2016 Draft

[MrMiyagi]

Hey, I didn't know they had power draft rankings at this site. We're 5th! http://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings

I would like everyone to look at where the Lakers are. There is a good reason for trading that pick, and that's why.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If Simmons wasn't in this draft, it'd probably be the worst of all time.

[blacksun]

I know nothing about the guy apart from a couple of youtube highlights, but i wonder why people arent talkiing about Brandon Ingram much?

[bwgood77]

I know nothing about the guy apart from a couple of youtube highlights, but i wonder why people arent talkiing about Brandon Ingram much?

Well there usually isn't a ton of draft talk early unless there is a high school phenom like Wiggins or Simmons, at least not until the spring and March Madness, and around here it's probably also because we are loaded at guards. He is #2 on DraftExpress though.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Interesting stat - Simmons averages less FG attempts (per whatever time) than 6 of our current players.

That's the only query on him, whether he's a natural scorer / shooter.

[rsavaj]

Any chance we could get into top 3 lotto-ball position? If you can come away with Bender or Simmons(obvi) then I think the season's not a complete wash.

[bwgood77]

Any chance we could get into top 3 lotto-ball position? If you can come away with Bender or Simmons(obvi) then I think the season's not a complete wash.

As things stand currently,yes there is an ok chance (over 20%) and that should get better.

If we don't get Simmons, I was mostly all over Dragan Bender, and hadn't really looked at Brandon Ingram's profile since he was listed as a guard, but he is listed on espn at 6'9 and on draft express without shoes at 6'8, and seems like, in today's nba, he could be a Draymond Green type at PF....he seems to be a pretty good 3 pt shooter and rebounder, and great with blocks and steals and just a smart player.

Suddenly maybe my hope is to get him, though I guess I should see how the college season plays out. But check out his last five games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3913176/brandon-ingram

[Grots]

an advanced stats dude who focuses on the draft about Dragan:

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[No-Man]

in today's nba, he could be a Draymond Green type at PF

not a chance, you need to see him play, he is rail thin and is clearly a perimeter player.

[bwgood77]

in today's nba, he could be a Draymond Green type at PF

not a chance, you need to see him play, he is rail thin and is clearly a perimeter player.

I didn't mean as good, but that he could be on the perimeter as a PF in time. He's only played a handful of college games too, and I'm not sure if Draymond was better in his first 10-12 games in college and he took some time to develop too, so you have to compare them at their respective points in career. I was a lot more thin at the end of HS, yet 5 years later I was a physical behemoth.

[No-Man]

Draymond has always been a post player, back in HS, at MSU and during his NBA career, never played as a perimeter player, he is a big.
Ingram is a SF, but if he had to change position he is much more suited to play the SG than the PF position.
Again, you need to watch him play, because it is crystal clear when you see how he moves.
Draymond was always big, he was probably arond 260lbs his freshmen year.

[bwgood77]

Draymond has always been a post player, back in HS, at MSU and during his NBA career, never played as a perimeter player, he is a big.
Ingram is a SF, but if he had to change position he is much more suited to play the SG than the PF position.
Again, you need to watch him play, because it is crystal clear when you see how he moves.
Draymond was always big, he was probably arond 260lbs his freshmen year.

Well, I didn't mean Ingram could be a post player, more that he could potentially play that stretch 4. But we probably couldn't realistically make a comparison to Green's play today for 7 or 8 years. Green was a a four year college player who averaged 3.3 pg as a freshman. I think Ingram is better as a college player as a freshman than Green was at that time. Do you disagree?

And Green only averaged 2.9 ppg as a rookie in the nba, and 6.2 in his second year.

I think Ingram gaining weight and being that versatile player that Green his who can make 3s, guard the perimeter, rebound, get some assists could be the kind of player he can become. Sure he may never quite be the rebounder and probably never the post player, but better in other areas like shooting 3s. He' also got a really long wingspan.

But yes, I'll have to watch him play more.

[saintEscaton]

Its still within the realm of possibility for Ingram to go ahead of Simmons. As much as the media hype would like you to believe there isn't a unanimous #1 in this draft and Simmons is not a generational talent. His shooting form is an eyesore does not posses a reliable jumper and doesn't have much range to his offensive game.He's an elite rebounder but plays suspect defense. I think his ceiling isn't LBJ but a point forward hybrid between smaller/less powerful Blake Griffin and a more athletic Lamar Odom. I don't see him as an NBA PF and worst case scenario he turns out to be Evan Turner.

