Why not Marcus at the 4?

[bjones521]

Instead of the Pistons trading for Markieff why not just start Marcus. I think this is something SVG needs to consider

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/position/power-forwards

Marcus for his career is a much better shooter and is actually only a half an inch shorter than Markeiff. Their games are very similar, Markeiff is slighter bigger and the better post player while Marcus is the better shooter. Markeiff for his career is not much of a rebounder nor a blocker like Marcus.

With BJ coming back, Stanley playing consistent and Ersan stinking maybe SVG should consider a smaller lineup with MM at he 4 and Stanley at the 3.

[Maker_84]

No thanks. Small teams don't do well in the long run

[A_dub06]

Because the general consensus is Marcus should predominantly play at the 3 splitting time at the 4. Playing him as the 4 means Ily goes to the bench, Stanley has to step up to a staring role and then we have no decent backup at the 3. Playing Ily and Marcus at the starting 3 and 4 spot respectively means we can have Johnson be the scorer of our second unit and Tolliver stretch the floor at the backup 4. So essentially there's greater balance across both units having Marcus and Ily start.

I completely agree it would be a stronger starting unit but without a viable backup 3 it makes no sense and there's no cheap decent 3 to be had that can fill that role. With the reoccurring issues in Phoenix, most believe Markieff can be had on the cheap and not only his contact incredibly cap friendly, he's also a good player.


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[Todd3]

Because the general consensus is Marcus should predominantly play at the 3 splitting time at the 4. Playing him as the 4 means Ily goes to the bench, Stanley has to step up to a staring role and then we have no decent backup at the 3. Playing Ily and Marcus at the starting 3 and 4 spot respectively means we can have Johnson be the scorer of our second unit and Tolliver stretch the floor at the backup 4. So essentially there's greater balance across both units having Marcus and Ily start.

I completely agree it would be a stronger starting unit but without a viable backup 3 it makes no sense and there's no cheap decent 3 to be had that can fill that role. With the reoccurring issues in Phoenix, most believe Markieff can be had on the cheap and not only his contact incredibly cap friendly, he's also a good player.


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Morris can still be the backup 3. He would just start at 4. Jennings will become the scorer off the bench.

[A_dub06]

What kind of split are you referring to then? I get that Johnson's minutes increase which Is preferable over bullock/Hilliard but currently as the teams designed they don't play. So it really means your decreasing Ily's minutes to slightly increase Johnson's and Hilliard or Bullocks. Completely agree with Johnson getting more burn but I disagree for balancing the teams units and overall success. Jennings and Meeks can't come back soon enough!


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[menten]

No thanks. Small teams don't do well in the long run

exactly. we all saw how terrible golden state was last year when they started the 6 foot 7 draymond green at center

[Todd3]

What kind of split are you referring to then? I get that Johnson's minutes increase which Is preferable over bullock/Hilliard but currently as the teams designed they don't play. So it really means your decreasing Ily's minutes to slightly increase Johnson's and Hilliard or Bullocks. Completely agree with Johnson getting more burn but I disagree for balancing the teams units and overall success. Jennings and Meeks can't come back soon enough!


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I'm thinking Morris 20 mpg at PF (AT/EI share the remaining 28 depending on who is playing better), SJ starts and plays 30 mpg at SF, then Morris plays 16 mpg as his backup.

That way Morris can start the first 6-7 min of each half at PF and still play the last 6-7 min of the 4th there to close out the game.

RJ (32)/BJ (20)
KCP (32)/Blake (14)
SJ (30)/MM (16)
MM (20)/EI-AT (28)
AD (36)/AB (12)

Stan needs to stop stalling and just play Jennings already. Game experience is more useful than practice. If he doesn't play well bench him, but at least try. This stubborn/conservative Stan is starting to remind me of Caldwell and it's getting annoying.

[Kilo]

He's a rotation 3/4 bench player on a legit contender.

[A_dub06]

What kind of split are you referring to then? I get that Johnson's minutes increase which Is preferable over bullock/Hilliard but currently as the teams designed they don't play. So it really means your decreasing Ily's minutes to slightly increase Johnson's and Hilliard or Bullocks. Completely agree with Johnson getting more burn but I disagree for balancing the teams units and overall success. Jennings and Meeks can't come back soon enough!


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I'm thinking Morris 20 mpg at PF (AT/EI share the remaining 28 depending on who is playing better), SJ starts and plays 30 mpg at SF, then Morris plays 16 mpg as his backup.

That way Morris can start the first 6-7 min of each half at PF and still play the last 6-7 min of the 4th there to close out the game.

RJ (32)/BJ (20)
KCP (32)/Blake (14)
SJ (30)/MM (16)
MM (20)/EI-AT (28)
AD (36)/AB (12)

Stan needs to stop stalling and just play Jennings already. Game experience is more useful than practice. If he doesn't play well bench him, but at least try. This stubborn/conservative Stan is starting to remind me of Caldwell and it's getting annoying.

