibson comes off the books in 2017, just when Oubre is ready to take over as full time SF and Porter has filled out to play some minutes at PF. A year-and-a-half from now, our rotation would look like this:

PG Wall/Sato
SG ???/???
SF Oubre/Porter
PF Portis/Porter
C Gortat/Biyombo

We would just need to find long term solutions at SG and backup SG. We'd have plenty of cap room to go after a guy like Founier or Gordon as the starter. And we could use our draft pick to find the backup.

[gambitx777]

I don't understand this obsession with Taj Gibson. Hes an under sized 4 who can't shoot 3's and he's 30. Yeah I guess if all we give up is beal then, sure why not. But still.

The crux of this deal is Beal for Portis. The Gibson for Hump swap is to make the salaries work, and to give us a PF who can defend and who can start until Portis is ready.

I like the way this deal sets us up for the short and long term. If we can sign a youngish C like Biyombo with cap room, we'd have a nice frontcourt rotation with Gortat and Gibson as the vets, and Portis and Biyombo as the future. Gibson comes off the books in 2017, just when Oubre is ready to take over as full time SF and Porter has filled out to play some minutes at PF. A year-and-a-half from now, our rotation would look like this:

PG Wall/Sato
SG ???/???
SF Oubre/Porter
PF Portis/Porter
C Gortat/Biyombo

We would just need to find long term solutions at SG and backup SG. We'd have plenty of cap room to go after a guy like Founier or Gordon as the starter. And we could use our draft pick to find the backup.

I understand the trade, I was making a comment about how every one wants gibson, and has for a while. But like you said with this trade we would till have the KD dream a float. and I mean sato can play the 2 and so can Kelly, maybe one of them can be our 2 guard?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wiz Griz trade idea:

Beal and Blair for Brandan Wright, Jordan Adams, 1st Round Pick

[SizzlinSimms]

I'm not ready to give up on Beal quite yet, unless it's for a player like possibly Okafor or even Nerlens Noel. But I'd rather try and package Neal, Nene, and likely a pick or another piece for an upgrade at PF or depth at C. Nothing special, but preferably a player that can shoot better from range than Humphries and is more athletic than Gooden III.

[nate33]

I'm not ready to give up on Beal quite yet, unless it's for a player like possibly Okafor or even Nerlens Noel. But I'd rather try and package Neal, Nene, and likely a pick or another piece for an upgrade at PF or depth at C. Nothing special, but preferably a player that can shoot better from range than Humphries and is more athletic than Gooden III.

Yeah, Neal isn't going to get you that player.

[SizzlinSimms]

I'm not ready to give up on Beal quite yet, unless it's for a player like possibly Okafor or even Nerlens Noel. But I'd rather try and package Neal, Nene, and likely a pick or another piece for an upgrade at PF or depth at C. Nothing special, but preferably a player that can shoot better from range than Humphries and is more athletic than Gooden III.

Yeah, Neal isn't going to get you that player.

Yeah I figured, but two expiring contracts to a non contender team could bait some poor team. Doubtful, but there has been worse trades.

[nate33]

I'm not ready to give up on Beal quite yet, unless it's for a player like possibly Okafor or even Nerlens Noel. But I'd rather try and package Neal, Nene, and likely a pick or another piece for an upgrade at PF or depth at C. Nothing special, but preferably a player that can shoot better from range than Humphries and is more athletic than Gooden III.

Yeah, Neal isn't going to get you that player.

Yeah I figured, but two expiring contracts to a non contender team could bait some poor team. Doubtful, but there has been worse trades.

Expiring contracts have no real trade value since there's about 25 teams who figure to have max cap room this summer due to the expansion of the salary cap.

[SizzlinSimms]

Yeah, Neal isn't going to get you that player.

Yeah I figured, but two expiring contracts to a non contender team could bait some poor team. Doubtful, but there has been worse trades.

Expiring contracts have no real trade value since there's about 25 teams who figure to have max cap room this summer due to the expansion of the salary cap.

Ah didn't know that. Thanks man. So I guess we likely play this out, miss out on KD in the FA, and then do something desperate. I still think we should push for Cousins, even though that would mean Beal, but I'd definitely do it.

[TGW]

I would absolutely move Beal, Nene, a pick, and even Porter to get that desperately needed power forward. We simply don't have a bigman worth a damn outside of Gortat that can be relied on night in and night out. I'm not sure who's really out there to get but I have no problem sacrificing Beal to get that player.

[AFM]

I'd cut Beal, who needs him? We got Jarell The SNIPER for cheap bawss

[nuposse04]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnWall/status/681027107384897536[/tweet]

Even though it is probably true this season, kinda amusing to see this topic addressed by Wall on twitter.

[nate33]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnWall/status/681027107384897536[/tweet]

Even though it is probably true this season, kinda amusing to see this topic addressed by Wall on twitter.

I like that the idea is being floated around in general. Anything to diminish the perception that Beal deserves a max contract.

[payitforward]

Oubre's tools are elite, he has the highest two-way potential of anyone on the Wizards roster.

He can potentially be our Leonard, and provide elite perimeter defense against the best scorers in the league.

For me, I'm pretty close to considering KO untouchable.

Nobody is "untouchable." John Wall isn't. It all depends on the deal available. But, I agree that I'd have no particular interest in trading Oubre.

That said, I don't think "Oubre's tools are elite" in the slightest. For one thing, he has zero right hand -- and I mean zero. But, his *athleticism* is elite, and he seems to be very smart and to be concentrating. I like him a lot.

Kawhi Leonard, however -- that's a big-time stretch as a comparison, at least at this point. Leonard played 2 years of college ball, and he played way more minutes as a Freshman than Kelly did. He came into the league a much better schooled player than Oubre, and he was absolutely terrific his rookie year -- much better out of the gate than Kelly has yet shown himself to be. He was an elite SF as a rookie! The only thing he didn't do as a rookie is shoot a lot.

He also averaged 24 minutes a game; Kelly's averaging 11, though of course that's going up lately, and I hope his minutes will continue to go up. I'd love him to become a star, you bet, but at this point comparing him to Leonard is dreaming -- a nice dream, but still....

Oubre's 3P shooting is elite--42%(so far). Will probably dip some, but he was a pretty decent shooter in college, 36%.
He's also a great rebounder for his position. 10 boards a game/40min in college.

I like him because he's flat out more aggressive than Porter or Beal, and he's only 19.

Good points. And rebounding translates well.

[nuposse04]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnWall/status/681027107384897536[/tweet]

Even though it is probably true this season, kinda amusing to see this topic addressed by Wall on twitter.

I like that the idea is being floated around in general. Anything to diminish the perception that Beal deserves a max contract.

If it can cheapen his contract, awesome.. More awesome if it lights a fire under Beal and he starts playing more Within himself and he starts being a net positive again on the floor. He needs to stop pounding the rock!

I just think, however logical trades like Jae Crowder plus avery for Beal sound.... Nothing like that is prolly gonna happen.