[bwgood77]

Its still within the realm of possibility for Ingram to go ahead of Simmons. As much as the media hype would like you to believe there isn't a unanimous #1 in this draft and Simmons is not a generational talent. His shooting form is an eyesore does not posses a reliable jumper and doesn't have much range to his offensive game.He's an elite rebounder but plays suspect defense. I think his ceiling isn't LBJ but a point forward hybrid between smaller/shorter wingspan Blake Griffin and a more athletic Lamar Odom. I don't see him as an NBA PF and worst case scenario he turns out to be Evan Turner.

Yeah, my biggest fear with him is that he can't shoot. I'm guessing that will come with time. He's so elite in all other aspects though but he will NEED to be surrounded by shooters for success, at least until he can shoot. Although if he ends up on the Lakers I guess I hope he never learns to shoot. I pray that if the Suns don't end up with either of those guys or Bender, that they all go to the east. It's worked out well recently for the most part that most high picks have gone east until Minnesota got Towns of course after trading for Wiggins. But of course the last surefire #1 pick prior to that was AD, and he came west too. It's tough for the Suns when every western team just about, but us, has a star. Not saying there is any easy path to getting one though, as Philly has been trying, and it's usually teams that have tried to be good end up luckily getting them like the Pelicans and TWolves.

[No-Man]

I think Ingram is better as a college player as a freshman than Green was at that time. Do you disagree?

how this matters in term of comparing the two? especially when we are talking about style of play
they are not similar at all, if Ingram plays the PF in some lineups in the future he will be a stretch four, not a enforcer, Draymond is a big through and through, when he changes he plays the C, not the SF, he is not a combo forward, he is a versatile big.
Green strenghts are been able to switch onto defending both in the perimeter and the post, there is no chance, 0 that Ingram becomes a post defender against NBA bigs at any point of his career.

Ingram is comparable in some things to Durant, Prince, Kawhi, Giannis etc..., not to Dray.
If you want to check bigs similar to Dray, go to CSwanigan or Robert Carter Jr.

[bwgood77]

I think Ingram is better as a college player as a freshman than Green was at that time. Do you disagree?

how this matters in term of comparing the two? especially when we are talking about style of play
they are not similar at all, if Ingram plays the PF in some lineups in the future he will be a stretch four, not a enforcer, Draymond is a big through and through, when he changes he plays the C, not the SF, he is not a combo forward, he is a versatile big.
Green strenghts are been able to switch onto defending both in the perimeter and the post, there is no chance, 0 that Ingram becomes a post defender against NBA bigs at any point of his career.

Ingram is comparable in some things to Durant, Prince, Kawhi, Giannis etc..., not to Dray.
If you want to check bigs similar to Dray, go to CSwanigan or Robert Carter Jr.

Oh, yeah, I should have made the comparison more to those guys, because I meant more in the sense could guard perimeter players, is bigger, and can hit the 3, yet also get boards and assists.

[bwgood77]

Hey, I didn't know they had power draft rankings at this site. We're 5th! http://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings

I would like everyone to look at where the Lakers are. There is a good reason for trading that pick, and that's why.

I figured there would be a good chance they'd keep the pick and we'd get it next year in a better draft, and that's it's unlikely they'd be much more improved, even if they do get someone like Simmons (It's not like Durant instantly as a rookie took the team further than getting the 4th pick and Westbrook the next year, which could have been the type of pick we got next year from them).

But even if they stick to the second worst, record, as you can see by those odds, they still have only a 56% chance of staying in the top 3, so a little better than a coin flip to stay where they are or only drop down one.

I'm still not totally against the Knight trade, but I probably would have rather kept the pick. McD is much better at making draft picks than putting together a competitive roster. The two players with the biggest impact on the only good team in the past three years were guys he inherited and got rid of (not saying he shouldn't have let them go, but pretty much all the additions haven't led to much of anything). I'm not saying a bunch of young guys should have led the team to the playoffs, and the expectations were too high, but the roster has been far from perfect IF making the playoffs was a priority.

[DRK]

Jaylen Brown is an absolute beast. He attacks the rim with such ferosity, and looks freakishly athletic.

He would be great here if we didnt have Warren.

My Top 5 at the moment is
Simmons
Skal (I think hes being slept on)
Brown
Ingram
Bender

[rsavaj]

tankathon.com is my favorite website now

[Chuck Everett]

Skal was great in the Hoop Summit, but he has struggled in college basketball this year. He needs to get a lot stronger, especially in his lower body. He's very easy to root out in the paint due to his (lack of) leg/quad strength.