Not trying to be a wanker but you have allocated 52 mins at the point guard position and Steve Blake at sg? As I've said before I whole heartedly agree it's time to increase Stanley's minutes regardless of how he's playing but in my opinion Marcus Morris shouldn't be playing 36 mins and Tolliver shouldn't see more than 6. This is why we need Morris to continue playing the 3, the rotations are just more balanced and as seen in our earlier games it's our bench that hurts us.

Whilst you have the superior starting lineup we need to remain consistent and it's been painful watching our starters show up and then get buried when the bench subs in.


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[Cowology]

I think that's the lineup we'll eventually see but Stanley needs to earn the starting spot and he's just recently started to play better.

[Todd3]

What kind of split are you referring to then? I get that Johnson's minutes increase which Is preferable over bullock/Hilliard but currently as the teams designed they don't play. So it really means your decreasing Ily's minutes to slightly increase Johnson's and Hilliard or Bullocks. Completely agree with Johnson getting more burn but I disagree for balancing the teams units and overall success. Jennings and Meeks can't come back soon enough!


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I'm thinking Morris 20 mpg at PF (AT/EI share the remaining 28 depending on who is playing better), SJ starts and plays 30 mpg at SF, then Morris plays 16 mpg as his backup.

That way Morris can start the first 6-7 min of each half at PF and still play the last 6-7 min of the 4th there to close out the game.

RJ (32)/BJ (20)
KCP (32)/Blake (14)
SJ (30)/MM (16)
MM (20)/EI-AT (28)
AD (36)/AB (12)

Stan needs to stop stalling and just play Jennings already. Game experience is more useful than practice. If he doesn't play well bench him, but at least try. This stubborn/conservative Stan is starting to remind me of Caldwell and it's getting annoying.

Not trying to be a wanker but you have allocated 52 mins at the point guard position and Steve Blake at sg? As I've said before I whole heartedly agree it's time to increase Stanley's minutes regardless of how he's playing but in my opinion Marcus Morris shouldn't be playing 36 mins and Tolliver shouldn't see more than 6. This is why we need Morris to continue playing the 3, the rotations are just more balanced and as seen in our earlier games it's our bench that hurts us.

Whilst you have the superior starting lineup we need to remain consistent and it's been painful watching our starters show up and then get buried when the bench subs in.


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yeah I miscalculated at the guard spots, but the point is to rotate all 4 approximately that much each. I think we need to keep Blake's 3pt shooting in the rotation and at 6-3 he can play some backup SG.

Marcus is playing 37 mpg now. If we are trying to reduce Ersan's minutes and not play Tolliver as much, you can't also reduce Marcus minutes. Someone has to play PF and right now he is our best option. He is one of the league leaders in +/- too so his big minutes are warranted.

I think BJ & Ersan could form a nice pick & pop duo with the 2nd unit. They have chemistry already from MIL too.

[Todd3]

I think that's the lineup we'll eventually see but Stanley needs to earn the starting spot and he's just recently started to play better.

Over the last month from 11/27 - 12/27 (16 games)

Ersan: 42% FG, 29% 3FG, 70% FT, 101 drtg

Stanley: 41% FG, 46% 3FG, 82% FT, 101 drtg

For a player whose main job is to make 3s, Stanley has been outplaying him soundly for the last month. If he still has to do more to earn a starting spot, what is Ersan doing to earn his?

I think it's time to start him now.

[coordinator0]

I think Detroit needs another guard in the rotation before Stanley can start at small forward. Morris could slide over to the three with Ilyasova or Tolliver coming off the bench but there isn't anybody worth bringing in for Caldwell-Pope in that scenario. When Meeks comes back I think we'll see that lineup a lot more. Jennings too but only when Jackson slides over to shooting guard for a bit.

[bjones521]

I agree I think we need another backup 3 before starting Stanley but I dont think we lose anything defensively with starting MM like others suggested. Ersan struggles against guarding all PF's it seems. He is too slow to guard PF's like Milsap, Bosh, Sully ect and too frail to guard Boogie, Blake and Nene.

[Timmaytime]

No thanks. Small teams don't do well in the long run

have you watched basketball in the last year and a half

[coordinator0]

I agree I think we need another backup 3 before starting Stanley but I dont think we lose anything defensively with starting MM like others suggested. Ersan struggles against guarding all PF's it seems. He is too slow to guard PF's like Milsap, Bosh, Sully ect and too frail to guard Boogie, Blake and Nene.

Yeah I think the defense would be a lot better with more of Morris at the 4 and Johnson at the 3. Each is a better defender than the guy they would be replacing at those positions (although Marcus hasn't been as bad defensively as expected). Just don't have the wing depth on the bench to do it right now.

[Spider156]

I've been saying this since before the season started. It just took Jennings to come back and Stanley to earn the starting position. I think he's gotten the hang of it and just needs a bigger role. I don't think it's any less than what Ily is producing. However, Jennings needs to come back first to get another scorer on the bench. Meeks is a luxury. This hasn't happened yet. I'm fine with losing the last two games if it makes SVG activate Jennings. He could've possibly saved these two games. It would've been the Boston game. So these are the games you have to win to make the Playoffs.